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spanone

(135,832 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:30 AM Apr 2019

Connolly threatens to jail Trump officials who won't comply with subpoenas

Washington (CNN)A Democratic lawmaker on Thursday ratcheted up warnings to the Trump administration amid a growing standoff over subpoenas and oversight requests the White House says it will resist.

Rep. Gerry Connolly threatened jail time for White House officials who are declining to comply with congressional committees' efforts to conduct oversight of President Donald Trump's administration. It's the latest salvo in the escalating battle between the White House and congressional Democrats, who have scaled up their oversight requests following the conclusion of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

Connolly, who sits on the Oversight Committee, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room," "We're going to resist, and if a subpoena is issued and you're told you must testify, we will back that up."

"And we will use any and all power in our command to make sure it's backed up -- whether that's a contempt citation, whether that's going to court and getting that citation enforced, whether it's fines, whether it's possible incarceration," the Virginia Democrat added. "We will go to the max to enforce the constitutional role of the legislative branch of government."


https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/gerry-connolly-subpoenas-white-house-cnntv/index.html
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Connolly threatens to jail Trump officials who won't comply with subpoenas (Original Post) spanone Apr 2019 OP
Inherent contempt. Zoonart Apr 2019 #1
Thanks for that spanone Apr 2019 #2
Any time. Zoonart Apr 2019 #3
something i have not heard ... Cryptoad Apr 2019 #34
House sergeant at arms and his staff, drawing upon the Capitol Police and US Marshals, if necessary. RHMerriman Apr 2019 #78
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #11
Thanks a lot! Kind of Blue Apr 2019 #21
It hasn't been used in 85 years NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #28
Thanks, I saw just this info in another post pangaia Apr 2019 #38
Stop talking about jailing and start arresting them. Put those fuckers on trial in the House. LonePirate Apr 2019 #4
I do not care how long it takes True Blue American Apr 2019 #5
Exactly. When the perps start getting subpoenas and stains in their biographies, they'll start erronis Apr 2019 #75
This. Talk accomplishes nothing and the clock is ticking. ooky Apr 2019 #8
+1,000,000 MyOwnPeace Apr 2019 #17
+1 n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #88
Who will do the arresting? Hangingon Apr 2019 #16
That's my question.. Who does the arresting? mitch96 Apr 2019 #29
I don't think the sgt st arms can. Hangingon Apr 2019 #32
"This is a rabbit trail not worth following." mitch96 Apr 2019 #45
See here - BumRushDaShow Apr 2019 #51
If impeachment is in progress... RichardRay Apr 2019 #56
Yes, they can True Blue American Apr 2019 #84
trump could not issue a paRDON FOR A CONGRESSIONAL ACTION. pangaia Apr 2019 #40
"Stop talking about jailing and start arresting them." LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #77
Agreed. Laelth Apr 2019 #87
Just do it, now! MoonRiver Apr 2019 #6
If they start arresting people under Inherent Contempt, they'll have to also Impeach Barr Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #7
He needs to be impeached immediately as soon as he refuses ooky Apr 2019 #9
I agree. At that point he is challenging the basic construct our federal government -- a balance KPN Apr 2019 #26
At that point he's not doing his job. He's a ooky Apr 2019 #47
I had that thought. If Trump is such a risk to impeach LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #25
+1 "Why not go full bore on Barr"+1 mitch96 Apr 2019 #31
+100 Duppers Apr 2019 #43
republican voters don;t even know what a fascist is-- since so many of them are fascists.. pangaia Apr 2019 #41
So perceptions matter more than the truth? Kahir165 Apr 2019 #82
I think you might be responding to someone else? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #92
Great. When? Firestorm49 Apr 2019 #10
Walk the walk don't just talk the talk. blueinredohio Apr 2019 #12
Empty words, at this point. Show some spine. Shrike47 Apr 2019 #13
Congress isn't in session till next week. They dropped the Mueller report when they did for a reason spanone Apr 2019 #15
Yes, and those True Blue American Apr 2019 #86
Let's wait till the subpoena's appearance date occurs why don't we? After that, yeah, KPN Apr 2019 #24
You mean the 5th one or the 3rd one? uponit7771 Apr 2019 #89
The 1st one. KPN Apr 2019 #90
Good loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #14
Absolutely! Bayard Apr 2019 #18
So, there is a place to put them until they agreed to testify! Duppers Apr 2019 #46
put them in cages! joe_stampingbull Apr 2019 #19
I hope we are at a point where we stop talking about "what we will do" and ... KPN Apr 2019 #20
What if they show up and take the 5th? Nt hughee99 Apr 2019 #22
Exactly...game over then. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #50
Is it? I recall an IRS director doing that and no one hughee99 Apr 2019 #63
The House has no power to stop tRumps obstruction but they hold the wallet that pays for everything yaesu Apr 2019 #23
Refuse to finance his criminal enterprise. spanone Apr 2019 #27
The only post here that makes sense. watoos Apr 2019 #30
First on Congress' chopping block... WyattKansas Apr 2019 #37
Even the current House won't do that..... AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #59
That "payback" would still happen Mr.Bill Apr 2019 #61
Look for Trump to encourage his thugs to commit some violent civil disobedience. I think he has jalan48 Apr 2019 #33
Do both, jail them and defund everything until they understand more than empty words neohippie Apr 2019 #35
I believe he is not the first to suggest sometrhing like this pangaia Apr 2019 #36
Extreme measures are needed. Jail the bastards. Pepsidog Apr 2019 #39
Threaten? the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #42
Yeah, what's with always the Threats? tavernier Apr 2019 #70
git off yer duff and do it. AllaN01Bear Apr 2019 #44
Not going to happen.... you can't force testimony. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #48
Then broadcast them.... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #49
Assert in your opening testimony....it shuts it down. Wouldn't be hours. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #52
That's fine with me. the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #55
To what end? The threat was jail.....that's NOT going to happen AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #58
It would be nice... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #53
If it's good enough for Tom DeLay, why not... LanternWaste Apr 2019 #54
Oh God just DO IT coeur_de_lion Apr 2019 #57
LOCK 'EM UP! Liberal In Texas Apr 2019 #60
Yea yea yea....jail one of the F'ers and let's see how that plays out....they will SayItLoud Apr 2019 #62
Don't threaten, do it. triron Apr 2019 #64
shit or get off the pot.......... Takket Apr 2019 #65
He hasn't done it yet! He's had all day to make it happen. Hotler Apr 2019 #66
Lock every last one of these assholes warmfeet Apr 2019 #67
On Nixon Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #68
Can they be removed from their office for refusing via impeachment also? cstanleytech Apr 2019 #69
LOCK EM UP! randr Apr 2019 #71
Please follow up on your threats. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #72
Barr released the Mueller report just before a two week recess by congress. They come back Monday... spanone Apr 2019 #73
Yup! Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #74
The stain of attempting to destroy democracy will haunt every trump actor forever erronis Apr 2019 #76
Lock them up! Nitram Apr 2019 #79
and then trump pardons them the next day orleans Apr 2019 #80
Good. They're ignoring the laws and an equal branch of govt. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #81
Just do it and walk the talk. iluvtennis Apr 2019 #83
It is the Law. True Blue American Apr 2019 #85
its been done once way back when... guess the SCOTUS would uphold it if challenged? samnsara Apr 2019 #91

Zoonart

(11,866 posts)
1. Inherent contempt.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:33 AM
Apr 2019
Washington Monthly provides a review of the legal options open to Congress. Since 1934, the option used has been primarily to “seek a civil judgment from a federal court declaring that the individual in question is legally obligated to comply with the congressional subpoena.” Contempt of Congress is a misdemeanor, with a maximum penalty of a $100,000 fine and a year in jail. But gaining a conviction can easily take months, or even years, of hearings, motions, and delays.

A second option is to make a criminal referral directly to the Department of Justice … but when the attorney general is one of those who ordered an official to disobey a subpoena, that’s not exactly possible.

The third option is inherent contempt. Through that process, Congress can conduct the trial directly, without needing either permission or assistance from the executive or judicial branches. It hasn’t been done in 85 years, but there is absolutely nothing that prevents it from being done now. There was no change of law or ruling of the court that stopped the use of inherent contempt; it just fell out of use because it was inconvenient.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/4/26/1853298/-House-could-revive-inherent-contempt-to-deal-with-Trump-s-defiance-of-congressional-subpoenas?utm_campaign=recent

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
34. something i have not heard ...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:12 PM
Apr 2019

is who is going to enforce this, lock em up and where. by whom?Its clear no part of the executive branch is going to do it, since Trumpster's promise of a pardon for any legal action against those not doing his will.

RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
78. House sergeant at arms and his staff, drawing upon the Capitol Police and US Marshals, if necessary.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:39 PM
Apr 2019

The House sergeant at arms and his staff, drawing upon the Capitol Police and US Marshals, if necessary.

[link:https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/officers-and-organizations/sergeant-at-arms|]

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
28. It hasn't been used in 85 years
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:59 AM
Apr 2019

but, these are unprecedented times and we're fighting against the rise of an autocratic nationalist, so we need to take unprecedented steps to combat him.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
38. Thanks, I saw just this info in another post
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:19 PM
Apr 2019

about another DEM who suggested just this action.

ARREST THE FUCKERS !!!!!!!!

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
5. I do not care how long it takes
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:56 AM
Apr 2019

Arrest just 1. See how fast the rest fall in line. Trump and his mob need a wake up call.


Sure stop the MSM with all their daily quibbling over things that happened 20, 30 years ago.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
75. Exactly. When the perps start getting subpoenas and stains in their biographies, they'll start
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:24 PM
Apr 2019

to see the light.

Pardons won't erase the smirch of being someone who tried to overthrow the government.

Loss of legal/moral standing as well as not being allowed to practice their profession (law, lying, whatever) will be a lot more harmful than a bunch of IOUs from traitorous donnie.

ooky

(8,923 posts)
8. This. Talk accomplishes nothing and the clock is ticking.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019

Tired of hearing "we are going to do this and that" while nothing gets done. Just shut up about it and DO it and I will be way more impressed.

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
29. That's my question.. Who does the arresting?
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:00 PM
Apr 2019

The congressional sgt at arms? Can Barr override the action? tRump pardon the fucker?
How do you put the fear of god into these people so they testify?
m

Hangingon

(3,071 posts)
32. I don't think the sgt st arms can.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:11 PM
Apr 2019

Even if he could, where would he hold him? All other alternatives seem to be in the Executive Branch. This is a rabbit trail not worth following.

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
45. "This is a rabbit trail not worth following."
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:53 PM
Apr 2019

Tweech his own. I find it fascinating how this stuff works.
m

BumRushDaShow

(128,990 posts)
51. See here -
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:10 PM
Apr 2019


Can Congress Jail Witnesses Who Refuse to Cooperate?

By Tessa Berenson and Lily Rothman November 15, 2017

<...>

But, frequently, when the topic of contempt-of-Congress charges comes up, a far harsher possibility makes headlines: the Capitol jail. There is some real history backing up that threat — in that 1821 case, the Supreme Court stood behind Congress’ right to imprison people. But these days, it’s just as likely that the source for the idea is a bit of confusion.

The “Old Capitol Jail” was once a major Washington, D.C., landmark. Most famously, it was used to detain Confederate spies and soldiers during the Civil War era. As one James Joseph Williamson would later recount of his time imprisoned there, “Conditions in the Old Capitol differed in many respects from the prison camps. Prisoners in the Old Capitol were mostly civilians, except where soldiers (either prisoners of war or men charged with offenses), were brought in and kept until they could be sent to places designated; or prisoners from other prisons held over until they could be shipped South for exchange.” But that building doesn’t exist anymore, though its address is still important as the location of the Supreme Court building.

As the House of Representatives’ Office of the Historian has explained, most people in American history who have been held by the House over contempt charges (a very small number to begin with) have not been put in any specific “Capitol Jail.” Rather, they’ve just been put under lock and key within a spare room at the Capitol or even in a nearby hotel.

In a 2003 Senate oral history interview, longtime staffer Chuck Ludlam told the Senate Historical Office that — as part of the work he was doing to advocate for an idea to better enforce subpoenas — he had once spoken to the Architect of the Capitol about the matter, and was told that there was evidence that “several rooms” at the Capitol had been used to guard people at one point or another, but that it’s not clear that any of those rooms would have been only used for that purpose. And one of the rooms that’s most commonly mistaken for a jail at the Capitol (it’s in the basement and has bars) was in fact meant as a possible spot for George Washington’s tomb. But, just because there’s no physical jail doesn’t mean there’s no right for Congress to detain individuals — and in fact the Capitol Police do maintain a holding cell a few blocks away.

http://time.com/5023920/trump-russia-election-congress-capitol-jail/

RichardRay

(2,611 posts)
56. If impeachment is in progress...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:50 PM
Apr 2019

...the House has power to act directly via the sergeant at arms. I believe there are a couple of cells in the Congress building. It would be pretty dramatic.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
40. trump could not issue a paRDON FOR A CONGRESSIONAL ACTION.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:21 PM
Apr 2019

eh, all caps sorry..

I read that yesterday? in a post about this same issue...

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
7. If they start arresting people under Inherent Contempt, they'll have to also Impeach Barr
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 10:08 AM
Apr 2019

For not enforcing the criminal referrals to DOJ, otherwise Congress will get spun as fascists who arresting innocent folks for just following orders.

They can't just jump to arrests for inherent contempt without showing they have exhausted other reasonable measures.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
26. I agree. At that point he is challenging the basic construct our federal government -- a balance
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:54 AM
Apr 2019

of power -- as set out in the Constitution 232 years ago. Are we gonna let this MF erase the basics of a Constitution that has served our nation remarkably well for that many years?

ooky

(8,923 posts)
47. At that point he's not doing his job. He's a
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:03 PM
Apr 2019

damn law enforcement officer! If he won't enforce subpoenas because he's a partisan then he clearly needs to go. We are either a country of laws or not. If the chief law enforcement officer in the country won't enforce laws then why should anyone else have to obey laws?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
25. I had that thought. If Trump is such a risk to impeach
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:50 AM
Apr 2019

Why not go full bore on Barr? Put Trump on the back burner for now. I don't think the deplorables would rise up not even the average Republican compared to if it were against their Dear Leader. At least it wouldn't be as risky politically.

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
31. +1 "Why not go full bore on Barr"+1
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:02 PM
Apr 2019

Get all the low hanging fruit first and get the orange shit stain thinking.. or try to think...
m

Kahir165

(4 posts)
82. So perceptions matter more than the truth?
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 01:49 AM
Apr 2019

Do tell me how bad it looks on gym Jordan that many former athletes are speaking out against his cover up?

Fiendish Thingy

(15,611 posts)
92. I think you might be responding to someone else?
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:55 AM
Apr 2019

Otherwise, your post makes no sense in context with mine...

spanone

(135,832 posts)
15. Congress isn't in session till next week. They dropped the Mueller report when they did for a reason
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:35 AM
Apr 2019

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
86. Yes, and those
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:34 AM
Apr 2019

Ranting about doing something now are not helping the situation.

As posted above wait until the date, then see what happens.

KPN

(15,645 posts)
24. Let's wait till the subpoena's appearance date occurs why don't we? After that, yeah,
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:48 AM
Apr 2019

show some spine and arrest and jail TMFs immediately.

Bayard

(22,073 posts)
18. Absolutely!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:36 AM
Apr 2019

The longer Dems delay on enforcement, the more weak they look. The more emboldened tRump and his minions become.

History:
"This is where inherent contempt comes in. From the Republic’s earliest days, Congress has had the right to hold recalcitrant witnesses in contempt — and even imprison them — all by itself. In 1795, shortly after the Constitution was ratified, the House ordered its sergeant at arms to arrest and detain two men accused of trying to bribe members of Congress. The House held a trial and convicted one of them.

In 1821, the Supreme Court upheld Congress’s right to hold people in contempt and imprison them. Without this power, the court ruled, Congress would “be exposed to every indignity and interruption, that rudeness, caprice, or even conspiracy, may mediate against it.” Later, in a 1927 case arising from the Teapot Dome scandal, the court upheld the Senate’s arrest of the brother of a former attorney general — carried out in Ohio by the deputy sergeant at arms — for ignoring a subpoena to testify."

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/opinion/04tue4.html

There is not a jail under the Capitol:

"One of the rooms that’s most commonly mistaken for a jail at the Capitol (it’s in the basement and has bars) was in fact meant as a possible spot for George Washington’s tomb."

"The “Old Capitol Jail” was once a major Washington, D.C., landmark. Most famously, it was used to detain Confederate spies and soldiers during the Civil War era."

"But that building doesn’t exist anymore, though its address is still important as the location of the Supreme Court building."

"But, just because there’s no physical jail doesn’t mean there’s no right for Congress to detain individuals — and in fact the Capitol Police do maintain a holding cell a few blocks away."

http://time.com/5023920/trump-russia-election-congress-capitol-jail/

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
46. So, there is a place to put them until they agreed to testify!
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:03 PM
Apr 2019

Thanks!!
The problem is, even if they do comply with a subpoena, they will just plead the Fifth.

Our Democratic lawmakers need to pull the purse strings very tightly on them. Dems do have that power and need to use whatever powers we do have, even jailing them and making them plead the Fifth.


KPN

(15,645 posts)
20. I hope we are at a point where we stop talking about "what we will do" and ...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:44 AM
Apr 2019

actually take action immediately when the date for appearance issued in a subpoena has passed ... like immediately after the hearing occurs. Incarcerate the bastards. Taking thin gs to the courts is exactly what tRump wants ... delay, delay, delay.

Be strong elected Democrats ... our/your country depends on it.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
63. Is it? I recall an IRS director doing that and no one
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:53 PM
Apr 2019

Seemed to actually end up in trouble. Another time, a guy who deleted emails under subpoena took the 5th in his deposition, and then refused to show for a subpoena, and nothing seemed to happen to him either.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
23. The House has no power to stop tRumps obstruction but they hold the wallet that pays for everything
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:48 AM
Apr 2019

the orange nazi needs, it time to cut off the brats allowance.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
30. The only post here that makes sense.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:01 PM
Apr 2019

Take away their money.

No one answered Hangingon's question in his upstream post, who is going to arrest them?

I do know that the House controls the purse strings though.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
37. First on Congress' chopping block...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:18 PM
Apr 2019

Air Force One operating money.
No more weekly trips to Mar a Lago or campaign gimmick trips.

He boasts of how wealthy he is and how he wouldn't take a paycheck, so make him spend his own money.
Let him book his own flights and fly coach for all I care. Hell, if he is that much of a distraction of getting pummeled on flights, make him rent a RV and he can motor down to Florida with Melania... Maybe some good ole' Americans will just run/force him off a cliff or he will be busted for road rage after pointing his pistol at other motorists.
WAIT!... He can't be arrested for anything including shooting somebody in the face on 5th Avenue according to the 30% imbeciles running this country.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
59. Even the current House won't do that.....
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 02:07 PM
Apr 2019

The pay back potential...keeping a Dem POTUS grounded if the R's have 1 side of Congress....horrible idea.

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
61. That "payback" would still happen
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:00 PM
Apr 2019

even if the Democrats built a monument to Trump and conceded the election.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
33. Look for Trump to encourage his thugs to commit some violent civil disobedience. I think he has
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:12 PM
Apr 2019

already thought about how he would deal with the jailing of subordinates and using massive social unrest is one of his strategies. How will we deal with it?

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
35. Do both, jail them and defund everything until they understand more than empty words
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:15 PM
Apr 2019

I agree the house needs to enforce their power and show the checks can be financial as well as they have the power to imprison

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
36. I believe he is not the first to suggest sometrhing like this
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:17 PM
Apr 2019

Just DO IT !!!!

PLEASE DEMS, get out there and SCREAM that republicans are traitors for not fulfilling their constitutional duties!

the_sly_pig

(741 posts)
42. Threaten?
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:32 PM
Apr 2019

If me or the missus ignored a congressional subpoena guess what would happen? If you don’t use your muscle, the muscle deteriorates. Time to flex.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
48. Not going to happen.... you can't force testimony.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:05 PM
Apr 2019

Everyone of these idiots can be compelled to appear with the right court order(that could take yrs to achieve) but can sit at the table in the Oversight cmt room and assert their 5thA rights and say nothing.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
52. Assert in your opening testimony....it shuts it down. Wouldn't be hours.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:14 PM
Apr 2019

Lois Lerner was out of her hearing in 15-20 minutes after asserting.

the_sly_pig

(741 posts)
55. That's fine with me.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:36 PM
Apr 2019

The point is to assert authority and force them to show up and expose their cowardice.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
58. To what end? The threat was jail.....that's NOT going to happen
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:56 PM
Apr 2019

..is a poorly thought out threat to begin with. It reinforces the dumpsters claim of "witch hunt" or whatever the freak is calling it now.

It'll take court hearings past the '20 GE to resolve this crap.
Rep Connolly isn't going to put anyone in jail let alone have them arrested. Just not going to happen.

Mike Nelson

(9,956 posts)
53. It would be nice...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:23 PM
Apr 2019

… but I don't think there's much he can do... Congress can stop them from getting paid, but they are so wealthy, it won't matter much. The may be able to vote on condemnations. Trump and the gang will give no taxes, testimony, or anything they don't want to give. I would suggest calling witnesses that are agreeable and look for someone unhappy with the boss. The public needs to see real people talk under oath.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. If it's good enough for Tom DeLay, why not...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 01:26 PM
Apr 2019

"a group of Texas Senate Democrats who fled Texas for Albuquerque, New Mexico for 46 days in 2003 aimed at preventing the passage of controversial redistricting legislation that was intended to benefit Texas Republicans. A group of Texas House representatives, dubbed the Killer Ds, had fled the state earlier that same summer for the same reason.

U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, then a powerful figure in Texas politics, advocated arresting the Texas Eleven, telling reporters that he supported using FBI agents or U.S. Marshals to arrest the runaway Democrats and bring them back to Austin, asserting that redistricting is a matter of federal concern..."






I'm being semi-tongue-in-cheek, as they had weak oranges, and we have 'how-do-like-them-apples?"

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
62. Yea yea yea....jail one of the F'ers and let's see how that plays out....they will
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:49 PM
Apr 2019

all show up when they get their subpoenas. Stop the talk and walk the walk.

spanone

(135,832 posts)
73. Barr released the Mueller report just before a two week recess by congress. They come back Monday...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 08:37 PM
Apr 2019

Let's hope they do follow up.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
76. The stain of attempting to destroy democracy will haunt every trump actor forever
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 09:28 PM
Apr 2019

Whether or not they get to spend time in a cell or get a cheapo pardon.

Their legitimacy and ethics will always be questioned for the rest of their lives.

(I guess there may be a few positions open for a shyster for a mob boss.)

orleans

(34,051 posts)
80. and then trump pardons them the next day
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 11:50 PM
Apr 2019

and that is that

thom hartmann said something about why impeachment hearings are important--because trump cannot pardon anyone related to those hearings or the impeachment process once it has begun.

(i could be mistaken on this, but that was my understanding of what he was saying. i've tried googling and can't find anything specifically related to the cessation of pardoning powers pertaining to this)

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