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Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:06 PM Apr 2019

KS homeowners allow easement for upgraded power poles in their yards. shocked by HUGE metal towers





WICHITA — Pained words of Pastor William Vann inside Iasis Christian Center competed against industrial clamor of electric transmission line crews operating heavy trucks in the front yard.

Timing of the mid-April intrusion was ironic, because Vann was in a meeting with a Wichita City Council member, a Kansas House member, several local residents and a reporter to discuss the controversial power-pole modernization project initiated by Westar Energy — now known as Evergy — in a low-income residential neighborhood of northeast Wichita.

The church stands amid dozens of metal transmission poles that soar 105 feet above the ground, dwarfing wood poles typical of older neighborhoods without buried lines. Size and location of the double-deck poles fueled anger among residents convinced such giants would never be deployed in an affluent part of the city. Some were planted in front yards a stone’s throw from entrance doors.

Vann wasn’t alone in accusing Westar of engaging in a bait-and-switch approach to placing the poles on private property. He agreed to a new pole in front of the church, but was unaware of actual dimensions. He was recently informed Westar intended to add a transformer in the easement next to the street.

“I was approached ... a year and a half ago about Westar buying some easement of our church property in order to upgrade the power grid,” Vann said. “They did tell me it would be a silver pole. I was not aware how tall it would be or that they would actually bring two more poles along with it. Now, in my 150-foot span of property, I have one, two, three, four, five — five poles out there, because they haven’t taken the old ones down either.”

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And, Finney said, the influx of massive transmission poles were directly responsible for falling residential property values.


“The chances are, if you were to have an opportunity to buy a house, you probably wouldn’t want to buy a house with a 105-foot pole in your yard,” the state legislator said. “As far as property values, recently our appraisal values came out from the county. My property is 5 blocks over and my house is only 9 years old. It went down $5,000 since last year.”
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Westar representatives had moved through the neighborhood a couple years ago buying easements. They apparently paid a few hundred dollars to a couple thousand dollars to homeowners.

“They actually gave me a little piece of money for a wooden pole,” said Abdul-Raheem, a resident and child care provider. “The next thing I know, I have one of these big, huge things on the property. It looked like a monster. When I open my curtain in the morning, that’s the first thing that I see. I didn’t even want to work in my flower bed this morning.”

https://www.cjonline.com/news/20190421/capitol-insider-podcast-mega-utility-poles-lightning-rod-of-controversy-in-wichita-neighborhood




https://www.kansas.com/news/business/biz-columns-blogs/carrie-rengers/article217919675.html

Westar Energy said Monday it would pay more to compensate homeowners upset about larger electrical poles, or even buy their homes, in northeast Wichita.

UPDATED — Westar Energy is upgrading a transmission line that connects three substations in northeast Wichita, but residents aren’t looking at new electric poles as an improvement.

“People are very disturbed about this,” says state Rep. Gail Finney.

Wichita City Council member Brandon Johnson organized a meeting with Westar representatives, area residents and community leaders on Thursday.

“It got very intense,” Finney says.

She says issues include “monumental towers that are in people’s yard,” lost home value, improper compensation and a lack of transparency.

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Retiree Phyllis Peete, who lives near 21st and Piatt, says she and a neighbor were driving down the street when she first saw the poles.

“I said, ‘What is this?’ I thought it was horrible. They were so big, and they’re just blocking everything.”

That’s not her only frustration, Peete says.

“I hadn’t hear anything about it. That’s what gets me.”

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KS homeowners allow easement for upgraded power poles in their yards. shocked by HUGE metal towers (Original Post) Demovictory9 Apr 2019 OP
They're so big blogslut Apr 2019 #1
the purpose of the larger base might be because of the height.... they taper to a narrow top Demovictory9 Apr 2019 #2
I guess blogslut Apr 2019 #5
Interconnecting substations brachism Apr 2019 #7
More ugliness and classism from corporate America. Nt lostnfound Apr 2019 #3
yep. They could create something less ugly if they cared about the community.. Here is a cell tower Demovictory9 Apr 2019 #4
Cool. That'll fit right in with the all Tamaracks and Lodgepoles in Kansas. Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #11
They are all over the place around Topeka. MuseRider Apr 2019 #6
I see a couple of tilted old wooden poles of equal height in the 2nd photo, for comparison. hunter Apr 2019 #8
The smaller wooden poles are for local distribution... SeattleVet Apr 2019 #10
In some of the photos you can see the old, very tall, wooden, three phase high voltage poles... hunter Apr 2019 #14
plus 1000. they put up these ugly poles because of the demographics of the community Demovictory9 Apr 2019 #16
I have some 90 ft transmission lines going thru my property womanofthehills Apr 2019 #9
And also just the enjoyment of their homes. montana_hazeleyes Apr 2019 #12
who want to look at those things every time they went outside. Demovictory9 Apr 2019 #15
No telling what these things to do people's health Raine Apr 2019 #13
Powerlines have been a thing for a LONG time now. Lancero Apr 2019 #18
Beyond the ugly, here's what these residents should be concerned about... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2019 #17

blogslut

(38,002 posts)
1. They're so big
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:31 PM
Apr 2019

It looks like they had to move them further into the owner's yards so they wouldn't be traffic hazards. What's inside the guts of one of those things? Surely the hardware inside doesn't take up that much space.

brachism

(82 posts)
7. Interconnecting substations
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 09:32 PM
Apr 2019
"Westar Energy is upgrading a transmission line that connects three substations in northeast Wichita, but residents aren’t looking at new electric poles as an improvement."


Per the article, these poles are interconnecting substations. I am not a power engineer but did spend 3 years studying electrical engineering in college. The top lines are likely much high voltage (> 100KV) than your typical neighborhood transmission lines (2.4KV-33KV) found on wooden poles. The pole height and ‘beefiness’ are for safety.

Also per the article:

"Westar Energy said Monday it would pay more to compensate homeowners upset about larger electrical poles, or even buy their homes, in northeast Wichita."






MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
6. They are all over the place around Topeka.
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:50 PM
Apr 2019

I honestly don't hate them as much as all this because they stay straight, they do not rot and become dangerous because of that and they will not need frequent replacing like the old wood ones do. It would have seemed they could do smaller poles though. I do not know why they are so big. Remember, this is Kansas. Today, a regular old day with no storms close by we had very strong continuous winds and long gusts for hours of winds in excess of 50 mph. This is not unusual and add it to the storms we get and the winds with them so frequently very strong maybe these will be less dangerous. They are ugly for sure but they stay straight and are not likely to blow over except maybe with a direct hit from a tornado.

JMO and not a terribly informed one either. I would welcome these in my pasture but that is a whole 'nother deal than right up by my house.

hunter

(38,318 posts)
8. I see a couple of tilted old wooden poles of equal height in the 2nd photo, for comparison.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:01 AM
Apr 2019

I presume those old poles are coming out.

The utility gets greater carrying capacity, and the neighborhood gets uglier towers, but possibly greater safety too. I wouldn't want those old wooden poles falling on my house in a storm. Presumably the old poles will be removed when the project is complete.

In places with higher real estate values and politically powerful people, you can bet the lines would go underground, but only if there was absolutely no alternative route... like through this neighborhood.

Less intrusive, doubtlessly more expensive rust colored steel poles exist, reminiscent of the wood poles they replace. I've seen them used in lines of similar capacity in more upscale neighborhoods.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
10. The smaller wooden poles are for local distribution...
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 02:26 AM
Apr 2019

that's what runs into the houses, and it looks like they will be staying. The big metal ones are to carry the juice between substations.

They are set back from the street so they don't intersect with the lines on the poles carrying electricity to the residences.

hunter

(38,318 posts)
14. In some of the photos you can see the old, very tall, wooden, three phase high voltage poles...
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 10:45 AM
Apr 2019

... definitely not residential distribution. Look behind the "STOP" sign in the second photo.

Residential power, cable television, and phone on the shorter wood poles is much easier to put underground.

Putting the residential services underground and using more decorative steel poles for the link between substations might have been a more sensitive solution.

The utility decided to do it this way because it was less expensive up front, and likely less expensive dealing with the fallout of an angry community with little political power.

You can bet no utility would do this in a neighborhood of million dollar homes, or even quarter million dollar homes.

The homes I lived in as a child were working class suburbs. The power poles, dripping tar, were covered with stapled signs for yard sales, lost pets, room rentals, and "business opportunities."

The plainest three bedroom "ranch style" home now sells for a half million dollars in these neighborhoods and the poles are long gone, even the larger lines linking substations.

My wife's parents live in a rural area that's also home to some very wealthy people. The old wooden power polls were succumbing to age and woodpeckers. These older power polls are not being replaced with the least expensive, off-the-shelf, galvanized steel polls. Every section of polls replaced goes through an excruciating planning process, especially in places where wealthier landowners can see them from their homes or out riding their horses.

womanofthehills

(8,719 posts)
9. I have some 90 ft transmission lines going thru my property
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:08 AM
Apr 2019

but they are not near my house. I hate them because they mess with the view. You definitely do not want these near your house because of the magnetic fields. As far as transmission lines go, the higher the better, so you are less exposed to the magnetic fields. i had a choice of 80 ft or 90 ft and I picked the higher. Many studies suggest transmission lines should be 100 ft from a house. I feel sorry for these people - not only for their health but their property values. The lines definitely devalued my place.

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
12. And also just the enjoyment of their homes.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 04:22 AM
Apr 2019

The one home owner said it made him feel like he didn't want to go and tend his flower bed.

This is atrocious in my opinion.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
13. No telling what these things to do people's health
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:21 AM
Apr 2019

as ugly as they are my main concern would be what the long term health effects are.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
18. Powerlines have been a thing for a LONG time now.
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 03:18 AM
Apr 2019

We'd have seen the long term health effects a long time ago.

That said, studies on the matter.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5393013/
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4112260

That said though, even if their are health issues linked to powerlines we couldn't really do much about it. Modern technology kind of requires electricity, so... Yeah.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
17. Beyond the ugly, here's what these residents should be concerned about...
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 02:27 AM
Apr 2019

That is - the easement restrictions.

Power line easements restrict the installation of any elevated item including trees, fences and structures. The higher the voltage of the lines, the wider the easement and increasing probability of enforcement of the restrictions. Technically, a high melon mound in a garden would be a violation if the utility wants to be a bad-ass. Low fences may be allowed with approval of the utility and they sometimes are required to have special grounding provisions.

A good example is a good friend that owns a home in the city with a high-voltage transmission line with huge towers that has an easement going through his back yard, along with a parallel gas line easement. For that line which I estimate is 500kV, the easement could be up to 300-ft. wide, which is likely right up to the back wall of his house. Easement rules therefore would negate the building of swimming pools, tall fences, sheds or garages and any plants taller than low shrubs. Many residents have grown trees on the easement, but they are subject to severe butchering by the utility every few years (they could legally require their removal).

These residents should demand a copy of the easement description and restrictions because it could affect the resale value of these homes. Unfortunately, that may require a complete title search which requires a lot of research for older properites and I was told a profession search would cost around $200 if you pay some guys that do that every day.

Usually when a home sells, it must satisfy all existing easement conditions or else changes must be made prior to sale. For example, my friend (above) has a neighbor that built a garage on the above described easement. The family has been told the garage will have to be demolished prior to reselling the home.

From what I see in the OP's photos, some of these residents may have to remove fences and/or sheds prior to selling their homes unless legal documents are providing the exempt any existing items in violation of the easement conditions.

On the lighter side, perhaps the residents could convince the utility to paint the poles to look like tree trunks....

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