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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:03 AM Apr 2019

Mnuchin May Go To Jail If He Refuses to Turn Over Trump's Taxes


Posted on Tue, Apr 9th, 2019 by Leo Vidal
Mnuchin May Go To Jail If He Refuses to Turn Over Trump’s Taxes


Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has found himself in the hot seat, and if he doesn’t handle things properly he may also find himself in jail.

Last week House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal (D-Mass.) sent a letter to the IRS requesting six years of Trump’s personal and business returns. He asked the IRS to provide the documents by Wednesday. And today, Mnuchin and IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig will be on Capitol Hill testifying before Congress.

Although Trump has had his lawyer and chief of staff publicly argue that he has no legal obligation to turn over his tax returns to Congress, a former Treasury Secretary told MSNBC’s “The Last Word” with Lawrence O’Donnell that the law is clear and Trump must comply.

In fact, according to former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, a professor at Harvard, Mnuchin will be violating federal law if he interferes in the IRS commissioner giving Trump’s tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee.

Neal made his tax return request under Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, which states that Treasury “shall furnish” tax returns upon request from the chairmen of Congress’s tax committees, as long as the committees review the documents in a closed session.

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Mnuchin May Go To Jail If He Refuses to Turn Over Trump's Taxes (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2019 OP
Except the DOJ will give every one of them a pass on everything. Greg K Apr 2019 #1
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Apr 2019 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #3
Democrats will have to play extraordinary hard ball. They will not OrlandoDem2 Apr 2019 #4
And by "May" they mean "Won't" Bettie Apr 2019 #5
Does his wife get to go with him? Polly Hennessey Apr 2019 #6
But he won't. Not a chance. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #7
The only way anything happens to these people is if SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #8
Breaking the law at every turn Bayard Apr 2019 #9
Only if a court orders the returns be given to the Committee and Mnuchin is held in contempt onenote Apr 2019 #10
A court only needs to find him in contempt ScratchCat Apr 2019 #11
Courts will hear the case. They will not issue an ex parte order onenote Apr 2019 #15
Sure he will. The same day I win Powerball. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #12
WTF does that mean? babylonsister Apr 2019 #14
Politicususa specializes in misleading headlines. There is NO CHANCE Mnuchin goes to jail. 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #16
"How many divisions does the Pope have?" - Joseph Stalin dalton99a Apr 2019 #13

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
4. Democrats will have to play extraordinary hard ball. They will not
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:28 AM
Apr 2019

turn over Trump’s taxes and they will block the IRS and any other government agency from doing so.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
7. But he won't. Not a chance.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:37 AM
Apr 2019

Trump's goons violate federal law several times a day before lunch, and again a couple more times before they leave the office for the day, and not one of them will ever see the inside of a jail cell.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
8. The only way anything happens to these people is if
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:58 AM
Apr 2019

The only way anything happens to these people is if we vote Democrats i to power in 2020. Yes keep exploring every avenue to get the info. But they are going to stall and deny us access. In the meantime highlight that stalling and denying and make it all about “what are they hiding” in the news.... And then win in 2020.


Winning in 2020 is really all there is left for us. We don’t win and... Well I don’t want to be the pessimist but it ain’t good. So really we need a focused effort on protecting our vulnerable seats and taking theirs. We have smart and motivated people here and we have a communications forum. We have the rules here to enforce and ensure we aren’t split by disinformation campaigns. We just have to put that all to work and quit arguing about the dumb shit.

Let our politicians do the work to keep trying to get the mueller report, tax statements, etc. But our eyes have to be on 2020 right now.

Bayard

(22,099 posts)
9. Breaking the law at every turn
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:19 AM
Apr 2019

It is illegal to refuse this request, pure and simple. It is not a choice.

Same thing with him ordering the separation of families at the border again. There is a court injunction not to do this. Its illegal.

If the Justice Dept. will not rein this criminal in, Congress has to do so. I understand there is still a jail under the chambers.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
10. Only if a court orders the returns be given to the Committee and Mnuchin is held in contempt
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:23 AM
Apr 2019

The article makes it sound like because refusing to comply with Chairman Neal's demand for Trump's returns would be contrary to law that Mnuchin could be directly prosecuted and jailed. That is not the case. Not complying may be "unlawful" but it is not a violation of anything in the criminal code.

It's a mistake I've pointed out before -- not everything that is unlawful is criminal. I'm not surprised when non-lawyers make the mistake of equating "illegal" with "criminal" -- but it's a pretty egregious error for the author of the article, who says he has a law degree -- to make.

ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
11. A court only needs to find him in contempt
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:29 AM
Apr 2019

There is no grey area here, and no "legal issue" for the court to interpret. The law is the law, and there is no legal basis to refuse the request. Courts may not even hear this, as there is no "interpretation" here. If he doesn't comply, a court will order him to.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
15. Courts will hear the case. They will not issue an ex parte order
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:14 AM
Apr 2019

Thinking otherwise is pure fantasy.

They should rule in favor of Neal. The one area he will may have to work a bit to convince a court is the request for returns pre-dating Trump's candidacy. Neal didn't, but should have, made the argument that the Committee's oversight of tax legislation gives it reason to investigate whether and to what extent the Administration's proposals will personally benefit Trump (i.e., conflicts of interest issues). That would be a better "legitimate purpose" for needing the older returns than the stated reasons relating to the automatic audit of presidential returns.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,009 posts)
16. Politicususa specializes in misleading headlines. There is NO CHANCE Mnuchin goes to jail.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:10 PM
Apr 2019

NONE. There is no "may" about it.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
13. "How many divisions does the Pope have?" - Joseph Stalin
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:39 AM
Apr 2019

Who will take Mnuchin into custody if the asshole decides to give him all the protection of federal law enforcement?

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