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USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 12:30 PM Apr 2019

The plot just thickened on William Barr and the Mueller report

The message from Mueller’s team, whether deliberate, seems to be: Stay tuned, and be wary of Attorney General William Barr

For the entirety of its probe, special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s team has been leakproof. When we learned things about its Russia investigation, it was almost always through people who found themselves mixed up in it. Mueller lived up to his by-the-book reputation.

Which makes what we saw Wednesday night all the more notable. The New York Times broke, then The Washington Post matched, the news that investigators on Mueller’s team were grousing about how Attorney General William P. Barr has handled summarizing their report.

Even if the leaks weren’t deliberate — the Times initially reported this secondhand as the Mueller team complaining to associates, not them — the fact that the investigators are complaining enough that this would leak is significant. It suggests a serious level of dissatisfaction and concern, if not a concerted effort to send a message before Barr’s big reveal of the Mueller report this month. These investigators may feel liberated to vent now that the probe is over (and some of them have even left the Justice Department), but you have to think this represents a very serious level of concern about Barr’s conduct, rather than just a few offhand comments.

More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/04/plot-just-thickened-mueller-report
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The plot just thickened on William Barr and the Mueller report (Original Post) USALiberal Apr 2019 OP
April 2 was the deadline for handing over the report to the Judiciary Committee. Tactical Peek Apr 2019 #1
Where are the subpoenas? Perseus Apr 2019 #19
They just voted yesterday and gave Nadler the power to subpoena. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #21
Are they leaks or is this the next step? Marthe48 Apr 2019 #2
So, did Mueller set a trap? Reader Rabbit Apr 2019 #3
Many of these people no longer work for Mueller marylandblue Apr 2019 #7
Not really onenote Apr 2019 #24
I've read different legal opinions on that. marylandblue Apr 2019 #27
Congress does not have the right to see grand jury testimony unless the supervising court allows it. onenote Apr 2019 #30
To paraphrase the movie Wayne's World: Initech Apr 2019 #4
I saw that movie 3 times. Thank you for Ilsa Apr 2019 #8
I just watched it the other day, it still holds up pretty well! Initech Apr 2019 #15
Barr is whitewashing the Mueller report. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #5
So true! Nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #20
That would be remarkable quakerboy Apr 2019 #34
I like that someone said last night, that if it goes Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #6
I'll wait until we hear complaints from the horse's mouth, Mr. Mueller. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #9
Suspect they're genuine. These people Hortensis Apr 2019 #16
The USA under attack by the Republicans, I mean, Russians ffr Apr 2019 #10
Russians/REpublicans...no difference. Amaryllis Apr 2019 #32
The Barr Report may be this Administration's final obstruction of justice. Marcuse Apr 2019 #11
That's a nice thought. Harker Apr 2019 #13
AG John Mitchell True Blue American Apr 2019 #35
I hope so! Nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #23
gee, thanks for the message ProfessorPlum Apr 2019 #12
Maybe they hoped he would do the right thing. Nt USALiberal Apr 2019 #14
Giving them rope to hang themselves Hortensis Apr 2019 #22
Mueller wrote summaries Linda Ed Apr 2019 #17
Just a matter of time before Barr realizes duforsure Apr 2019 #18
What would Barr be going to prison for doing? onenote Apr 2019 #25
Obstruction True Blue American Apr 2019 #36
Barr is following the shitty rules. dem4decades Apr 2019 #28
I think allowing the grousing to get out was a deliberate shot across the bow for Barr and Trump... Perrenial Voter Apr 2019 #26
You know what would be entertaining? matt819 Apr 2019 #29
This saga has more plot thickening than any fiction story ever written. Amaryllis Apr 2019 #31
Barr is a disgrace. Nt BootinUp Apr 2019 #33
I received my huge True Blue American Apr 2019 #37
Barr* is a rethuglican fixer, plain and simple... Raster Apr 2019 #38

Tactical Peek

(1,210 posts)
1. April 2 was the deadline for handing over the report to the Judiciary Committee.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:05 PM
Apr 2019


April 2 was the deadline for handing over the report to the Judiciary Committee.

April 3 was the first leak from Mueller's team in two years.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. Where are the subpoenas?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:56 PM
Apr 2019

I don't see them...Democrats threatened to send subpoenas if Barr did not comply with the April 2, 2019 deadline to hand the Muller report. They need to follow up on their word.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
21. They just voted yesterday and gave Nadler the power to subpoena.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:02 PM
Apr 2019

THE SUBPOENA WAR IS ON FOR THE MUELLER REPORT — AND IT’S GETTING UGLY

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qvy7xp/the-subpoena-war-is-on-for-the-mueller-report-and-its-getting-ugly

The subpoena war is on for the Mueller report — and it’s getting ugly
By Matt Laslo Apr 4, 2019

WASHINGTON — The subpoena war is now on in Washington – and it promises to test the bounds of the separation of powers that are the hallmark of the U.S. Constitution.

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee voted Wednesday to give committee chair Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) the power to subpoena Attorney General William Barr to gain access to the entire report that Robert Mueller sent to the Justice Department late last month.

While Nadler can drop that subpoena at any moment, publicly he’s hoping the mere threat of legal action will compel Barr — and others — to be forthright with the committee. "If that doesn’t work out, in a very short order, we’ll issue the subpoenas," Nadler said.

The Judiciary Committee also approved subpoenas for a coterie of Trump administration has-beens, including former chief of staff Reince Priebus, former adviser Steve Bannon, former communications director Hope Hicks and former White House counsel Don McGahn (along with his former deputy Ann Donaldson).

Marthe48

(16,982 posts)
2. Are they leaks or is this the next step?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:10 PM
Apr 2019

I heard or heard that maybe Mueller's team waited for the first missed deadline (April 2) to break their silence. I hope the entire unredacted report is released by whatever method, by whatever hero to the public. When they other side is ignoring the rule of law, the guidelines laid out in the law, to deconstruct our country, they need to be called on it. I'm tired of the pussyfooting around, supposing this, speculating that. The information to move forward on removing the criminals from their bogus positions is there. Let's get going.

Reader Rabbit

(2,624 posts)
3. So, did Mueller set a trap?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:13 PM
Apr 2019

He lays low once he hands the report over in order to see how it is dealt with by the crime family. They take steps to hide and/or misrepresent the report, and now those aiding and abetting the crime family are also in a position to face consequences.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
7. Many of these people no longer work for Mueller
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:19 PM
Apr 2019

So he may have nothing to do with it. His staff are free agents now, so they can leak or call Congress on their own. As long as they don't reveal classified info or compromise an ongoing investigation, they can say what they want.

If they go the House Intelligence Committee, they can say everything.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
24. Not really
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:03 PM
Apr 2019

While the members of the House Intelligence Committee likely have clearance to receive classified information, they have no more right to secret grand jury testimony than anyone else. To what extent disclosure of grand jury testimony is allowed (and when) will be up to the supervising court.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
27. I've read different legal opinions on that.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:20 PM
Apr 2019

Some said Congress has a right to see grand jury information privately. I don't know if that's right, but I think at least they could comment on report conclusions without revealing grand jury information.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
30. Congress does not have the right to see grand jury testimony unless the supervising court allows it.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:41 PM
Apr 2019

There have been (and are currently) a number of court cases on this issue.

Initech

(100,087 posts)
4. To paraphrase the movie Wayne's World:
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:15 PM
Apr 2019

"William Barr is nobody's friend. If William Barr were an ice cream flavor, he'd be Pralines And Dick."

Initech

(100,087 posts)
15. I just watched it the other day, it still holds up pretty well!
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:23 PM
Apr 2019

That scene with Alice Cooper always gets me!

Lonestarblue

(10,028 posts)
5. Barr is whitewashing the Mueller report.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:15 PM
Apr 2019

He has already forgotten that the oath he swore so recently was to protect the people and the Constitution of the United States—not to serve as the president’s personal attorney and political protector.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
34. That would be remarkable
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 12:28 AM
Apr 2019

Barring serious memory issues, it would be hard to forget something you were specifically hired to subvert so quickly

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. I like that someone said last night, that if it goes
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:17 PM
Apr 2019

to court...Trump's own words..."sure, release it all!" will come back to haunt him. Something like it's not the AG who is harmed or unharmed but the president and he has no problem with it. Sorry for the non-legal explanation.

I am not getting my hopes up. He only gained one point in approvals. So this is worse case.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
9. I'll wait until we hear complaints from the horse's mouth, Mr. Mueller.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:33 PM
Apr 2019

Until then, all this secondhand information isn't that useful. If it's even real. It's also possible it was team members responding to complaint by associates to them about WTH?...why no decisions or indictments or anything...why punt to the administration? It's possible the team members are trying to deflect for the unhappiness with the Special Counsel team's decisions. As in, "Hey, we had no idea that Barr would totally leave out what we DID find, all the evidence we reviewed that implicates people. We even provided a summary for Barr to use."

But of course, when you're dealing with a corrupt administration, punting to the administration means that it's likely it won't do the right thing. Everyone knows it. So there can be no deflection on Barr's summary misrepresenting the facts. The administration is corrupt, as the Special Counsel's office knows, and Barr is on record as being against the whole investigation, and is a partisan appointee appointed by one of the subjects of the investigation. Of COURSE Barr was never going to provide a full, balanced, summary.

I respect the Special Counsel's office, and accept its decisions not to take any action against the Trump family members or others for conspiracy or aiding/abetting or against Trump for obstruction. But I don't know what to think about these leaked tidbits, told secondhand to the NYT. So I'll wait for Mueller's testimony before Congress. Even if he testifies behind closed doors, our Democratic reps can tell us what's what, without classified details.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Suspect they're genuine. These people
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:32 PM
Apr 2019

Know how to keep their mouths shut, and their friends know it well. One day after deadline, sea change.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
10. The USA under attack by the Republicans, I mean, Russians
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 01:37 PM
Apr 2019

Definitely warrants raising the bar on the seriousness.

Harker

(14,028 posts)
13. That's a nice thought.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:15 PM
Apr 2019

I'm sadly thinking the obstruction will continue ad infinitum. It's already past ad nauseam.

ProfessorPlum

(11,258 posts)
12. gee, thanks for the message
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:11 PM
Apr 2019

everyone with a pulse and access to history knew to be wary of Barr.

Why did they let him run wild for two weeks before opening their mouths?

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
17. Mueller wrote summaries
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:33 PM
Apr 2019

for different sections of the report so that Barr could immediately release them publicly, with minimum redactions so that “the work would have spoken for itself,” a U.S. official told WaPo. Barr did not release the summaries.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
18. Just a matter of time before Barr realizes
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 02:40 PM
Apr 2019

He picked the wrong side to represent , and he's maybe headed to prison with many others . He will be corrupted even more representing trump, because he'll keep demanding he protect him and many others , and to do illegal things . Barr's future will be a disaster for him from doing this to the country , the American people , and to the rule of law, and OUR Democracy.

 

Perrenial Voter

(173 posts)
26. I think allowing the grousing to get out was a deliberate shot across the bow for Barr and Trump...
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:07 PM
Apr 2019

They didn't technically leak any information, so they can't be held accountable. But they show that they could leak things, as Comey did, for strategic reasons.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
37. I received my huge
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:09 AM
Apr 2019

Official Invitation to be a Founding Member of the Donald trump Coalition yesterday! Anyone else get one? The more money I give the higher I will be in this WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION!

Raster

(20,998 posts)
38. Barr* is a rethuglican fixer, plain and simple...
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:18 AM
Apr 2019

...and has been involved --sometimes quietly, sometimes prominently-- in cleaning up the illegal actions and other NASTY BITS for the last four rethuglican* administrations.

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