I heard on MSNBC that the polling data given to

[wasupaloopa]

Russia was about the states trump should not have won.

I think they said MI WI and Penn.

[delisen]

1. Clinton actually won........

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[uponit7771]

2. K&R, not only that they were VSM, Red Gov. and SOS states ... like GA they had pretty ...

... open voter roll etc systems

[Funtatlaguy]

3. It was those three plus Minnesota.

[coti]

4. Yes, and Minnesota.

That Russia directly tampered with votes to ensure electoral victory seems quite possible to me.

[customerserviceguy]

9. Are you saying

that the Russians actively and successfully tampered directly with the vote counts in what are some of the most transparently run states in the country?

Or, is this just a case of Russian propaganda on social media convincing a bunch of pissed off Berniebots to sulk and stay home?

I still don't understand any other possible mechanism that the Russians or any other outside entity could change people from voting for Hillary to voting for Trump.

[displacedtexan]

10. It wouldn't be that hard to cheat 20k votes in each of 3 states.

Are you saying you trust every R in every county in those 3 states not to cheat? I'm not that trusting.

[customerserviceguy]

12. 20K is a lot of cheating

Also, you'd have to have a clue that it would be effective, and the polls were all showing that Hillary had it in the bag.

I blame the media for putting out those bogus polls, it allowed otherwise Democratic voters to say to themselves, "Well, she's going to win anyway, but after the way she screwed Bernie, she can do it without my vote."

Please note, I was NOT one of those people.

[coti]

14. It's not at all if you're just changing around end-result computer numbers nt

[coti]

13. Are you calling me a Berniebot?

WTF is that? I voted for Clinton.

Also, what does the Russians attacking our election- which they did- have to do with Bernie Sanders?

[LanternWaste]

16. That's on you. Alone.

"I still don't understand any other possible.."

That's on you. Alone. And could be changed to include additional possibilities if your curiosity was sincere rather than simply a mechanism to petulantly poke fun at the opinions of others.

"Or, is this just a case of..."
You certainly limit the possibilities in your little world. There are in fact, more things in heaven and Earth, CSG, Than are dreamt of in a philosophy limited only by oneself.



But yeah... instead throw the old 'eighteen ain't old enough to make an informed decision" excuse as a valid exercise.

[EveHammond13]

5. exactly. Manafort said "this is where we are close, can you help

--- get your troll forms focused here"

[Ilsa]

6. I tried doing a little math on trump carrying those three states, and

I didn't know how many precincts there were in all three states. But it seemed like, spread across three states, that only around 40,000 ballots needed to be flipped from Hillary to trump or another candidate, and only a few, like less than ten ballots, in each precinct. That wouldn't be a blip on exit polls.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. The Bots were in overdrive

in two or three Districts in Minny during the later months of 2016.

[The_Counsel]

7. Uh-huh....The Fix Was in, Y'all...

...but we all knew that, right?

[anarch]

11. well

[FakeNoose]

15. Those were the same states that Steve Bannon was watching on election night

He knew exactly which counties had to flip in order for the whole state to go to Chump.
Well how did he know, unless they told him which ones they were flipping?

[Awsi Dooger]

17. Here are the demographic breakdowns in each of those states

This is percentage of the electorate in 2016:

* Minnesota -- 87% white, 4% black, 4% Hispanic
* Michigan -- 75% white, 15% black, 5% Hispanic
* Pennsylvania -- 81% white, 10% black, 6% Hispanic
* Wisconsin -- 86% white, 7% black, 4% Hispanic

For reference, the national breakdown was 71% white, 12% black and 11% Hispanic. Keep in mind that Pew Research had forecast only 69% whites in the 2016 electorate.

I realize people don't like this stuff, as opposed to cynicism and fixation on state polls. But our operatives are incomparably ignorant if they don't understand the big picture. How could we possibly ignore those states, given the numbers above? If whites are shifting away then you might want to pay attention to states with high percentage of whites. Michael Moore was among the few who understood it. The black turnout that savored Obama was hardly guaranteed for Hillary. I didn't even mention Iowa at 90% whites and Ohio at 80%.

The unrest worked against us in 2016, with the right track/wrong track ratio at 2/1 wrong track all year, and the national exit poll indicating only 36% viewed the economy as "good" compared to 62% at "poor." Trump was out there lying to every special interest group imaginable, taking advantage of white anxiety while telling them he'd magically rescue every factory and every job. The actual state of the race was always much tighter than conventional wisdom allowed. The Russian social media brainwashing contributed to making it that tight, and then James Comey pushed everything over the edge.

[triron]

18. And Minnesota. Wonder about Florida.

[Varaddem]

19. Cambridge analytical