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History is repeating itself before our eyes. (Original Post) kpete Apr 2019 OP
The GOP should be ashamed of themselves. Initech Apr 2019 #1
Yes, they should be Butterflylady Apr 2019 #7
Trump is selling hate to his uneducated base. Botany Apr 2019 #2
Let's hold ourselves to a higher standard Shanti Mama Apr 2019 #3
Explaining away racism isn't a higher standard DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #6
This was a year ago. Shanti Mama Apr 2019 #11
And trump has only gotten worse in that year DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #12
agreed on everything except Shanti Mama Apr 2019 #18
Agree with Shanti Mama, we need to be better Perseus Apr 2019 #26
The fact is Trump talked about people coming across the border,pretending to be afraid as True Blue American Apr 2019 #28
The fact is that Trump did not speak these words "today, 2019" Shanti Mama Apr 2019 #31
I heard what Trump said this last week. True Blue American Apr 2019 #33
I'm all for concentrating on all his ugly words. Shanti Mama Apr 2019 #37
Call Trump a racist, then. But let's be accurate with quotes. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2019 #32
Nit picking True Blue American Apr 2019 #39
Really? Sowing discord with fake news, Russians at it again, or by one of their many proxy nations. Fred Sandman Apr 2019 #22
now moot Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #41
You're right. I changed the title. nt DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #42
We cannot be like Republicans, let's keep quotes in context. Pepsidog Apr 2019 #46
Stephen Miller: This is what the US Nazis will do when they realize you are Jewish. TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #4
Many people refuse to see what is happening. It is hard to believe what is going on. BSdetect Apr 2019 #5
I can only believe his supporters are blind by choice. world wide wally Apr 2019 #10
You ceratainly do not fight them by arguing over when some one said something! True Blue American Apr 2019 #34
Just a reminder, in case .. ananda Apr 2019 #8
My family foght Nazis. True Blue American Apr 2019 #35
Which committee can put Steven Miller into the public spotlight? Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #9
Let's make Trump, Miller's stooge like Bannon before him. Trump will turn on him. Pepsidog Apr 2019 #47
Interesting strategy. But I doubt Donny B. S. will dump Steven unless he turns state's evidence, Ford_Prefect Apr 2019 #48
Stephen Miller is a self-hating Jew. I'm Jewish, and wouldn't SCRUBDASHRUB Apr 2019 #13
+1 dalton99a Apr 2019 #14
Stephen Miller would have tried to blend in with the other Germans IronLionZion Apr 2019 #16
This quote is from Miller's uncle Perseus Apr 2019 #27
Someone else said this. spike jones Apr 2019 #15
You do have to consider there was no mass media back then. True Blue American Apr 2019 #36
You are right about today but spike jones Apr 2019 #43
Yes,they did! True Blue American Apr 2019 #44
Well, isn't The Asset the same guy who is known to have kept a copy of Mein Kampf calimary Apr 2019 #17
K&R Kurt V. Apr 2019 #19
Context is missing evilhime Apr 2019 #20
Context from TODAY: kpete Apr 2019 #29
+1 Martin Eden Apr 2019 #38
It is much more frightening to those of us who are considered POC. Enoki33 Apr 2019 #21
And I bet all the people in their government were opining about how terrible the leaders were pdsimdars Apr 2019 #23
Yes,and it is time to act now! True Blue American Apr 2019 #45
To those concerned about "context" I ask this: what do you do control animals? Hekate Apr 2019 #24
Yes! True Blue American Apr 2019 #30
OK SO-- everybody get out there.... pangaia Apr 2019 #25
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/ debsy Apr 2019 #40
The point is he said it and kacekwl Apr 2019 #49
I don't believe Will Bunch tweeted this KayF Apr 2019 #50
HA! Two nights ago I told my sister that Miller is Goebbels BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #51
K&R ck4829 Apr 2019 #52

Initech

(100,080 posts)
1. The GOP should be ashamed of themselves.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:21 AM
Apr 2019

But then again they have no shame, no decency, no empathy, anything that makes them human.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
2. Trump is selling hate to his uneducated base.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:34 AM
Apr 2019

According to wife # 1, Ivana, Trump kept a copy of Hitler’s speeches by his bed. When asked about it Trump said
something like, “I don’t remember that but if I did then I’m sure I didn’t read them.”

Trump is pushing his racism to the limit to whip up his base in order to distract from Russia putting him into office.

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
3. Let's hold ourselves to a higher standard
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:40 AM
Apr 2019

The animal reference was about M15, over a year ago, not on the border yesterday.
Let's not repost inaccurate "news", please.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
6. Explaining away racism isn't a higher standard
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:01 AM
Apr 2019

trump is a racist. trump has always been a racist. trump will always be a racist. Please don't make excuses for him.
The racist's words speak for themselves.

We better start worrying more about them lowering the bar rather than upholding our high standards while polishing our halos.

Trump Calls Some Unauthorized Immigrants ‘Animals’ in Rant

"WASHINGTON — President Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting on Wednesday, warning in front of news cameras that dangerous people were clamoring to breach the country’s borders and branding such people “animals.”

Mr. Trump’s comments came during a round-table discussion with state and local leaders on California’s so-called sanctuary laws, which strictly limit communication between local law enforcement and federal immigration officers, and which the Trump administration is suing to invalidate. It was hardly the first time the president has spoken in racially fraught terms about immigrants, but it underscored his anger about unchecked immigration — the animating issue of his campaign and his tenure so far — and his frustration that he has not been able to do more to seal the nation’s borders.

As he has in numerous private meetings with his advisers at the White House, Mr. Trump used the session to vent about the nation’s immigration laws, calling them “the dumbest laws on immigration in the world.” He exhorted his administration to “do much better” in keeping out undesirable people, including members of transnational gangs like MS-13.

“We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — we’re stopping a lot of them,” Mr. Trump said in the Cabinet Room during an hourlong meeting that reporters were allowed to document. “You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people, these are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/trump-undocumented-immigrants-animals.html

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
11. This was a year ago.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:29 AM
Apr 2019

The graphic in the original post makes it seem like it was this week.
I'm not excusing the abomination that occupies the white house. I'm saying, let's let accurate facts speak for themselves.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
12. And trump has only gotten worse in that year
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:37 AM
Apr 2019

I understand your point but the facts haven't changed. trump has his goebbels now, stephen miller, running immigration and who knows what else?

Everyone says trump decides on his policies based on the last person he talks to. stephen miller is now that person. stephen miller, a pure fucking racist nazi if there ever was one. And to make matters far worse, he should really, really know better.

This is from last year too and it, likewise, has only gotten worse.

Stephen Miller’s uncle calls him an ‘immigration hypocrite’
Trump adviser advocates policy that would have condemned his own Jewish family when they came to US in 1903, says David Glosser

https://www.timesofisrael.com/stephen-millers-uncle-calls-him-an-immigration-hypocrite/

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
18. agreed on everything except
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:04 AM
Apr 2019

I still think we should present accurate facts. There's more than enough to condemn that man without conflation.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
26. Agree with Shanti Mama, we need to be better
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:48 AM
Apr 2019

If we are to publish these news, then the facts of when it happened and how it happened should accompany the pictures and the statements. This type of information is what republicans will run with to prove Democrats deal with fake news, it can harm more than to help show the evil of the buffoon.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
28. The fact is Trump talked about people coming across the border,pretending to be afraid as
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:03 PM
Apr 2019

Big huge,gangsters.etc,etc. just this week. He has a pattern of calling them names. That is fact,and he was ranting the same thing this week. He started this 3 years ago.

High standards indeed. Let us call a spade a spade!

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
31. The fact is that Trump did not speak these words "today, 2019"
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:13 PM
Apr 2019

There are so many terrible things he has said and done. Let's stick with those.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
33. I heard what Trump said this last week.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:21 PM
Apr 2019

The same terrible things he has been saying for 3 years now.

You choose to concentrate on a couple of words! I do not! Hate is hate and to quibble over when a couple of words were said is one of the reasons Trump is able to spread his racist rants..

I choose not to, your choice to do so.

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
37. I'm all for concentrating on all his ugly words.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:32 PM
Apr 2019

I just don't want to spread untruths to the world, to be used against us.

 

Fred Sandman

(43 posts)
22. Really? Sowing discord with fake news, Russians at it again, or by one of their many proxy nations.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:17 AM
Apr 2019

I hate when this happens. Thread trashed! Always check the source and info for accuracy, agents provocateurs are everywhere on the evil net.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
4. Stephen Miller: This is what the US Nazis will do when they realize you are Jewish.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:42 AM
Apr 2019

.


Joseph Goebbels, before and after reaction that the Life photographer taking his pictures is Jewish.




Here's another. Gee, the photographer sort of looks like Stephen Miller too.



.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
35. My family foght Nazis.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:26 PM
Apr 2019

I know I am not one. But my Dad remarked he wondered if he was killing cousins. His parents migrated from Hanover. They were strongly family caring. So it bothered him.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
9. Which committee can put Steven Miller into the public spotlight?
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:27 AM
Apr 2019

Trump is nuts and horrible but he's being fed far worse than he's capable of thinking of on his own. Miller's agenda and perverse views need to be made subject to public comment and discussion by Congress and the MSM in the same way De Vos has been.

Given his effect on national security, law enforcement, and policy it seems to me that several Congressional committees should be interested in interviewing him. I think his security clearance would also be in question. How did it get approved when he has such close ties to Spencer and other white supremacists who advocate terror?

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
48. Interesting strategy. But I doubt Donny B. S. will dump Steven unless he turns state's evidence,
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 07:15 PM
Apr 2019

or is embarrassed publicly in front of Congress.

In my view Miller should be tried for Crimes Against Humanity in the World Court at the Hague for authoring the family separation program, and indicted for interfering in the due process of US law by advising Trump specifically to do so, many times.

He is not a legal scholar nor a lawyer. He is a self-promoting PR flack and a Neo-Nazi.

Stephen Miller (born August 23, 1985) is an American far-right political activist who serves as a senior adviser for policy for President Donald Trump. He was previously the communications director for then-Senator Jeff Sessions. He was also a press secretary for Republican representatives Michele Bachmann and John Shadegg.

As a speechwriter for Trump, Miller helped write Trump's inaugural address. He has been a key adviser since the early days of Trump's presidency. An immigration hardliner, Miller was a chief architect of Trump's travel ban, the administration's reduction of refugees accepted to the United States, and Trump's policy of separating migrant children from their parents. On February 12, 2017, he appeared to question the power of the judiciary to limit the executive's role in setting immigration policy.

As a White House spokesman, Miller has on multiple occasions made false and unsubstantiated claims regarding widespread electoral fraud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)

SCRUBDASHRUB

(7,252 posts)
13. Stephen Miller is a self-hating Jew. I'm Jewish, and wouldn't
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:41 AM
Apr 2019

be here if it weren't for this country (neither would Miller). My late grandfather was the youngest of 13 children, many of whom perished in the Holocaust, and he was able to emigrate.

If it were up to Miller, he would have turn away his own family.

IronLionZion

(45,454 posts)
16. Stephen Miller would have tried to blend in with the other Germans
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:48 AM
Apr 2019

and totally turned against his own family and people

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
27. This quote is from Miller's uncle
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:53 AM
Apr 2019

Mr. Trump is trying to sell you something…He sells fear of immigrants, contempt of our daughters, sisters, and wives, and sows discord and anger. He knows the dictator’s disgraceful sales tricks of challenging the integrity of democratic elections, he finds an unpopular outside group to blame our troubles on, cooks up false electoral fraud theories if he doesn’t get his way, threatens and bullies his opponents, and tells us that he is the only one that can lead the nation ahead. He’s trying to sell you something, and it’s not a good product. For the first time in my memory a major American political party’s presidential candidate has proposed that laws and regulations be established solely on the basis of a person’s religion and ethnic background. The legitimization of this as a basis of serious political discussion is a terrible step into darkness. Remember, what goes around comes around. If today it’s "them," then tomorrow it may be you.
~~ David Glosser (Stephen Miller's uncle)

He also mentioned that if what Miller is trying to do had been done when their family came to the USA, they would have been left in Germany to die in the ovens, and Miller would not be here.

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
15. Someone else said this.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:44 AM
Apr 2019

“The Holocaust resulted neither from a confluence of circumstances beyond human control nor from history’s inexorable march. It happened because ordinary people failed to stop it.”

For those on the sidelines:
by @matthewamiller:
"If you've wondered what you would have done in 1930s Germany or during the civil rights movement, congratulations: you're doing it now." You are either doing it right...or you are doing it wrong. Your choice. Me. RESIST!!!!

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
36. You do have to consider there was no mass media back then.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:29 PM
Apr 2019

A radio was the only thing they had. Many did not realize what was happening until it was too late.

People were turning on each other, they were killed. We do not have that excuse today!

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
43. You are right about today but
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 01:28 PM
Apr 2019

by 1941 the people of Germany knew what was being done. See the White Rose papers.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
44. Yes,they did!
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 02:01 PM
Apr 2019

And by that time families were turning on each other because they knew they would be dead if they complained or told.

Completely different world. I do not have to read nything to know what was happening then. I have known it all my life. I have little brownie pictures of the Concentration camps that members of my family took when they liberated the Camps.

evilhime

(326 posts)
20. Context is missing
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:12 AM
Apr 2019

Before I post a fact check link, let me say I despise the man and everything he and his minions stand for and are doing to our country. Comparing people to animals - in all honesty I prefer most animals to what is currently governing our country. alas that is not what he means. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/apr/08/tweets/tweet-leaves-out-context-donald-trumps-animals-rem/ While he said the words the context is not as inferred above. I do not dispute that is really how he thinks (and his puppeteer in charge - Miller) but with the context it is not quite what he said. I fear we hurt our own cause by misquoting or bending what is said. IMHO.

kpete

(71,996 posts)
29. Context from TODAY:
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:06 PM
Apr 2019
"The cruelty is the point, but so is retreating on our international humanitarian commitments in as many ways as possible."

"Trump and Miller are looking to implement a new version of family separations, to force migrant parents to choose between indefinite detention as a family or agreeing to a separation under which...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/09/trump-cruelty-is-point-its-actually-worse-than-that/?utm_term=.7f5d75d8aa30

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
21. It is much more frightening to those of us who are considered POC.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:14 AM
Apr 2019

Associates of Steven Miller have described him as a monster who hates brown people. This vile person has no problem putting little children in pens at the direction of tRump. Years ago an old friend mentioned he was convinced tRump was using the playbook from 1933 Nazi Germany. Steven Miller is the embodiment of that book.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
23. And I bet all the people in their government were opining about how terrible the leaders were
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:25 AM
Apr 2019

just like they are today, without stopping it before it was too late. He has already separated the government from the people by insulating himself with leaders who are not approved by congress but are "acting" (on his behalf). It's getting late people and our congress isn't stopping it.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
24. To those concerned about "context" I ask this: what do you do control animals?
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:37 AM
Apr 2019

Answer: cage them. Even pets get crate-trained. Dogs get kenneled. Bad animals get put down. See: the border.

Trump has otherized brown immigrants and POC Americans. He has done so his entire life, and started his campaign with an incredible hate-filled screed against Mexicans.

I understand the concern with accuracy of dates and context, but in this case, the context is all of Trump's public life, and the quote is relevant.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
30. Yes!
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 12:09 PM
Apr 2019

Picking at when Trump said something when he has said variations of the same hate for 3 years now is senseless.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
25. OK SO-- everybody get out there....
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:47 AM
Apr 2019

and contact your local newspaper, radio station, tv station.

wrote letters to editors--

contact your congress critters and tell them to get on THIS and everythig else..

tell your dentist to turn off fox news






debsy

(530 posts)
40. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 01:01 PM
Apr 2019

I still think dumpster fire is just that but we have to be accurate in our reporting if we don't want to wind up like FOX.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
49. The point is he said it and
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 07:59 PM
Apr 2019

history is repeating itself. Whether he said it today or a year ago is immaterial.

KayF

(1,345 posts)
50. I don't believe Will Bunch tweeted this
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:11 PM
Apr 2019

I don't know who Bunch is. I was about to call him a liar for posting this. But I looked through his feed and he seems legitimate. He is affiliated with Philly.com, a mainstream source. There's nothing like this tweet on his feed, he just posts normal news articles and opinion pieces.

I think someone faked this, Notice there's no link to the actual tweet by Bunch, it's just a screenshot. I think it's fake, possibly to discredit Bunch, make him look like a liar.

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
51. HA! Two nights ago I told my sister that Miller is Goebbels
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:43 PM
Apr 2019

when she told me she is reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

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