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Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 07:13 AM Apr 2019

I might need some "talking off of the edge", here.

For trump*, the only thing that really matters is trump*, and I'm willing to bet that he's desperate to wrestle more support his way. This whole dismantling of the Department of Homeland Security activity points to one thing: he's setting us up for something catastrophic event, counting on the national fear and outrage will work in his favor. Hey, it worked for Bush. But, at least Bush didn't have a policy of playing cozy with despots while alienating leaders of democracies.

There really isn't ANYTHING I'd put past this guy and his bevy of greed fascists and I'm starting to get really, really nervous.

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I might need some "talking off of the edge", here. (Original Post) Siwsan Apr 2019 OP
Correct and it's only possible because Republicans are complicit sharedvalues Apr 2019 #1
Wish I could....but I too need some "Talking off of the ledge" here.... Pachamama Apr 2019 #2
Exactly, DHS does more than secure the border, watoos Apr 2019 #8
And we should be concerned PatSeg Apr 2019 #25
It worked for Hitler bluecollar2 Apr 2019 #3
Can you imagine if something like a 9/11 happened now? This bunch is so incompetent and corrupt Vinca Apr 2019 #4
And the closer we get to November 2020, the more nervous I'm going to feel Siwsan Apr 2019 #6
I'm not sure the puppeteers are that incompetent. erronis Apr 2019 #22
Been on this particular ledge or a long time. Zoonart Apr 2019 #5
This. Ani Yun Wiya Apr 2019 #12
Yep. Zoonart Apr 2019 #14
We need a place that's safe... N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 2019 #7
I wonder how many Scarsdale Apr 2019 #9
This is tRump's immigration obsession, not an opening of a door for an invasion or such. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #10
Total proof of rebirth WhiteTara Apr 2019 #28
And he's probably taking instructions from Putin BSdetect Apr 2019 #11
You might want to re-think this New Hampshire Man Apr 2019 #13
Are you referring to Dick Cheney? Siwsan Apr 2019 #15
Yeah, my thought, too... Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #19
Still not as scary as the Toxic Confederacy of Despots trump* is chums with Siwsan Apr 2019 #23
That's what immediately sprang to my mind also. Possible Bush family ties to Nazi Germany. erronis Apr 2019 #24
I'm disappointed as hell that Americans are eating this shit up. world wide wally Apr 2019 #16
Even if we manage to win Congress and the White House - there's a packed judiciary Siwsan Apr 2019 #17
You can say that again WW Wally. Grammy23 Apr 2019 #18
The Republican Party fully supports Trump. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #21
It's the reality we are faced with. Best to regain emotional & psysical srength to defeat GOPers. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #20
It's best to try and remain positive about 2020. Flaleftist Apr 2019 #26
+1 happybird Apr 2019 #27

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
2. Wish I could....but I too need some "Talking off of the ledge" here....
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 07:23 AM
Apr 2019

I agree that this whole dismantling and destabilizing of our Government in general has been worrisome for the last two years with the only peace of mind I had was in November when the Democrats took back Congress.

But the dismantling in the last 72 hours of the Dept of Homeland Security has me really unnerved and I can also only conclude that he and his ilk are setting up the US for a catastrophic security event.

We should all be nervous.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
8. Exactly, DHS does more than secure the border,
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:34 AM
Apr 2019

it works with our cyber security, it keeps the bad guys from hacking our power grid or other infrastructure or military installations or anything that is computerized. DHS protects us from hackers and the dismantling of the agency by Trump puts out a welcome mat to our enemies.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
25. And we should be concerned
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:21 AM
Apr 2019

about what we aren't seeing as well. I have a feeling it is much worse behind the scenes than in the front.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
4. Can you imagine if something like a 9/11 happened now? This bunch is so incompetent and corrupt
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 07:54 AM
Apr 2019

they would probably blame the Mexicans and anyone else who is brown and south of the border. Especially if the real perpetrators were funding the Trump and Kushner companies. And to think the nut has nukes . . . (Sorry - that didn't help, did it? LOL.)

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
6. And the closer we get to November 2020, the more nervous I'm going to feel
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:10 AM
Apr 2019

And if some serious GOP primary contenders toss their proverbial hats into the ring - that's when we will really see a textbook example of unhinged behavior.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
22. I'm not sure the puppeteers are that incompetent.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:04 AM
Apr 2019

And it wouldn't bother some of them to have the puppets go down at the same time the country is destroyed. All's fair in love bro, and war.

Sorry - that didn't help my POV either.

Zoonart

(11,869 posts)
5. Been on this particular ledge or a long time.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:10 AM
Apr 2019

Sorry I can't help you off. My advice is to keep your back against the wall and don't look down.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,734 posts)
7. We need a place that's safe...
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:26 AM
Apr 2019

So we can rant, scream, yell spit-filled epithets at cancer causing windmills, fantasize about the several ways politicians have been “handled” in the past happening today and just generally be able to get it all out and not get into any trouble with anyone.

Don’t think it could be online though...think I’ll run out into the forest and start screaming to get out the burning anger...kneel down and cry like a frightened child with the memories of my friends and close buddies that gave their all thinking their sacrifice would keep our country safe from dangers such as we are seeing destroy it today...then honor that sacrifice working hard to clean out the russian cesspool that invaded the seat of our government.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
9. I wonder how many
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:40 AM
Apr 2019

Chinese spies have already visited this country? The one discovered at Mar-A-Lago surely is one of many. Not all terrorists try to cross the border. Many of them fly in and roam freely. Of course if they are Russian or Asian this administration sees no problem as long as they bring MONEY.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
10. This is tRump's immigration obsession, not an opening of a door for an invasion or such.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:45 AM
Apr 2019

Stephen Goebbels Miller is purging top levels of DHS so they can put in Islamophobes and white supremacists. Apparently Scandinavian heritage was not sufficiently pure enough for Miller.



BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
11. And he's probably taking instructions from Putin
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:46 AM
Apr 2019

It seems like Russians are determined to fuck the USA and drumph is their ideal fool

 
13. You might want to re-think this
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:53 AM
Apr 2019

Bush didn't have a policy of playing cozy with despots while alienating leaders of democracies.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
15. Are you referring to Dick Cheney?
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:01 AM
Apr 2019

Just barely kidding.

I could be (and often am) wrong, but I don't think anything the Bush administration did comes even close to what we are experiencing, now.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
23. Still not as scary as the Toxic Confederacy of Despots trump* is chums with
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:06 AM
Apr 2019

AND sings the praises of. Putin, Kim Jong Un, Erdoğan, just for starters. And Bush, for ALL of his flaws, didn't go out of his way to alienate us from our traditional allies.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
16. I'm disappointed as hell that Americans are eating this shit up.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:06 AM
Apr 2019

We are not the country I thought we were.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
17. Even if we manage to win Congress and the White House - there's a packed judiciary
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:26 AM
Apr 2019

Packed with lifetime appointment, trump* (or, actually more likely Stephen Miller) approved judges. I don't even want to think about what might still happen with the SCOTUS. It could easily be a generation, at the minimum, before the damage can be undone. And that's only possible if we don't have a repeat of 2000 and 2016's Electoral College disasters.

Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but the only alternative to a fair, majority rules election is really too frightening for me to think about.


Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
18. You can say that again WW Wally.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:31 AM
Apr 2019

I thought that after the 2016 election and all the information that came out following the election, then the Mueller investigation, that the people with the power in DC would have stepped up and done their job to rid us of this nightmare. All the craziness was like nothing I’d ever witnessed but I kept thinking and saying to myself that Congress would soon put a stop to it. That is what kept me from losing it. That thought gave me comfort and allowed me to get some rest at night

Alas, I have been repeatedly let down. Every time I thought that THIS will be the time it ends, it has not happened. There was a kerfuffle and dust up for a few days and then ....poof...nothing. I don’t know of a time when I have been more disappointed or let down by our so-called leaders. Not to say there has been no effort to bring Justice, but the democrats can’t do it all alone. There has to be bipartisan effort. And the republicans are sitting on their hands or are actively assisting tRump.

So my faith in our government to make things right again, to see the checks and balances WORK for the people has diminished to a tiny flame with barely a flicker. More like a dull ember with barely a spark left to ignite anything. I never thought I’d see the USA destroyed in my lifetime but that appears to be what is happening and there is nothing I can do but watch with dismay.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
21. The Republican Party fully supports Trump.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:02 AM
Apr 2019

The Party leaders have long dreamed of preserving their power permanently by making it impossible for Democrats to be elected as a majority. Their efforts have been toward relegating Democrats to a permanent minority party through gerrymandering, extensive voter suppression, the war on drugs targeting minorities, constant fear mongering and stoking of hatred and anger, and conservative judges (including the Supreme Court). The House win in 2018 threw a spoke in the wheel, but Republicans in Congress are doing nothing to curb Trump because he is their ticket to reelection in 2020. If Trump goes down, at least some of them will go down with him.

We need to continue throwing spokes in their wheels. One thing I’ll do is donate as much as I can to the Democrat who runs against John Cornyn and help register new voters in Texas. Defeating Cornym would give us another Senate seat, and we need every seat we can win. And, of course, I’ll vote for any Democrat who wins the nomination.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
20. It's the reality we are faced with. Best to regain emotional & psysical srength to defeat GOPers.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:53 AM
Apr 2019

.

This a-hole is affecting us all, and draining our energy with his constant shock & awe campaigns.

We need to be strong to continue the fight, and sometimes a hiatus helps to recharge the batteries.

.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
26. It's best to try and remain positive about 2020.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019

Trump and co. will certainly use all kinds of dirty tricks and we shouldn't ignore that he has zero respect for the law. I think the midterms were an indication that more people are waking up to what Trump really is. We have to fight and GOTV like never before for 2020. There is still hope. Don't give up. Turn that fear, anxiety, depression, whatever negative thoughts into anger and do everything you can to help the party win as many seats as possible.

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