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orangecrush

(19,574 posts)
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:20 AM Apr 2019

The Dilemma of Impeachment

Putin, with the help of Trump, has put the Democratic party at a crossroads.

This is certainly not a decision to be made out of anger, or for political convenience inside of the party for the coming elections.

It is a decision that should be arrived at after taking as much time as is practical, after serious consultation between Democratic leaders and their best strategists.

It shouldn't be a political decision.

It should be the best counterintelligence solution.

The fate of the Republic hangs in the balance.

An awesome weight rests on the shoulders of our leadership at this point in American history.

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The Dilemma of Impeachment (Original Post) orangecrush Apr 2019 OP
It is a no brainer to have open House investigative hearings this summer. DonaldsRump Apr 2019 #1
They have to be formal impeachment investigation hearings, so we can get grand jury info. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #2

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. It is a no brainer to have open House investigative hearings this summer.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:53 AM
Apr 2019

Makes for GREAT summer tv (for example, 1973 Senate Watergate Hearings, 1974 House Judiciary Committee Impeachment Hearings, 1986 Iran-Contra Hearings).

Impeachment can wait for a few months as the true perfidy of what these crooks have done is shown pictorially. Things already seem to be heading that way now.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
2. They have to be formal impeachment investigation hearings, so we can get grand jury info.
Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:30 AM
Apr 2019

From the Washington Post:

In the face of Barr’s decision not to disclose any of the Mueller report to the public or even to the House Judiciary Committee chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D- N.Y.) until Barr and his team have scrubbed the report of grand jury information (and other material), Nadler and committee Democrats have authorized a subpoena for the full report, setting the stage for a court fight over the committee’s right to see grand jury information. Although the public need underlying the request for disclosure in McKeever was much less pressing, the decision in that case undermines the position of Nadler’s committee, because the controlling federal rule contains no exception allowing congressional “oversight” committees to demand access to otherwise secret grand jury proceedings.

One of the exceptions to grand jury secrecy is disclosure “preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding.” To authorize disclosure of the Watergate grand jury information, the special prosecutor’s office argued that the House had authorized its Judiciary Committee to conduct a formal impeachment inquiry and that such an inquiry could be fairly analogized to a “grand jury” investigation and thus a judicial proceeding. Both the district court and the court of appeals agreed, and the Judiciary Committee obtained both the report and the underlying evidence.

Significantly, the appeals court decision several days ago reaffirmed that exception. All three judges agreed that an impeachment inquiry falls within the “exception for judicial proceedings” and “coheres” with other rulings about the proper scope of grand jury secrecy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-full-mueller-report-could-be-released--if-the-house-opens-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/08/e47fff42-5a14-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html

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