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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:50 PM Apr 2019

Found on Facebook: "Watch how a republic dies"

"In my life, I have watched John Kennedy talk on television about missiles in Cuba. I saw Lyndon Johnson look Richard Russell squarely in the eye and and say, "And we shall overcome." I saw Richard Nixon resign and Gerald Ford tell the Congress that our long national nightmare was over. I saw Jimmy Carter talk about malaise and Ronald Reagan talk about a shining city on a hill. I saw George H.W. Bush deliver the eulogy for the Soviet bloc, and Bill Clinton comfort the survivors of Timothy McVeigh's madness in Oklahoma City. I saw George W. Bush struggle to make sense of it all on September 11, 2001, and I saw Barack Obama sing 'Amazing Grace' in the wounded sanctuary of Mother Emanuel Church in Charleston, South Carolina.

"These were the presidents of my lifetime. These were not perfect men. They were not perfect presidents, god knows. Not one of them was that. But they approached the job, and they took to the podium, with all the gravitas they could muster as appropriate to the job. They tried, at least, to reach for something in the presidency that was beyond their grasp as ordinary human beings. They were not all ennobled by the attempt, but they tried nonetheless.

"And comes now this hopeless, vicious buffoon, and the audience of equally hopeless and vicious buffoons who laughed and cheered when he made sport of a woman whose lasting memory of the trauma she suffered is the laughter of the perpetrators. Now he comes, a man swathed in scandal, with no interest beyond what he can put in his pocket and what he can put over on a universe of suckers, and he does something like this while occupying an office that we gave him, and while endowed with a public trust that he dishonors every day he wakes up in the White House.

"The scion of a multigenerational criminal enterprise, the parameters of which we are only now beginning to comprehend. A vessel for all the worst elements of the American condition. And a cheap, soulless bully besides. We never have had such a cheap counterfeit of a president* as currently occupies the office. We never have had a president* so completely deserving of scorn and yet so small in the office that it almost seems a waste of time and energy to summon up the requisite contempt.

"Watch how a republic dies in the empty eyes of an empty man who feels nothing but his own imaginary greatness, and who cannot find in himself the decency simply to shut up even when it is in his best interest to do so. Presidents don't have to be heroes to be good presidents. They just have to realize that their humanity is our common humanity, and that their political commonwealth is our political commonwealth, too.

Watch him behind the seal of the President of the United States. Isn't he a funny man? Isn't what happened to that lady hilarious? Watch the assembled morons cheer. This is the only story now."

- Charles Pierce

-Posted by a friend, reposted by permission.

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Found on Facebook: "Watch how a republic dies" (Original Post) Stonepounder Apr 2019 OP
WOW 😲 secondwind Apr 2019 #1
Watch how the North American continent balkanizes. roamer65 Apr 2019 #2
I have been predicting this for years jg10003 Apr 2019 #6
New England and NY will join the Canadian confederation. roamer65 Apr 2019 #7
I'm in Michigan. llmart Apr 2019 #11
I'd love it! bif Apr 2019 #13
Some variations on that Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #19
What have you got against Alberta ? Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #22
You might as well rename New Christendom. Ilsa Apr 2019 #15
There is no way that.... cannabis_flower Apr 2019 #23
K&R a thousand times. Eko Apr 2019 #3
My problem is that I don't want the republic to die. PatrickforO Apr 2019 #4
666kook brothers666 and the rest of the oligarchy not fooled Apr 2019 #5
yes, trumputin is just their most destructive tool so far Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2019 #8
K&R. nt DLevine Apr 2019 #9
Amazing! Delphinus Apr 2019 #10
This is one of the best things he's written. llmart Apr 2019 #12
Very well said, with one quibble Martin Eden Apr 2019 #14
All the good people in the country were busy worrying about being nice to the bad ones FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #16
They got a big hurt when Hillary called some of his supporters "deplorables" cannabis_flower Apr 2019 #24
Only two kinds of trump voters ... Whiskeytide Apr 2019 #25
He likes Trump more than I do Poiuyt Apr 2019 #17
Don't look at me, I spent all of 2015-16 trying to warn folks Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #18
..."occupying an office that we gave him"... SergeStorms Apr 2019 #20
Damn! I'd have to move. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #21

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
2. Watch how the North American continent balkanizes.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:59 PM
Apr 2019

In 10 years, many of us will be flying different flags on our lawn flagpoles.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
7. New England and NY will join the Canadian confederation.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 01:11 AM
Apr 2019

Michigan would soon follow suit.

Being a province in the Canadian confederation would remove much of the straight jacket that these states now have under the US republic.

Canadian provinces can run deficits, for example.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
15. You might as well rename New Christendom.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 01:53 PM
Apr 2019

It'll be "Trumpland" based on these flags I've seen here in the south:



cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
23. There is no way that....
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:38 PM
Apr 2019

Houston, Dallas, Austin and San Antonio will be part of New Christendom. They will be islands in New Christendom. Sort of like the Republic of South Florida.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
4. My problem is that I don't want the republic to die.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:31 AM
Apr 2019

This isn't a perfect country any more than the presidents Pierce mentions were perfect.

We have a long way to go in so many way.

But under Trump we are so going the wrong direction. He is an evil man, evil on so many levels.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
5. 666kook brothers666 and the rest of the oligarchy
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 01:01 AM
Apr 2019

are responsible for this. They set in motion the forces to destroy our government and civic discourse for their private benefit.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
8. yes, trumputin is just their most destructive tool so far
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 03:08 AM
Apr 2019

The Republicans have fed and nurtured a class of greedy sociopaths for decades. That oligarchy has no loyalty to our Constitution and cares for the general population only so far as it can be exploited for their gain -- in power or possessions.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
14. Very well said, with one quibble
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 01:46 PM
Apr 2019

GW Bush inflicted more harm than Trump has, so far. He belongs in prison for war crimes.

But I understand the target here is Trump, not Bush. Ranting about the war based on lies would have detracted from that.


Personally, I will never forget nor forgive. The normalization of GW Bush as a respected former president is worse than nails on a blackboard for me.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
16. All the good people in the country were busy worrying about being nice to the bad ones
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 03:01 PM
Apr 2019

When they should have been concerned with protecting the disadvantaged ones.

We picked our side and it was "the kids whose mothers are proud of their manners."

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
24. They got a big hurt when Hillary called some of his supporters "deplorables"
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:47 PM
Apr 2019

Well, some of the are deplorables. I've always said that there are several types of Trump voters. There were stupid people. There were Hillary haters. There are those that voted for him because he was a businessman or because he was an outsider who said he was going to clean up the swamp. I'm sure there were even people who genuinely believed that he would be a better president than Hillary.

And then there were the "deplorables". People who are racists and like that Donald Trump "tells it like it is". He allowed them to be proud to be racists. The media could have done a better job of acknowledging that some of Donald Trump's supporters were deplorable.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
25. Only two kinds of trump voters ...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:08 PM
Apr 2019

... stupid people and assholes. You can place any of the people you describe in to one or the other.

If you voted for trump because it benefited you financially, you’re an asshole for sacrificing the democracy and the welfare of other Americans for a few shekels.

If you voted for him to inflict pain on minorities and immigrants, you’re clearly an asshole.

If you voted for him because you thought he brought new or good ideas to the job as a businessman, outsider or swamp detergent, you’re too stupid to vote, and probably need to wear a helmet.

The thing about trump is that he never pretended to be anything other than what he is - a raging, bullying, narcissistic, racist, lawless, grifting, predatory, fascist, man baby bent on destroying our democracy, undermining the rule of law and reshaping the foundations of our country to plunder the treasury and neuter the regulatory functions of the government. HE OPENLY RAN ON THAT PLATFORM!

His voters either wanted that, or they were too stupid to see what was plainly in front of them. There’s really no in between.


Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. Don't look at me, I spent all of 2015-16 trying to warn folks
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 04:21 PM
Apr 2019

But Hillary had an e-mail something or other, I'm told...

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
20. ..."occupying an office that we gave him"...
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 06:50 PM
Apr 2019

No. He occupies an office which the Russians gave him. "WE" didn't give him jack shit!

I keep trying to hammer this home, that he is - and will always remain - an illegitimate President of the United States. He won nothing by himself.

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