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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThese facts are not in dispute:
1. Russia actively worked to get the presidential candidate of its choosing elected president.
2. That candidate and his campaign was actively aware of these efforts by Russia and--at a bare minimum--did nothing to dissuade or stop these efforts.
3. When an investigation about these efforts from Russia was taken up, the candidate--now President--undertook multiple efforts in an attempt to impede the investigation.
Those are things that neither side can deny as being fact at this point.
This is not a political problem. This is a goddamn national security problem and it needs to be addressed with the seriousness it demands.
Balls to the wall.
alwaysinasnit
(5,062 posts)Russian client state.
Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)Lock him up.
(6,921 posts)Although not all they would have liked to get before it was destroyed.
The very little evidence their side has is questionable compared to what Mueller's team presented to the Grand Jury and the judge.
Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)They simply call the evidence fake news.
Lock him up.
(6,921 posts)In proportion. Many lifelong Republicans abandon the sinking ship.
They are wise enough to realize the criminal cabal is taking the same road Nixon took.
The rest of them, the absolute idiots, the QANON morons, nobody will ever change them.
Collimator
(1,639 posts)The Mueller report states that the President gave direct orders to his subordinates to perform actions that would constitute obstruction of justice. It further states that the subordinates in question did not follow through on those orders and therefore justice was not "effectively" obstructed. [quotes mine]
If someone contacts a hitman to kill a human being and the hitman turns out to be a law enforcement officer, the person trying to hire the hitman is not let go because nobody actually got killed. They are still charged with conspiracy to commit murder.
Attempted murder is not treated as a lesser crime because the intended victim managed to escape or pull through after a mortal wound.
The pretender to the Presidency clearly committed crimes against his oath. Those are impeachable offenses. It does not take a legal expert to see that.
Botany
(70,449 posts).... a computer @ Alfa Bank in the Ukraine and that bank is linked to Putin,
the GRU, Wikileaks, Cambridge Analytica, and other "players."
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/was-there-a-connection-between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign
MartyTheGreek
(565 posts)And a son-in-law and daughter in the admin? This is beyond surreal. Barr should resign. Where's MSM on this?
https://www.newsweek.com/so-many-conflicts-so-little-time-1396435
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Botany
(70,449 posts)Is why I think we should take precautions.
1. Go straight to candidates websites for information on them.
2. Learn facts from 4 main sources. Podcasts, newspapers, magazine and books.
3. Slow down and confirm the things you hear or read.
In other words, stuff people should have done last election.
Towlie
(5,322 posts)What you really mean is that they're not in dispute by honest, knowledgeable authorities.
But to simply say that they're not in dispute is to claim that our nation has no problem with credulous citizens who are easily persuaded by right-wing propaganda, and that reduces the argument to a fallacy equivalent to Trump's frequent addendum to his lies that goes "and everyone knows it."
Mc Mike
(9,111 posts)MLAA
(17,254 posts)myohmy2
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