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True Dough

(17,314 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:42 AM Apr 2019

Is it time to give up on NOLA? Move people inland?

This sounds grim, but history is very likely to repeat itself. Perhaps with worse consequences...


After a $14-Billion Upgrade, New Orleans' Levees Are Sinking


Sea level rise and ground subsidence will render the flood barriers inadequate in just four years

The $14 billion network of levees and floodwalls that was built to protect greater New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina was a seemingly invincible bulwark against flooding.

But now, 11 months after the Army Corps of Engineers completed one of the largest public works projects in world history, the agency says the system will stop providing adequate protection in as little as four years because of rising sea levels and shrinking levees.

The growing vulnerability of the New Orleans area is forcing the Army Corps to begin assessing repair work, including raising hundreds of miles of levees and floodwalls that form a meandering earth and concrete fortress around the city and its adjacent suburbs.

“These systems that maybe were protecting us before are no longer going to be able to protect us without adjustments,” said Emily Vuxton, policy director of the Coalition to Restore Coastal Louisiana, an environmental group. She said repair costs could be “hundreds of millions” of dollars, with 75% paid by federal taxpayers.



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/after-a-14-billion-upgrade-new-orleans-levees-are-sinking/
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Is it time to give up on NOLA? Move people inland? (Original Post) True Dough Apr 2019 OP
Since subsidence is a major problem in the NOLA area, TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #1
Many homeowners there are already uninsured or underinsured, Hortensis Apr 2019 #2
Where do you move JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #3
Mar-a-lago...n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2019 #4
Love it! JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #5
1.5 million in Metropolitan New Orleans. SaintLouisBlues Apr 2019 #14
Yep JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #15
i am not moving rampartc Apr 2019 #6
Don't blame you snpsmom Apr 2019 #7
mom, i understand that rampartc Apr 2019 #13
I'm sure there are people who love you and hope you do not mean what you say. It would be a waste Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #8
Yes Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #9
NOLA is one of many cities world wide that have to face this question... Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #10
There are a lot of good arguments against putting a city there. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #11
Another risk: River cities and villages from the beginning of the Atchafalay to NOLA NCjack Apr 2019 #12

TexasTowelie

(112,347 posts)
1. Since subsidence is a major problem in the NOLA area,
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:54 AM
Apr 2019

have they ruled out fracking disposal wells to alleviate the problem?

Since this is a case of something moving when it isn't supposed to be moving, I thought that the flowchart said that they should be using duct tape? more

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Many homeowners there are already uninsured or underinsured,
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 08:58 AM
Apr 2019

with costs rising prohibitively or coverage not available.

JustAnotherGen

(31,849 posts)
15. Yep
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 09:34 AM
Apr 2019

Was down there during New Years. It's as silly to me as building huge water pipe lines from Lake Ontario to Georgia.

snpsmom

(684 posts)
7. Don't blame you
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:01 AM
Apr 2019

If I could find a way to get my husband to relocate, I would be back there in a hot minute.

rampartc

(5,432 posts)
13. mom, i understand that
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 02:24 PM
Apr 2019

but if you are someplace else and happy stay there and grow roots.

this place has changed since katrina, a lot, and i sometimes wish we could have settled somewhere else.

Wounded Bear

(58,685 posts)
10. NOLA is one of many cities world wide that have to face this question...
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:08 AM
Apr 2019

NOLA is built on sediment, miles deep, that has been deposited over many thousand years by the Mississippi River.

It is soft. When you build large buildings on it, no matter how well the foundations are, they sink, especially when people are drawing ground water out for drinking and watering crops, etc. So, the ground is sinking and the sea is rising. One thing is certain, when Mother Nature acts, mankind better watch out. Now, we're amping up Mother Nature's strength by fueling global warming.

Millions are at risk world wide by sea level rise, from NOLA to London to Shanghai ad nauseum.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
11. There are a lot of good arguments against putting a city there.
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:33 AM
Apr 2019

But as long as the mouth of the Mississippi remains an important port, it's probably just going to override them.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
12. Another risk: River cities and villages from the beginning of the Atchafalay to NOLA
Sat Apr 13, 2019, 11:39 AM
Apr 2019

are one big, wet storm away from another kind of flood disaster. At the confluence of the Mississippi, Atchafalaya, and Red River, the US Corp of Engineers has constructed levees and gates to control and distribute the rivers' water flow volume. The Atchafalaya gets 100% of the Red's water and 30% of the Mississippi's water. While performing very well now, global change may send a super wet storm up the Mississippi Valley and overwhelm the distribution system. The Atchafalaya's water level there is 12 feet below that of the Mississippi's. If the Mississippi rises and flows across its bank into the Atchafalaya, it will cut a connection because of the 12-ft drop, and within hours the Mississippi would change its course. The results would be the Atchafalaya would become the New Mississippi, and between the Red River to the Gulf of Mexico, that zone -- including Baton Rouge and New Orleans -- would become bayou cities, cut-off without Mississippi water to make depth for commercial traffic. That risk has been recognized at least since the late 1800s. But, there was never a policy to limit exposure to the risk.

The US government should immediately begin a program to save what we can from loss of the Mississippi River cutting a channel to the Atchafalaya.

[link:https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/environment/article_d5a29f26-06a9-11e8-abde-8b9660c81021.html|]


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