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If the Democratic Party doesn't get tougher and soon (Original Post) SHRED Apr 2019 OP
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It's part of the reason people think both parties are the same. Beartracks Apr 2019 #6
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This! SHRED Apr 2019 #12
If anyone still believes that the parties are the same... TwilightZone Apr 2019 #25
Well... "a" rein. :) Beartracks Apr 2019 #26
Nothing milquetoast about Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #11
They're going to vote republican because... FBaggins Apr 2019 #2
No. They won't vote. SHRED Apr 2019 #5
They won't vote because they want to get rid of Trump FBaggins Apr 2019 #7
Nonsense. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #22
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And by "get tougher" you mean "act tougher." Yes, this. Enough... Beartracks Apr 2019 #3
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Huh Not from what I read today... SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #4
Oh sure Dem voters will hemorrhage and go where? To Republicans? There is a long game UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #8
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I don't very much care for your tone. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #19
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Far from it dear heart, but try not to be so OBVIOUS. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #23
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Don't worry I didn't call you friend. I see one sentence was too much for you to comprehend dear. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #28
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You telling me to give myself an enema with my white bullshit but you can't type out bullshit. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #31
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Well I do hope you enjoy your stay...although it will be brief ! nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #33
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Oh Dangermouse we hardy knew ye ! UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #36
Member since 2017 but you're new huh? No rec's??? I told ya tooooo OBVIOUS !! UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #34
I was thinking the same thing about your post. Maraya1969 Apr 2019 #37
Ya know what you are right. I should not of put in the silly part...I stand by the hyperbole though UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #38
Dem voters don't have to go anywhere, but they have been known to sit out elections. Autumn Apr 2019 #45
dems sat out the recent judge election in WI so a right winger got in. 27% turnout nt msongs Apr 2019 #9
Is it that or do folks not even know these elections are being held? I'll wager the latter. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #18
I'm sure panicking about everything and declaring that the sky is falling will help. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #14
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I just dont think the majority of Americans are engaged right now in 2020... VarryOn Apr 2019 #29
Exactly. The people in this country, for the most part, are clueless when it comes to politics. YOHABLO Apr 2019 #42
Let's stomp our feet on the Capitol marble and threaten the buffoon Prez with subpoenas. Hoyt Apr 2019 #20
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Absolutely! YOHABLO Apr 2019 #43
we need to fight now larwdem Apr 2019 #39
Proof? RandySF Apr 2019 #40
Up spike91nz Apr 2019 #41
What do you mean by "tougher"? Is this about not having votes and saying so? betsuni Apr 2019 #44

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
6. It's part of the reason people think both parties are the same.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:34 PM
Apr 2019

When Republicans hold the reins of power, they get away with acting like Republicans.

And when Democrats hold the reins... Republicans still get away with acting like Republicans.

So no matter who's in power, Republican bullshit is the result.

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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
25. If anyone still believes that the parties are the same...
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:01 AM
Apr 2019

they've been asleep for the past 2+ years. It's a ridiculous assertion and always has been.

"And when Democrats hold the reins"

Right, like the Senate now.

FBaggins

(26,740 posts)
7. They won't vote because they want to get rid of Trump
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:35 PM
Apr 2019

And democrats aren’t being aggressive enough?

They won’t instead say “I guess I’ll have to do it myself”?

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
22. Nonsense.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:56 PM
Apr 2019

We made progress in 2018 by running issues-based campaigns, not by freaking out about Trump 24/7. We need to continue that strategy to be successful, not constantly scream about how weak Democrats are. Besides, it's bullshit.

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Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
3. And by "get tougher" you mean "act tougher." Yes, this. Enough...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:32 PM
Apr 2019

... of the strongly-worded letters, concerned speeches, and (empty-so-far) threats. I understand the whole Congressional due process thing, but geeze. A cop doesn't even give this many warnings to a speeder. Why do colluders, obstructionists, and treason-weasels get a better shake than someone driving 50 in a 45 zone?

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
8. Oh sure Dem voters will hemorrhage and go where? To Republicans? There is a long game
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:39 PM
Apr 2019

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at play here for gods sake. Can you wait with all this until at least after the report is released?

It sounds very hyperbolic.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
31. You telling me to give myself an enema with my white bullshit but you can't type out bullshit.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:12 AM
Apr 2019

CHILD PLEASE.

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Maraya1969

(22,480 posts)
37. I was thinking the same thing about your post.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:27 AM
Apr 2019

Telling the OP about it being hyperbolic and silly. That sounded mean and unnecessary to me.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
38. Ya know what you are right. I should not of put in the silly part...I stand by the hyperbole though
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:30 AM
Apr 2019

!!!!

Autumn

(45,091 posts)
45. Dem voters don't have to go anywhere, but they have been known to sit out elections.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:43 AM
Apr 2019

Especially when they tire of the elusive long game that seems to never end.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
14. I'm sure panicking about everything and declaring that the sky is falling will help.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:46 PM
Apr 2019

Meanwhile, there's zero evidence that we're hemorrhaging voters. The vast majority of people have already made up their minds about Trump, pros and cons, and the results of the Mueller investigation, barring a complete bombshell, isn't going to sway many people one way or the other.

Meanwhile, there are myriad other investigations re: Trump ongoing:

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/20/18241825/trump-investigations-sdny-inauguration-state-congress

The electorate at large also doesn't fixate on the minutia of every political event.

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VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
29. I just dont think the majority of Americans are engaged right now in 2020...
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 12:07 AM
Apr 2019

Ive traveled quite a bit so far this year to both blue and red states. Not heard a lot of people discussing politics.

This afternoon, I told a coworker "tomorrow's the big day." This guy has a master in industrial engineering, is quite smart, and I we discuss current events almost daily. But...

"What big day," he asked.

"The Mueller Repport comes out."

"Oh, cool." Then seconds later, he said, "Wait. I thought it already came out."

I did a mental face palm.

A lot of people arent going to engage for at least a year or more. Summer of 2020, they'll start thinking about it.



 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
42. Exactly. The people in this country, for the most part, are clueless when it comes to politics.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 02:12 AM
Apr 2019
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. Let's stomp our feet on the Capitol marble and threaten the buffoon Prez with subpoenas.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:53 PM
Apr 2019

Guarantee we’ll look like losers when it doesn’t go our way. Hopefully, we’ll get some ammunition tomorrow.

trump is the worst Prez in history, and likely for decades into the future. But he was elected by our system, which makes it difficult to unseat the Prez. In most cases, that’s likely a good thing. Painful in this case.

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spike91nz

(180 posts)
41. Up
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 01:55 AM
Apr 2019

Totally agree. Our leaders must demonstrate resolve in defense of the rule of law or be seen as part of the problem.

betsuni

(25,531 posts)
44. What do you mean by "tougher"? Is this about not having votes and saying so?
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:36 AM
Apr 2019

Why would anyone rather have Republicans in charge because Democrats aren't "tougher"? Doesn't make any sense. Is this another attempt at #DemExit #BothSides #ICallDemocratsMilquetoastBeacuseIBelievePropaganda?

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