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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 07:54 PM Apr 2019

Charles Pierce: Save the Republic. Impeach the President.

The Mueller Report Is a Challenge to Congress: Save the Republic. Impeach the President.
We surrendered it without firing a shot. Now the way forward is clear.


BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
APR 18, 2019


The results are in the report released by Robert Mueller and his investigators on Thursday. It is a document that shows clearly that every guardian of the republic—especially including the people themselves—surrendered it to an international criminal cabal without firing hardly a shot. Also in that report is a challenge: there is one last chance to avert the threat, and it lies with the United States Congress, and with the people who elected its members. Mueller has dropped it all in the country's lap. He did what he could.

Subpoena them all. Put them under oath and on television. Begin impeachment inquiries on Monday. (You can have the weekend. I'm generous.) Fumigate the entire government because, what we have now, and what Mueller illustrated, is the political equivalent of a plague cell. Fumigate it. Burn its furnishings. This administration is candida auris, the anti-bacterial superbug that The New York Times tells us is running amuck in hospitals.


The man at Mount Sinai died after 90 days in the hospital, but C. auris did not. Tests showed it was everywhere in his room, so invasive that the hospital needed special cleaning equipment and had to rip out some of the ceiling and floor tiles to eradicate it.“Everything was positive — the walls, the bed, the doors, the curtains, the phones, the sink, the whiteboard, the poles, the pump,” said Dr. Scott Lorin, the hospital’s president. “The mattress, the bed rails, the canister holes, the window shades, the ceiling, everything in the room was positive.”



That's the national government right now. Everything in it is positive.

There is no question that the president* is in deep contravention of his oath of office. He has not faithfully executed his office. He has not preserved, protected, or defended the Constitution of the United States. There is hardly a single one of the 400-odd pages on which cannot be found a violation of the constitutional oath.

.............


Mueller's diagnosis is clear and uncompromising. He has given us all the bad news at once and left the choice of treatment up to the patient. And, whether we have the stomach for it or not, it's time to take the painful cure. There is an ancient remedy that was asserted in 1974, by the late Barbara Jordan, Democrat of Texas, the last time the republic was as sick as it is today.

It is wrong, I suggest, it is a misreading of the Constitution for any member here to assert that for a member to vote for an article of impeachment means that that member must be convinced that the President should be removed from office. The Constitution doesn't say that. The powers relating to impeachment are an essential check in the hands of the body of the Legislature against and upon the encroachments of the Executive. The division between the two branches of the Legislature, the House and the Senate, assigning to the one the right to accuse and to the other the right to judge, the Framers of this Constitution were very astute. They did not make the accusers and the judgers -- and the judges the same person....

...James Madison again at the Constitutional Convention: "A President is impeachable if he attempts to subvert the Constitution." The Constitution charges the President with the task of taking care that the laws be faithfully executed, and yet the President has counseled his aides to commit perjury, willfully disregard the secrecy of grand jury proceedings, conceal surreptitious entry, attempt to compromise a federal judge, while publicly displaying his cooperation with the processes of criminal justice.

"A President is impeachable if he attempts to subvert the Constitution."





MORE::
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a27198446/mueller-report-congress-impeachment/





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Charles Pierce: Save the Republic. Impeach the President. (Original Post) kpete Apr 2019 OP
Charles P. Pierce has a way with words. madaboutharry Apr 2019 #1
Speaker Pelosi is routinely referred to as a badass on this board BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #2
Shes a badass at fundraising. Impeachments are off the table. bahrbearian Apr 2019 #5
stop with the arm chair!! If she pushes to impeach and we loose in 2020, will that make you happy? Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #8
If you say so Nostradamus. bahrbearian Apr 2019 #9
If we don't impeach watoos Apr 2019 #11
No, I would not be happy, but Dan Apr 2019 #12
Entirely wrong. Impeachment not based on elections or removal from office. onit2day Apr 2019 #15
Bull. That is getting to be such an immensely tired Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #16
+100000 BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #19
I do not think she has the slightest inclination to push for impeachment. Tipperary Apr 2019 #6
Yup. True mystery. I was respectful and admire Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #18
I truly feel that I have no idea which way is up anymore. Tipperary Apr 2019 #20
Yeah good luck with that. I ain't holding my breath. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2019 #3
impeach the treasonous motherfuckers already! Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2019 #4
"there is one last chance to avert the threat" - An acquittal will not avert the threat. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #7
K & R mountain grammy Apr 2019 #10
Drastic times call for drastic measures. watoos Apr 2019 #13
Thank you, Charles Pierce. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #14
I want to see the motherfucker impeached because I want the truth to come out. smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #17
Who are we going to lose watoos Apr 2019 #21
Our President - Barack Obama... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #22
k&r eleny Apr 2019 #23
More like a cancer cell rather than a plague one and like a cancer cell it must be dealt with cstanleytech Apr 2019 #24

madaboutharry

(40,211 posts)
1. Charles P. Pierce has a way with words.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:05 PM
Apr 2019

"Sarah Huckabee Sanders, a woman who somehow has managed to degrade further a podium behind which Ari Fleischer once stood....."

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
2. Speaker Pelosi is routinely referred to as a badass on this board
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:08 PM
Apr 2019

So I’m sure we have nothing to worry about. A true badass would push for impeachment. Right?

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
5. Shes a badass at fundraising. Impeachments are off the table.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:26 PM
Apr 2019

Don’t they have investigations during impeachment? Isn’t that part of impeachments to uncover evidence.

Thekaspervote

(32,769 posts)
8. stop with the arm chair!! If she pushes to impeach and we loose in 2020, will that make you happy?
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:11 PM
Apr 2019

Not to mention over and over and over ad nasium is the small minuscule the fact that the dotard will not be removed from office due to the repukes in the senate...he will be emboldened..you want that too?

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
9. If you say so Nostradamus.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:27 PM
Apr 2019

Don’t they have investigations during impeachment? Isn’t that part of impeachments to uncover evidence

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
11. If we don't impeach
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:48 PM
Apr 2019

Will you guarantee our victory in 2020?
Trump and Russia will be rigging the election again.

Dan

(3,562 posts)
12. No, I would not be happy, but
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:52 PM
Apr 2019

I prefer we fight and do the right thing - impeach.

My opinion is that if we fail to impeach Trump, the next GOP president (or Dem) with this type of behavior will be worse, and we will have lost everything.

If we lose the election because we tried to do the right thing then maybe we have a bigger national problem than Donald Trump.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
15. Entirely wrong. Impeachment not based on elections or removal from office.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:56 PM
Apr 2019

It's based on accountability and the duty of the congress to hold Presidents accountable for breaking the law. Even so I disagree with both your assumptions. Failure to impeach Bush lost us the House and will again if Pelosi again refuses to do her duty. Trump has lied himself out of winning the next election already. He ran on promises that turned out to be all lies. Medicare, SS, Taxes, Medicaid, health care etc. losing most swing voters and indys. Republicans have nothing but fear and hate. They have done nothing for the country except deregulate and enrich the wealthy...Nothing. Impeachment proceedings bestow massive power to congress to investigate meaning tax returns cannot be withheld etc. and lessens president's powers so he can't pardon or hide information. Have courage. We must do what is right and just...impeach.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
19. +100000
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:01 PM
Apr 2019

Loads of temper tantrums today, and also a lot of people who don’t seem to grasp how our govt functions.

But hey maybe if we stomp our feet hard enough that’ll fix it.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
6. I do not think she has the slightest inclination to push for impeachment.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:58 PM
Apr 2019

I would love to be wrong about that, but I would bet money that I am not.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
18. Yup. True mystery. I was respectful and admire
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:59 PM
Apr 2019

her for years of service no debate. But there comes a time.....

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
20. I truly feel that I have no idea which way is up anymore.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:06 PM
Apr 2019

They have to know how incredibly awful the incriminating information in this report is, but it seems not to matter.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
7. "there is one last chance to avert the threat" - An acquittal will not avert the threat.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:03 PM
Apr 2019

And, an acquittal is pretty much guaranteed.

Trump is without a doubt deserving of impeachment like perhaps no one in history, but we should probably stop pretending that impeachment is going to remove him from office or "avert the threat" that he presently represents.

In all likelihood, barring death or resignation, he will be in office until the end of his term.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
13. Drastic times call for drastic measures.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:53 PM
Apr 2019

Not impeaching Trump should rile up our base and discourage Trump’s base. Oh wait.

Either Trump deserves to be impeached or he doesn’t, anything less is dereliction of duty.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. I want to see the motherfucker impeached because I want the truth to come out.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:57 PM
Apr 2019

But I have to say I am torn. Even though I know it is the right thing to do, I still have that underlying fear that tactically, it could backfire on us.

Then again, we are losing people by the day by our inability to take a strong stance. We have to stand for something. Whatever we do, we will win some and lose some. We just have to decide who are the people we want to keep.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
22. Our President - Barack Obama...
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:31 PM
Apr 2019

Yes, we said OUR PRESIDENT because yes, Barack was the President of All Americans but, he was especially the POTUS for African-Americans. This was a time that we never thought we would live to see. With that....

OUR PRESIDENT was:

-Harassed

-Belittled

-Hamstrung

-Lied On

-Disrespected

-Had His Family Harassed

-Could Not Visit His Family in Hawaii in Peace on CHRISTMAS and in DAMN SUMMER without it being "debated" about the "costs"

-Was told he could not wear a DAMN TAN SUIT!!

-Was told he could not PLAY GOLF EVERY NOW AND THEN (97 Days out of Eight FREAKING YEARS).

-Daughters could not make a teenage mistake w/o it being "National News".

-Had to take it all on HIS SHOULDERS about America's Killing of Young Black Men & Some Women -- when it was NOT his FAULT.

-Had to feel as if he COULD NOT DO DIRECT PROGRAMS for African-Americans -- who voted 97% for HIM in 2008 and 2012 (which is why he won the election the SECOND TIME).

-Had to CONSISTENTLY DEAL WITH BEING TOLD HE WAS NOT AN AMERICAN BORN IN HAWAII!!!!

-Could Not Even Have a DAMN BEER SUMMIT!!!

-And SO MUCH MORE SHIT!!!

Yet, this WHITE CRIMINAL, RACIST, LYING, POS named DONALD TRUMP can Gaslight not only African-Americans but nearly everyone who is not White, Racist and believe in the MAGA BS -- plus run our GOVERNMENT & DEMOCRACY to the Damn Ground but....

We Cannot IMPEACH HIM NANCY PELOSI???? Really Now???

We know he will likely NOT be REMOVED but IMPEACH HIM, NOW!!!

WE WANT ATONEMENT NOW --- For What Was Done To Our PRESIDENT - BARACK OBAMA!!

Period!!!!

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
24. More like a cancer cell rather than a plague one and like a cancer cell it must be dealt with
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:49 PM
Apr 2019

before it spreads to anymore organs.
After that there needs to be a complete investigation into all of Trumps court nominees and I mean a truly in depth investigation.

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