45 thinks Lincoln lost the Civil War

[LonePirate]

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Elaina Plott @elainaplott

So the Red Sox's Tom Werner spoke to reporters briefly and said this happened:

Trump "is a pretty good raconteur of history and he did say that, uh—he was talking about Abraham Lincoln losing the war and said ‘Well, I know you guys have lost a game or two, but this was a war.’”

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1. there's actually a theory...

that the north won only by defining it as having ended in 1865 or shortly thereafter.
the north achieved its objectives by keeping the union together and banning slavery throughout.

however, the south arguably won over the longer course by achieving its objective of preserving and perpetuating a permanent social order in which white people were above black people (not to mention men above women, christians above non-christians, straights above gays, etc.).


hopefully, donald fraud is the last gasp of a twisted, moribund worldview.

[dhol82]

7. That theory still says that the North won.

North = Lincoln.
No?

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9. it depends on what you view as "the war"

if you view "the war" as merely the open hostilities part, then yes, lincoln/the north won.

if you view "the war" as a very long term war spanning from the founding of america or even as far back as the first african kidnapping and enslavement on american soil through today, then the open hostilities between 1861 and 1865 was merely one battle in a war the south has arguably won.

so it's possible to view it as lincoln having won the battle but lost the war.

others have described is as the north won the war but lost the peace.


in any event, this is all sidebar. donald fraud is certainly not into either semantics or historical analysis, he's just an idiot who got a basic fact wrong.

[TheBlackAdder]

11. We're talking Trump knowledge. Therer is no way he would even know of a nuanced thought like that.

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That order was brought about by Baptist, Methodist and Presbyterian ministers taking payoffs from the slaveholders to promote the virtues of slavery, from the 1820s through the 1850s and beyond. Before the 1820s, ministers shook down slaveholders for thousands of dollars to get blessings, and slaveholders were abhorred by the Southern communities and shunned from town.

Solution: Pay off a bunch, offer Northern ministers their daughters for marriage, property, money and slaves of their own, and then they started to sell slavery as a virtue, offering Christianity to those headed for damnation. When the slave uprisings of the late 1820s occurred, Whites became afraid so the ministers started to hold two services, one bestowing the virtues of slaveholders and one telling the slaves to be good to their masters, and they will be rewarded in the afterlife. The ministers liked it, because they got to take the last bit of money from slaves, helping to keep them trapped on the plantations.

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14. yes, i know it's just an academic/semantic sidebar, completely lost on donald fraud.

[cynatnite]

12. I've always said the North won the war, the South won reconstruction. n/t

[Brother Buzz]

2. Fredrick Douglas informed the orange anus....

Lincoln surrendered at Bowling Green.

[Atticus]

4. "A lot of people don't realize that Lincoln was a Republican." nt

[Haggis for Breakfast]

10. After the massacre, no doubt.

[demtenjeep]

3. good god

fat donnie can not do one thing


fucking embarrassment

[dhol82]

5. .......

I mean, really -

Leader of the free world.

[Iliyah]

6. raconteur? nope.

shithole is just plain stupid.

[dhol82]

8. Gotta agree with you on that one.

[yardwork]

13. That certainly explains Trump's admiration for Robert E. Lee.

[colsohlibgal]

15. Our Low IQ Prez

Dumb and Evil, hard to find any semblance of empathy in that orange head.

Hard to accurately see how the next 20 or so months will go down, it will be a unique slice of time in our history.