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spanone

(135,832 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 05:48 PM Apr 2019

Are we in a constitutional crisis yet?

We have an Oversight Committee that is being stonewalled at every level directed by the White House.

The President and his Attoney General are telling subpoenaed persons to 'not show up'.

We have a President that is calling a Republican instigated Special Counsel Investigation an attempted Coup on the United States of America.

We have a majority Republican Congress that supports the President without question or hesitation.

We have a newly appointed Attorney General who ruled that the President was exonerated by the Mueller report. Upon release, we learn

that A.G. William Barr gave a completely distorted version of the reality.

In political science, a constitutional crisis is a problem or conflict in the function of a government that the political constitution or other fundamental governing law is perceived to be unable to resolve. There are several variations to this definition. For instance, one describes it as the crisis that arises out of the failure, or at least a strong risk of failure, of a constitution to perform its central functions.[1] The crisis may arise from a variety of possible causes. For example, a government may want to pass a law contrary to its constitution; the constitution may fail to provide a clear answer for a specific situation; the constitution may be clear but it may be politically infeasible to follow it; the government institutions themselves may falter or fail to live up to what the law prescribes them to be; or officials in the government may justify avoiding dealing with a serious problem based on narrow interpretations of the law.[2][3] Specific examples include the South African Coloured vote constitutional crisis in the 1950s, the secession of the southern U.S. states in 1860 and 1861, the controversial dismissal of the Australian Federal government in 1975 and the 2007 Ukrainian crisis.

Constitutional crises may arise from conflicts between different branches of government, conflicts between central and local governments, or simply conflicts among various factions within society. In the course of government, the crisis results when one or more of the parties to a political dispute willfully chooses to violate a law of the constitution; or to flout an unwritten constitutional convention; or to dispute the correct, legal interpretation of the violated constitutional law or of the flouted political custom. This was demonstrated by the so-called XYZ Affair, which involved the bribery of French officials by a contingent of American commissioners who were sent to preserve peace between France and the United States.[4] The incident was published in the American press and created a foreign policy crisis, which precipitated the passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts. Opposition to these acts in the form of the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions cited that they violated freedom of speech and exhorted states to refuse their enforcement since they violated the Constitution.[4]

Moreover, if the crisis arises because the constitution is legally ambiguous, the ultimate politico-legal resolution usually establishes the legal precedent to resolve future crises of constitutional administration. Such was the case in the United States presidential succession of John Tyler, which established that a successor to the presidency assumes the office without any limitation.

Politically, a constitutional crisis can lead to administrative paralysis and eventual collapse of the government, the loss of political legitimacy, or to civil war. A constitutional crisis is distinct from a rebellion, which occurs when political factions outside a government challenge the government's sovereignty, as in a coup d'état or a revolution led by the military or by civilians.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_crisis
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Are we in a constitutional crisis yet? (Original Post) spanone Apr 2019 OP
Yes n/t handmade34 Apr 2019 #1
It appears we are well on the way... kentuck Apr 2019 #2
The crisis began in 2016 PJMcK Apr 2019 #3
Yes, it will get worse Brawndo Apr 2019 #6
Yes malaise Apr 2019 #4
We have been in a Constitutional crisis sine Trump announced he is running. world wide wally Apr 2019 #5
Yes. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #7
This is a slow rolling crisis that dates back to at least Bush, Jr... Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #8
+5 Truth, & back to Reagan appalachiablue Apr 2019 #11
Funny how during Clinton's impeachment all the media outlets were calling that a crisis. llmart Apr 2019 #9
Don't expect the M$M to rise to the occasion. Haggis for Breakfast Apr 2019 #10

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
3. The crisis began in 2016
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:05 PM
Apr 2019

It's only gotten worse.

Sadly, it's going to get even worse.

I have no hope that our government and country will recover from Trump and the Republicans.

Brawndo

(535 posts)
6. Yes, it will get worse
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:12 PM
Apr 2019

But don't lose all hope for our country recovering. We'll vote him out in 2020, he'll refuse to respect the electoral results, he'll call on his cult to defend him with violence and then they will discover just how hilariously outnumbered they really are. This doesn't end with a republican Utopian kingdom, there are far more of us than them. But, tragically, we will likely have to bleed before we end this nightmare.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
8. This is a slow rolling crisis that dates back to at least Bush, Jr...
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:29 PM
Apr 2019

perhaps even to Reagan. Shit, given that we're still fighting people that worked for Nixon one could date it to the 70's.

The Repub party has been off the rails for decades.

llmart

(15,539 posts)
9. Funny how during Clinton's impeachment all the media outlets were calling that a crisis.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 06:50 PM
Apr 2019

I'm still waiting for our mainstream media to use those terms. Every single day.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
10. Don't expect the M$M to rise to the occasion.
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 07:51 PM
Apr 2019

They are all in trump's pocket. NBC head admitted it out loud that trmp was good for his network. In their complicity, they stopped caring about the better welfare of this nation a long time ago.

True substantial, significant investigative journalism - ala Woodward and Bernstein - is dead.

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