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Why does Nicole Wallace say that perhaps the Trump campaign was "unwitting" (Original Post) triron Apr 2019 OP
I think that Trump is dumb enough that he does not even realize when someone manipulates him question everything Apr 2019 #1
Look at her resume. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2019 #2
Would half-wit sound better ? OnDoutside Apr 2019 #3
Isn't she a Republican? (n/t) SMC22307 Apr 2019 #4
OMG...be careful what you say... I said that yesterday and they jumped all over me. She quit... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #7
LOL She went from a hardcore Bushie to Democrat? SMC22307 Apr 2019 #14
I agree. I don't trust many "ex-Republicans." I have a few who are close friends, but it took a BigDemVoter Apr 2019 #17
I believe she's MurrayDelph Apr 2019 #16
I believe tRump's kids might be unwitting. Cmon, look at them. They're Beavis and Butthead... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #5
Some of them might have been "unwitting" in the sense that they didn't see The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6
I've found that she often throws things out for discussion... cynatnite Apr 2019 #8
"Unwitting" in that they saw nothing wrong in their actions. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #9
So I can commit murder so long as I am amoral? triron Apr 2019 #10
You? No. Trumps, Kushners, Capones, different answer. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #11
What I thought. Damn, good ole American justice. triron Apr 2019 #18
The campaign executives and Donald himself were briefed by the FBI FakeNoose Apr 2019 #12
I think the more correct term would be "witless" anarch Apr 2019 #13
I'll accept "unwitting" in a very narrow sense gratuitous Apr 2019 #15
Reading Mueller s account of Trumps involvement in the trump tower cover-up, it seems Karadeniz Apr 2019 #19
Nicolle is one of the best radius777 Apr 2019 #20

question everything

(47,483 posts)
1. I think that Trump is dumb enough that he does not even realize when someone manipulates him
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:17 PM
Apr 2019

The Russians, Manafort, the rest of them.



 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
7. OMG...be careful what you say... I said that yesterday and they jumped all over me. She quit...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:23 PM
Apr 2019

She's a Democrat now, I think.. I haven't seen her card.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
14. LOL She went from a hardcore Bushie to Democrat?
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:47 PM
Apr 2019

Hmm, people seriously believe this stuff? Perhaps she now fancies herself an Independent...

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
17. I agree. I don't trust many "ex-Republicans." I have a few who are close friends, but it took a
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:01 PM
Apr 2019

LONG time. . . .

MurrayDelph

(5,299 posts)
16. I believe she's
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:59 PM
Apr 2019

an "ex-Republican Independent"

aka "I'm still a Republican in my heart, but I don't want to be lumped in with those people."

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
5. I believe tRump's kids might be unwitting. Cmon, look at them. They're Beavis and Butthead...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:22 PM
Apr 2019

you can't deny it. One blonde, the other black headed. They never did this stuff before. They thought it was cool. They were playing James Bond....

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,714 posts)
6. Some of them might have been "unwitting" in the sense that they didn't see
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:23 PM
Apr 2019

how the Russians were intentionally cultivating them as assets. They were looking only at what the Russians were offering to do for them and not at what they were really doing or why they were doing it. They either didn't see the big picture or didn't care (and I think the latter is more likely). Trump himself probably didn't know what the Russians were really up to beyond the fact that they were giving him Hillary's emails, and that's all he cared about. And the reason he didn't want the Russian contacts investigated after the fact was not so much a fear of criminal liability but revelation of the fact, now established, that the Russians helped him get elected - thereby delegitimizing his presidency.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
8. I've found that she often throws things out for discussion...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:24 PM
Apr 2019

Not that it's her personal belief.

I think this was for the purpose of discussion.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,343 posts)
9. "Unwitting" in that they saw nothing wrong in their actions.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:25 PM
Apr 2019

If they were doing something wrong, they wouldn't be rich.

Affluenza.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
12. The campaign executives and Donald himself were briefed by the FBI
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:38 PM
Apr 2019

They were told in no uncertain terms that they would probably be contacted by Russians or other foreign operatives. They were told to report any contacts to the FBI, and not respond to the feelers. Chump, Manafort, Bannon, Sessions, Flynn, Papadopoulos, and the others knew exactly what they were doing. Maybe the kids were "unwitting," but I doubt it. They only did what their Dad told them to do.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
13. I think the more correct term would be "witless"
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:41 PM
Apr 2019

which I suppose I agree with to some extent. Or perhaps unwitting as far as the motive to destroy the U.S., and seeing Russian assistance as just a leg up on the competition--I'm sure they were "witting" enough to the fact that this is not really very cool, or they wouldn't have lied constantly to cover it up and all.

But I can see the point where the whole family is so stupid they will never realize they are just being used as a weapon, not being elevated to such status by their friends the Russians because of how awesome they are at running the country.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. I'll accept "unwitting" in a very narrow sense
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:55 PM
Apr 2019

And that is that Trump and most of his amateur hour campaign people had and have no idea what government is or does or how it functions. There's no sin in that; I, too, am ignorant of many of the inner workings of government.

But if I were to campaign for office, I'd make real sure I had a couple of experienced hands on my team to ask questions of and get advice from. Trump and his people didn't have even that modicum of common sense. So, when they were contacted by Russian agents offering services of dubious legitimacy, none of them knew that your first call in such a situation is supposed to be to the FBI. Instead, they met with one another to figure out how to exploit the offer to the best advantage, and the people who knew better either kept their traps shut or were ignored when they said the FBI needed to be notified. At that point, we are out of that very narrow path of "unwitting" and speeding toward willful ignorance and illegality.

They didn't know any better. They should have known better. When they knew better, they continued to act like they didn't know any better, and that "unwitting" excuse was out the window.

Karadeniz

(22,521 posts)
19. Reading Mueller s account of Trumps involvement in the trump tower cover-up, it seems
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:15 PM
Apr 2019

They weren't very unwitting. And Manafort was there. He knew the rules. Trumps response, "This is the end...I'm f'ed." When he learned of Mueller s appointment doesn't sound like someone so witless as to not appreciate that his behavior has been hardly blameless. They knew.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
20. Nicolle is one of the best
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:18 PM
Apr 2019

at going after Trump and his crimes.

She was just throwing out a hypothetical for discussion, but her own views are pretty clear that Trump/Barr et al are traitors.

She's a white lady who seems to 'get it' - especially in the era of Trump, where alot of whites seem enabling of him and his movement.

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