A big reason we won the House in record numbers

[SHRED]

Was to put a check on this outlaw administration.
I think we are playing way too nice still.

Where is the urgency?

[blue neen]

1. Way too nice.

Yep.

[ananda]

2. Yep

..

[at140]

52. Nice guys finish last!

I hear that all the time.

[watoos]

3. There is a cure for being nice:

Impeachment now.

[randr]

4. We are now and have always been

The Majority
It is only through deception that it appears otherwise.

[watoos]

6. It wasn't even deception, we won by 3 million votes.

What makes it tough for Democrats is that the M$M is owned by and controls a far right corporate narrative.

[tymorial]

50. The majority means nothing under rule of law.

Making that argument gets thrown out of court and fails on appeal

Everyone needs to just wait and let the process continue.

[SHRED]

56. As Republicans torch the place

Yeah, let's wait.

[tymorial]

58. Unless you plan on an armed revolution, I am really not sure what you suggest. Nt.

[SHRED]

59. Today's "grilling" of Barr was weak

Still no subpoenas even though Barr said today he would never release the report to Congress.

I'm beyond frustrated.

[pdsimdars]

5. Exactly, he has taken our government from the hands of the people - congress

He has all those appointees in positions of power who were not confirmed by congress, he is creating his own bubble around him, his own government of loyalists. He's already done a lot of this, so where is the urgency?

[watoos]

7. Impeachment Now.

It get sick of hearing that impeachment will rile up Trump's base, well so be it, they will vote for him without impeachment.

Impeachment will rile up the Democratic base. Let's do it, 2020 is too far away.

[world wide wally]

10. Impeach him on EVERY count... Over and over and over and....

[pdsimdars]

12. Freeing the slaves riled up the south but we had to do it and we handled it.

Another interesting point I heard today was that by starting impeachment hearings they would be required to have the full Mueller report as part of discovery.

[SlogginThroughIt]

55. How will impeachment get us the report?

Honestly how will that be accomplished? We already have mechanisms in place to get the full report to people in congress... And they are not complying. So how will impeachment change that?

[TxVietVet]

14. tRump is destroying the national security apparatus

and the DOJ.

Putin's boy is doing what he's ordered to do: destroy the United States.

[pangaia]

47. WHY don;t our reps see this, or if they do SY SO ????

[crud]

8. wait for the mueller report...ugh

Still waiting...and waiting. We'll be waiting forever I'm afraid. Then we go to court, then we debate it, then we debate high crimes, then we hand them a baseball bat so the reps can beat a dead horse, and a straw man, and throw up a few red herings, and then maybe we can all agree that maybe Trump did something, but we aren't sure and everyone just doesn't give a shit anymore.

[sharedvalues]

20. If you're upset and want action call your Congresspeople.

Tell them you want action, if that’s what you want.

[crud]

28. I agree

I wish more folks would show up at their local protests also.

[Karadeniz]

9. Some article said that from the voter numbers, we should have earned another 15 or 16seats.

We need to eliminate gerrymandering. How about a federal voting district commission?

[Honeycombe8]

11. I think it's happening. Hearings. Subpoenas. Negotiations on the Mueller Report...

I'm sure Congress knows what will be coming in the redacted version. I think they're ready for pushing that thru the court system.

They requested tax returns from the IRS.

Businesslike is a good way to go. Serious and they mean business. There are strong statements being made (Schiff's "But I don't" speech was one for the record, IMO)

I think they're doing great.

[leftieNanner]

17. I agree with you

I think we should do this with purpose and a plan. This is what it looks like to me. They don't want anyone to say "but they didn't follow the letter of the law" - as if the Repugs ever do! Then when we get the report and get all of the information - and I believe that we will, we can pursue impeachment with all of our ammo. If we rush forward into the fray, then the other side gets to manage the narrative. We know they are good at that. I really like Nadler, Schiff, Waters and the way they are handling their hearings.

[sharedvalues]

19. We're not getting the report unless we fight. The fix is in.

Barr is trying to hide it.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com

[leftieNanner]

21. Absolutely!

And I believe that Cummings, Nadler, Schiff etc. are fighting!

Barr is trying to bury it in a coffin in a glacial crevasse and then set it on fire! I find it difficult to believe that there is only one copy of this report.

But I do not believe that he will succeed. This is the fight for our democracy and our lives!

[sharedvalues]

18. What, Honeycombe8???

Why are you telling Dems to go easy? To wait?

[leftieNanner]

22. Neither.

I can't answer for Honeycombe8, but I think we need to do this the right way and we are.

It has been an agonizing two plus years since The Orange One was "elected" and I want him gone yesterday. But I believe that we need to do this following the rule of law so that when all of this comes out - and it will - we will be able to bring a Republican or two along with us. If we can't convince some Senators that this is all real, then we will lose everything.

[sharedvalues]

39. We can follow the rule of law and still be MUCH more aggressive

For one, Dems could change their stupid hearing format where guys like Mnuchin can run out the clock.

Allow unlimited time for questions. And get a real prosecutor to ask the questions. This disjointed limited time stuff is crap.

[Honeycombe8]

23. There's a plan. Don't you see it?

They have to wait to get the redacted report before they sue for it or subpoena it (if they can do that). If they don't wait, the court would kick it out as premature,and the subpoena might be denied. They know that the redactions will be inappropriate, leaving much of the report and evidence redacted. They'll have to sue to get it unredacted. Check.

They have officially requested tax returns. Check. (A war has started on this, probably ending up in court.)

They are holding hearings of Barr and Mueller starting this week. Check.

What do you suggest they do? This is the way to get the report and tax returns. There is a legal step, each step of the way. Then it all ends up in court. But courts don't waste their time on matters where the statutory legal procedures haven't been followed first.

They know what they're doing, IMO.

[leftieNanner]

24. YES

Thank you. Your explanation was so much better than mine.

[Honeycombe8]

25. +1. nt

[sharedvalues]

40. It's no coincidence Republicans are telling Dems to wait too.

Before long, it will be too late.

[Hoyt]

57. +10000 Next week we'll have the Mueller report. No matter how much it is

redacted, Congress can run with it, assuming there is something really there. I believe there is, but I Congressional Democrats probably want a little more evidence.

If Barr or trump tries to hide significant details at this point, they will be cornered.

[yaesu]

13. Its interesting that since the election the tRump crime family is getting away with more & more shit

one step forward, two back.

[KPN]

15. Somebody posted the question yesterday are we like the frogs being slow boiled?

It applies to what is going on perfectly. It will be too late if we don’t realize the urgent enormity and react appropriately — react powerfully.

[Honeycombe8]

26. In what way?

What do you think the committees should do to get the unredacted report? To get the tax returns? To know what Mueller has to say on all of this?

[KPN]

35. You answered the question.

But how about call it loudly what it is. A coup d’etat in progress by a rogue party. How about stir up the majority to action. How about lead a nationwide protest?

[sharedvalues]

42. +100

[sharedvalues]

41. Issue subpoenas. Subpoena Weissmann or Rhee.

Hold Barr in contempt if he refuses to answer whether he gave the report to the White House.

What Dems allowed to happen with Barr today is a disgrace.

They should eliminate the 5min question period— make him answer.
They should require him to answer questions — or refer for prosecution.
And they should be screaming COVERUP to the rooftops.




On the other hand, your approach does help Trump
and the Republicans run out the clock till 2020. So maybe I should rethink - maybe your approach is best?

[Honeycombe8]

44. It's so nice discussing issues with like-minded, intelligent posters...

who share the same goal. It's so helpful, don't you think?

On the other hand, sniping at a fellow Democrat with the same goals does help Trump. So maybe I should rethink being logical and polite...maybe your approach is best?

[sharedvalues]

63. Yes, I also think echoing Republicans who are telling Dems to wait isn't good.

Here is a Republican pushing the message:
"Wait. Dems have got this. Barr deserves a chance."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/give-william-barr-benefit-doubt/586207/

[sharedvalues]

16. YES!!!! Call your Reps!!!!!!

If we want Dems to act we have to pressure them.

Tell them to act. Subpoenas. Subpoena enforcement. Criminal referrals for people who break the law. Like Barr.

Subpoenas to Devin Nunes to figure out who is funding his BS lawsuits.
Subpoenas to any woman who has an NDA with Trump to break the NDA.

DO SOMETHING Democrats! You have power. Use it!!!

[Honeycombe8]

30. How do you think Barr broke the law?

What law did he break?

Subpoena what? Who?

Do you think there's a legal right for Congress to know who is funding Nunes' lawsuits for personal damages?

Why do we want more women to talk about Trump? You don't think that would confuse the important issues of tax evasion and possible money laundering, and maybe illegal receipts from Russia? Do you think Mueller has already interviewed women who had NDAs with Trump?

They are very busy. Did you watch the hearing today where Barr testified before Congress?

I guarantee you they have attorneys working, drafting litigation to get the Mueller report, if they don't get it beforehand. And/or maybe a draft of a subpoena. I'm sure they have lawyers working out a plan on what to do if the IRS defies their official request for Trump's tax returns. They have to be ready to go on these things, if necessary, in a short period of time.

[tymorial]

33. Honestly sometimes I think people play right into Trumps hands.

Ignoring rule of law, storming the White House and removing Trump physically putting him in stock on the Washington mall..

It plays right into the narrative that this is a Witch Hunt instead of following procedure and rule of law. Moral superiority will not get us anywhere.

[Honeycombe8]

34. It's not moral superiority. It's following the law (first).

The law DOES provide certain avenues to get these things. We have to try those first.

If anyone formed a coup, which is what you're talking about, they'd be arrested and imprisoned for life. You go first. I'll watch and root for ya.

[tymorial]

49. Pretty much.

I really dont get the mindset.

[sharedvalues]

38. 100% correct.

[sharedvalues]

37. Yes you're right- give up, Dems! Do nothing.

That’s what we elected them to do.

And they’re so BUSY! How could they have time to actually do executive oversight?

[Honeycombe8]

45. So you don't know of any laws that Barr broke?

Barr, an attorney, must have broken laws, since you say so. But surely you know which laws he broke. List them here:_____________ _____________________________________________________________.

I think the Committee members know a bit more than you about how to get what they're after. I wouldn't "misunderestimate" Maxine Waters.

Some of these things will end up in court. Courts require that you pursue the avenues open to you first, before bothering the courts. Because it's possible one of those avenues would have worked, but if not, it tells the Court where both parties stand.

Trying filing a personal injury lawsuit and explaining to the judge that no, you hadn't asked the defendant if he'd pay your for your damages. Judge turns to Defendant and says, "Will you?" Defendant says, "Yes. She never asked." Judge kicks you out of court, and your lawyer's reputation is sullied. You might even get a fine for wasting the court's time. And you had to spend thousands of dollars paying court costs and drafting petitions and responses and serving subpoenas to get to court.

Running off half cocked, yelling that you want the report, would accomplish nothing. Except make the Democrats look crazy and incompetent.

They know what they're doing.

[sharedvalues]

62. Ah, another "must know every law broken BEFORE investigation starts"

You're moving the goalposts.

We're talking about subpoenas and investigation. And then holding people like Barr TO the subpoenas. With real enforcement. Where if he refuses to answer, he can be held in contempt of congress. Which is a crime!

Not sure why this is so hard.

[RandySF]

27. It was to stop the GOP from repealing ACA

[tymorial]

31. It was multiple reasons. People need patience

More than that, they need to recognize that our immediate gratification culture does not apply to all facets of life... especially where government and politics are involved.

[sharedvalues]

43. No but they can recognize politics is PR

And that we are dealing with a GOP that will stop ONLY if they face consequences.

The Dems should be screaming that a Trump Judge on the DC circuit changed long-standing law on grand jury materials to make the Barr coverup easier.

[tymorial]

29. The procedures need to be followed if this is going to the court

Mueller, the house. All are following a course of action that denies the administration to accuse Democrats of doing that which they accuse the Trump administration, ignoring procedure and federal law.

[Honeycombe8]

32. Exactly. They are furiously working...

questions at the hearing today, a draft lawsuit and maybe subpoena regarding the Mueller report, plans on what to do if the IRS defies the official request for the tax returns, etc.

All the things Congress CAN do to get the report and these other things, must be done before filing suit, or a court might throw it out saying, "Go back and do the things that the law provides for you to get these things. If you can't, come back."

[Ferrets are Cool]

36. I agree 100% with you.

[pangaia]

46. Damn straight, Shred.

I pay these people to save our asses....

[BigmanPigman]

48. Are we still taking the damn "high road"?

Where has that ever gotten us? Ezactly my point. Roll up the sleeves and play like the GOP! Two CAN play at their game!

Call your reps and tell them to be tough!!

[SHRED]

53. Yes. As some here indicate

We must follow protocol.
Meanwhile Repubs have kicked the doors down and are torching the place.

[BigmanPigman]

54. We have been down this road before.

I stand with Bill Maher on this one. So does my family. Nice guys finish LAST! Will we ever learn? Obama tried to reach across the aisle for 8 years and each time he tried they bit his hand.

[Grasswire2]

51. and that is the reply to Mnuchin..

..when he said that the people knew about Trump's taxes and elected him anyway.

The 2016 election (if it was as Mnuchin said) was nullified in that respect by 2018 election of House Democrats to put a check on Trump, specifically.

[GulfCoast66]

60. I disagree with your premise. That is the reason we hyper attached,

And Partisan voters got out and voted. But we always do. Vote, that is.

We won the house by winning district that will remain unsafe for us in 2020 buy getting people out to vote on healthcare. And other issues that affect Americans on a daily basis.

If we overplay our hand and are not seen as pushing for kitchen table issues that help Americans we risk losing those seats right back.

Trump is doubling down to try to get us to take our eye off the issues ball and focus on him. If we do, I fear the results. If we impeach with no conviction we may well give the White House back to him. And this Senate will never convict.

Yes, investigate. But most of the stories we need coming out are how we are trying to make Americans lives better. We make the election about trump we may well lose.

[Polly Hennessey]

61. Congress is going on Easter

vacation next week for two weeks. The Republicans are playing the waiting game. We fall for it each and every time. Soon, enough time will have passed and no one will care.

[Bayard]

64. Redactions

With enough redactions, Barr can make the report say whatever he wants it to say.

So what happens when Congress finally gets the real report--and they will--and its a totally different narrative? Just how much trouble will Barr be in?

[CrispyQ]

65. You can bet Barr is working at warp speed setting up his investigation of Comey et al.

By the time we see the fully redacted Mueller report, half the country will believe that the investigation was actually an attempt by the dems to pull off a coup. Who cares that Comey, Mueller, Sessions, etc, are all republicans & that the dems have basically been powerless for the first two years of this administration, the MSM will neglect to remind the clueless Americans about that.

We are in as deep a shit as you can be in & still have your nose above it all. It's not looking good for our side.