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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQUESTION: What's to stop Russians from helping Trump ..... AGAIN ... in 2020?
And what's to stop Trump for assisting in the help from the Russians?
If there isn't 2 - 4 empirical answers to this question then shouldn't impeachment get a stronger look?
What say you?
Regards
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)That's been the plan all along.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)into every state electoral data base, many to the county level, wasn't for a reason, just wait.
Georgia just bought a whole new electronic voting system with no paper trail. Just enough votes need to be switched, and the russkies have the data base info to do it. I believe they can do that with every single electronic voting system.
Congress needs to double down on gerrymandering and voter suppression. We need to win with such a large margin that no one could believe turdface could win with a 30% approval rating.
Now we need to work on that approval rating. The cultists will never give in, but the rest of the people can deny the truth for only so long....
Also, if we want to see a bona fide constitutional crisis, let the electoral college elect a president with only a 30% approval rating. This country will come to a screeching halt.
At that point the EC will be dealt with.
As I have stated previously, legal or not, I am going to photograph my ballot (whether paper or an electronic screen), with my driver's license and voter registration on top of it. I WILL have proof of my vote.
triron
(22,006 posts)SuprstitionAintthWay
(386 posts)This has been the most unexpectedly, mindbogglingly successful operation the Soviets or Russians have ever conducted against the U.S. It only got them a little of the sanctions relief they were after, granted. But it was instrumental in installing a Putin toady in the American presidency... a level of success previously undreamed of. And the operation also achieved in spades its other goals of greatly worsening political discord in our country, and weakening our democratic institutions and elections.
Nothing is going to keep the Kremlin from continuing to use social media as a powerful, effective tool against us.
My question pertains to the only area they attacked that Dems can really do anything about: Use of email. Russia for certain will hack/is hacking Democratic Party communications again.
When a political opponent has your internal communications and makes the embarrassing and otherwise harmful parts public (timed for maximim impact), and you don't have theirs, you're competing at such a deep disadvantage it will be extremely difficult to win.
How much of 2020-related Dem comms are already in pcs and phones in the form of relatively easily-hacked emails and their attachments? That should be our focus as far as I'm concerned: defending against a repeat of that by the GRU and FSB.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)That's the plan.
Butterflylady
(3,544 posts)The last time we didn't know about what the reds were doing thanks in part to mcturtle. This time we are aware and they won't succeed in the way they did in 2016. Oh they'll be some who fall for their disruption that's for sure. However, if we succeed in getting the people out to vote like they did for Obama I know we'll take this upcoming election.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am not hopeful for 2020. Sorry to sound defeated, but that's how I feeling right now.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)even make it close, campaign like there's no tomorrow, and wipe the floor with the pee-Resident. Bernie certainly fits the bill.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)more serious each day, especially IMO as some normalize it.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)candidate this time around. Putin may think, "Why poison one well when I can poison them both?"
madville
(7,411 posts)"Help" the Democratic primary frontrunner through bots, ads, social media, hacking, etc. Then during the general election let it be uncovered that they have been helping the Democratic candidate and watch the meltdown.
Russia's goal is to cause disruption and paralyze our government, they don't care about the sides they have to play to get that end result.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)durablend
(7,460 posts)Gives Trump all the ammo he needs to cry "FRAUD!!!!!"
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)For the good of the country, he will remain in office until the meddling can be "investigated". It will eventually be "determined" that meddling may have been what caused him to lose the popular vote in 2016 and the entire election in 2020.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)He can try but he will not have a receptive candidate/ team. I see no Democratic candidate who would fall into Putin's trap. I would hope that no Democratic candidate is as morally and intellectually bankrupt, and desperate for power like Donald Trump and his team were.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)In Florida, say.
Then make sure it's "discovered".
Trump and the Republicans will milk that for everything it's worth.
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)Lots of good stuff in the Mueller report on how the Russians pushed Bernie in 2016.
Takket
(21,575 posts)If we just leave drumpf alone. Surely his Russian friends wont do it TWICE.
Johonny
(20,851 posts)honest.abe
(8,678 posts)I would have assumed any of our candidates would be 20 points ahead but from what I have seen its more like 5 points which is way too close and with a little Russian nudge can give it to Trump again.
We need to take a stand and make this election about Trump's "crimes and misdemeanors".
ananda
(28,865 posts)...
ZillyZap
(50 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)ZillyZap
(50 posts)To put it in a nutshell...
Several hundred computer nerds in a warehouse each created dozens of fake social media accounts (personas) and they spread and organized and distributed memes, videos and agitprop.
They dropped 100k into Facebook and Twitter ads.
You can't tell Facebook who they can run ads for.
You can't block foreign IP addresses from American internet.
And then there is the case of history. Before the internet, did the USA use radio broadcasts to influence elections in foreign countries?
Or modern day US Presidents assisting anti-gov't campaigns in foreign elections?
Even Trump picking a favorite in Venezuela.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... the same IC reports right?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)It's the lowest hanging fruit. Put a hundred English-capable computer nerds in a warehouse in Volgograd, and let them get to work on chugging out the horseshit. Automated bots multiply their efforts by a factor of tens or even hundreds of thousands. They can easily shape and change Americans' opinions and actions. That's what the Kremlin did to their own people for decades.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)...was the easiest and out in the open and the smallest in effort not in scope or volume.
The Russians did more than just SM post
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)And I don't deny that they will do it again.
But it's their industrialized shitposting that's 80-90% of the problem. And it doesn't just affect our elections. It affects our entire culture. There are whole movements for "incels" (WTF?!) and escalated white supremacy based on their garbage.
brooklynite
(94,590 posts)Russian interference boiled down to: energizing voters who already didn't like Clinton to vote for Trump, and depressing voter turnout among Democrats (notably African Americans). We need a candidate who's appeal overcomes that.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Jesus could come out of eternity and appear in corporeal form (the way He did the first time) and announce Himself as running for president as a Democrat. He could even perform a few actual miracles. Fox News won't cover it. The rest of the media would express their skepticism. They will tell us that we actually want a candidate who can appeal to the up-and-coming millenials AND the older, more conservative crowd.
ON EDIT: There is no such thing as a "strong" Democratic candidate.
triron
(22,006 posts)any further discussion.
brooklynite
(94,590 posts)1. I knew a week BEFORE Clinton announced; because her campaign team told me.
2. I maxed out to her campaign the day she announced.
3. I had her staff staying in my house (4 blocks from HQ) for over a year.
4. I spent a week working on her campaign leading up to Election Day.
What all that support DOESN'T mean is that I'm so enamored that I I'll ignore tactical mistakes on her campaign's part (verified by discussions with State Party Chairs I know) or the political reality of how voters actually choose to vote. Whether warranted or not, some voters didn't like Clinton personally, and some voters felt sufficiently frustrated by Democratic AND Republican Administrations not addressing their economic concerns that they chose (rashly) to vote for a non-politician, whomever it was.
What other wisdom do you have about me?
spanone
(135,843 posts)If trump cared one whit about America, he would realize the crisis isn't at the Southern Border, it's cyberwar by our enemies.
But he hates brown people more than he loves his country.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)And NOW!
RT Atlanta
(2,517 posts)and to the same damn thing the russians did to our country?
why does the US have to sit back and 'take it?'
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)whiz hackers to meet the russkies at their level.
And our independent American hackers don't give enough of a fuck to help out...
triron
(22,006 posts)Putin's thumb. Putin has been wildly successful so far.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Remember the Republican Senators going to Moscow last year over and over.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,727 posts)because Trump won't let it. The intelligence agencies probably are doing what they can, but Trump should authorize an all-out initiative aimed only at preventing election interference, and of course he isn't about to do that. Some of the states are improving their own election security, which is a good thing, but a lot more is needed.
triron
(22,006 posts)Something is very wrong.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)We did not do that effectively in 2016.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... voter rolls, emails and democratic computers is beyond believing KGOP lies.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and votes by supposed Democrats ticked off by their candidate losing in primaries. Russian lies worked on the percent or two necessary to turn the election.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)The standard is ... "I have no doubt" ... no votes were changed
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)decided to register their protests about their candidate losing in primaries, too many wanted a racist elected, etc.
Most states have taken some action to improve monitoring voting in 2020. I suggest getting out the vote and countering lies by Russians, Iranians, GOPers, ignorant white wingers, etc., as more productive.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Retrograde
(10,137 posts)I believe they've been - and still are - collecting data on all sorts of useful idiots in many key races just in case that information comes in useful at some point.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)lark
(23,105 posts)Right now it looks like the current government is putting out the red carpet to foreign hackers to steal 2020 as well nd you know damn well that is their plan.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)Klobuchar said her bill, which has bipartisan support, to audit the 2020 election and have paper ballot backup in response to the Russian meddling has been stopped by phone calls from the White House. What's that tell ya?!?
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Even if they get caught, they don't. Nothing is done, nothing changes.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION has five of the six positions open. Also, the one position is someone nominated and hasn't been confirmed.
UNITED STATES ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION has only two of the four positions filled.
Found this information from the below link.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-administration-appointee-tracker/database/?utm_term=.d837c7737628
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Oh, wait...