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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCall it "Impeachment". Call it "investigations". Call it "hearings". Whatever you call it: IT'S TIME
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Please, if you find this just weird or just absurd or just funny in a sick way or just typical for Trump and for Fox, stop. This is dangerous. This is a danger to our system. It wouldn't be if it was just one disturbed damaged man, but he has an entire party apparatus behind him.
RynheartTheReluctant
@TheRynheart
Trump Called Sean Hannity to Rant On-Air for 45 Minutes About the 'Coup' Against Him
The president is now openly demanding criminal investigations into his political opponents, whom he claims tried to overthrow his government 🙄 https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27283729/trump-sean-hannity-interview-coup-mueller-report-hillary-clinton/
Trump Called Sean Hannity to Rant On-Air for 45 Minutes About the 'Coup' Against Him.
The president is now openly demanding criminal investigations into his political opponents, whom he claims tried to overthrow his government.
Powerful people are supporting him because he advances their narrow, typically greedy or hateful needs. Some are supporting him because they are weak or think he can protect them or because they think if they don't, he will attack them. (Because they know he will.)
But what these means is that vital checks in our system to prevent the empowerment of people who are so evil, so contemptuous of our democracy, so toxic are not working. Each day this makes this enemy in our midst feel more empowered even as he feels more aggrieved.
He now feels freer than ever to broadcast his racism. He now feels free to attempt to use the power of his office to attack his enemies. He feels freer to lie (if such a thing is imaginable.) He feels free to ignore laws, law enforcement or the Congress of the United States.
He has no vision for this country. He did not set out to destroy or weaken or rig our system (although many of his supporters may have.) He is purely and exclusively self-interested. Scared and desperate to preserve his skin, his wealth, what reputation he perceives he has.
But a man like this, this damaged, this afraid, this at risk for very good reasons, is a cancer in our system. He may not have set out to destroy our democracy but he is in a better position to do just that than anyone since the American Civil War.
We know he knows no conscience or boundaries when it comes to self-advancement and preservation. Why else would he have sought and embraced and defended and rewarded the support of a foreign enemy? That may be the most stunning thing about Trump and Russia.
He was completely willing to sell out the country to our most active enemy to advance his narrow personal goals. He is that devoid of character, loyalty, patriotism or foresight. And for the same reason, he won't think twice about seeking to destroy those he perceives as enemies.
And for that same reason, he won't think twice about seeking to further damage and ultimately fatally undermine our system. And so many people in his party support him and so many aspects of our system have been rigged to empower our president and those close to him...
...that he is well on his way to that goal. Right now, he is above the law...and will be until he held to account. Many realize this, but some in the Democratic Party are hesitant to undertake the divisive business of confronting him. This is a dangerous mistake.
It is exactly like refusing to fight an enemy who threatens us because war is ugly and risky. But when the threat is so real and profound that is the time to stand up and accept those risks as the price we must pay to preserve what we hold dear.
Laugh at him, dismiss him, insult him, simmer in your own disgust for him and you aid him. Try to change the subject and you aid him. Go slow and you aid him. And do all this and you put our system at greater risk with each passing minute.
Now is the time to enforce the law, put violators in jail, launch intensive impeachment hearings, dig for new evidence of his many crimes, make the case and then make it again and again. If the Senate doesn't convict him, fine...a well made case will persuade the public to do so.
If officials ignore their obligations to appear before Congress, seek to obstruct justice further, prosecute them. If they lie to Congress, prosecute them. If they won't cooperate, withhold funding for their programs and salaries.
Trump and McConnell & Co. think playing hardball, trampling over laws and traditions and standards, is just smart politics. We who oppose them must recognize this and that the only thing that will stop them is to successfully use the law to stop them and make them pay a price.
They see hesitation as an invitation to further abuse. We see the evidence for this daily. So, please, this is not the time for hand-wringing. It is past the time even for alarms. It is the time for tough, assertive, aggressive Congressional action.
It is time for the same from federal and state prosecutors. It is time for Democratic candidates to coalesce around agreement that Trump is an existential threat to our country and that impeachment is not a choice but an obligation.
It is time. Or the time the damage done can be easily reversed will pass...soon, much sooner than many seem willing to acknowledge. It is time. Donald Trump and his supporters are a clear and present danger to the United States. It is time.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)kacekwl
(7,020 posts)Soon.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Ive seen/heard enough of this fascist regime, and the time to break it into little pieces is NOW.
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Of course, it would be much easier if so many people on their team weren't second-guessing and sniping at them at every turn.
dlk
(11,574 posts)mopinko
(70,155 posts)Rambling Man
(249 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)They've subpoenaed documents from over 80 people & entities.
Muller is supposed to testify in May.
They've officially requested Trump's tax returns from the IRS.
They've asked members of the W.H. to appear...and all have refused.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)A bust. Barr and others not showing up for hearings. Cummings says WH hasn't turned over any docs.
So. NO. #impeach
CousinIT
(9,251 posts)The Devil and his admin and mobster friends are all refusing. They are lawless. They are breaking the law by refusing.
So, NOW WHAT?
Is the house going to have them arrested and imprisoned until they comply? Fine them? I've heard no such thing.
Guess who's running the IRS? One of The Devil's mobster buddies. Ain't nobody getting those returns.
All this will go on with utter impunity.
And some of it will be tied up on courts for years -- just as The Devil intends.
So. NOW. WHAT?
We don't have procedures for dealing with this level of criminal lawlessness. Trying to deal with it vial "normal" channels when this is SO. NOT. NORMAL. won't work.
Am I second-guessing?
Yep.
PuppyBismark
(595 posts)By the time there is any significant action, the 2020 election will be here and gone. A real focused investigation is the only way to start communicating with the Country that there is something significant.
friend of m and j
(220 posts)any other thing you want to call it - the goal is to get all those Trumpistas testifying in public, under oath, and for the American people to see first hand all the shit that has been going on. There is only a very slim chance that the Congress is going to impeach Trump. Though not likely if the the American people can see and hear all those witnesses maybe we can be surprised by Having 67 Senators vote to impeach and remove him from office. (but as I said , not very likely.)
The Speaker and the great committee Chairmen we have have the power to get that testimony. And it may not be that hard.
I worked for Congressman Jack Brooks in the early 1980's. He was elected from Texas in 1952 (in the freshmen's class with JFK) and by the time I went to work for him he was probably little known outside of Texas and Washington, but he had become a very powerful man. While I was working for him he served as Chairman of the House Committee on Government Operations.
I don't remember what the issue was but I remember he had David Stockman scheduled to testify before the Committee. Stockman at the time was Ronald Reagan's Director of Management and Budget. The Committee was scheduled to start at 10 AM and Stockman didn't show up. Mr. B (who usually had a cigar in his mouth and could be a testy old fart (unlit during hearings) waited until about 10:15 and shouted out "get some Capitol Police (he may have said US Marshals) and go get that young **** and drag his ass over here". In about 30 minutes someone called from the WH or Stockman's office and said Stockman apologized for being detained and was on his way to the committee hearing.
House Majority Leader Tom Foley of Washington, in 1986 said Brooks "is one of the most powerful and effective chairmen in Congress."
We need some of our Committee Chairmen to exert their power like Mr. Brooks did.