You think you're sickened now, if RBG passes away in the next two years

[misanthrope]

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then the open jubilation expressed by much of this nation will rankle not just you but likely the world. It will be one of the most ghoulish displays America has exhibited in a long history of such things.

EDIT TO ADD: The first dozen or so responses to this post are trying way too hard to find something that isn't here. This isn't a discussion about RBG's actions or decisions in any form but simply the anticipation as to the craven behavior that will undoubtedly be shown by the right wing should she expire during the Trump administration. That's all.

It's not about her. It's about them and their continual lowering of the bar. The current round of Draconian and preposterous state laws regarding women's rights to choose are a vision into the fervency that will cause America's id to even further disgust other nations.

[Skittles]

1. yes

which is why it kills me she did not step down when Obama was president.....enough of this fawning already

[canetoad]

2. Scuse me

But Hillary was going to be President. Don't blame RBG.

[madaboutharry]

3. That was counting chickens.

I think she was selfish. She didn’t want to give up being on the SC. It is a very special life these justices live. I feel she put herself before the country.

[Skittles]

7. CORRECT

there's a lot to admire about her but she should have stepped down by now - I am tired of the endless fawning

[Drunken Irishman]

9. Sadly, it's true...

She should have understood her role and the importance of that seat. Had she stepped down shortly into 2013, there's very little chance that seat is at risk of flipping to a conservative.

Now we just gotta hope she can make it two years - if not longer.

[brooklynite]

42. Let be sure to beat up Thurgood Marshall as well...

...for not stepping down during the Carter Administration...

[madaboutharry]

44. Justice Marshall was only 68 when Carter became president.

Those were different times. Republicans were different. The comparison is silly.

[brooklynite]

47. Remind us of who the replacement was...

[pangaia]

77. Sarcasm, I must assume...

[Skittles]

6. she should have retired regardless of who was the next president

[pangaia]

78. why?

[misanthrope]

14. This isn't about her

It's about decorum and respect.

[StarfishSaver]

21. And left TWO seats instead of one for McConnell to hold open for Trump to fill?

No, thank you.

[Skittles]

51. McConnell pulled his stunt Obama's last year

Obama was president for eight years

[StarfishSaver]

63. He pulled this stunt for the first Obama SC nomination in his second term

You don't think he would have done it if RBG's seat came open in how last two years?

[Skittles]

73. EIGHT YEARS

[StarfishSaver]

76. You think RBG should have stepped down in Obama's first term?

[Skittles]

81. during Obama's TERM, yes I do, absolutely

I remember wishing both she and Breyer would step down because I knew Obama would chose quality replacements

[BeyondGeography]

26. Yup

[lagomorph777]

33. If she'd stepped down during Obama, McConnell would have added another SCOTUS seat to his roster.

How would that have helped anything?

[Skittles]

52. McConnell pulled his stunt Obama's last year

he was president for eight years

[lagomorph777]

62. He would have pulled that stunt more often if he could; he'd use some other justification.

And I don't think the RBG discussion was year-specific.

[StarfishSaver]

64. RBG is only 5 years older than Justice Breyer

So it's interesting that HE's not being subjected to the "should stepped down so he won't dies on the job" insults.

[suffragette]

74. That is interesting. You make a good point.

[Hekate]

39. I notice we don't have Merrick Garland on the Court. Obama couldn't force the GOP to budge.nt

[Skittles]

53. once again

McConnell used the weak excuse that an election was imminent. Obama was president for eight years.

[secondwind]

4. I think Clarence Thomas wants to step down

this summer. I have to say that I, too, wanted Ginsberg to step down under Obama.

Oh well.

[briv1016]

13. There's a good chance both Thomas and Alito retire this year or next.

Especially if Donald's poll numbers start to go down.

[Fla Dem]

23. If there is an opening created NEXT YEAR, a PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR...McConnell Rule prevails.

This is what McConnell established when SCJ Scalia died in 2016 leaving open a vacancy that Trump filled in 2017 with Neil Gorsch. Democrats should stand firm in resisting any attempt of the Senate trying to fill a vacancy in 2020. If McConnell ignores his own rule it will be so very transparent what a crook and thief he is for all of America to see.

[marylandblue]

31. McConnell rule is only for Democratic Presidents. Isn't this already true?

[briv1016]

46. Yea, he wouldn't want to ruin the stellar country-first image he has now.

[rusty fender]

41. Good chance?

Have they even hinted that they want to retire

[briv1016]

45. Thomas has and Alito is only 2 years younger.

Besides, they'll be compelled to if it starts to look like Donald will lose.

[comradebillyboy]

48. Why? They have lifetime appointments.

[briv1016]

50. Because they're both around 70.

Replacing them with 50 year olds buys them an additional 40 years of conservative influence on the court. (Barring random early deaths.)

[fescuerescue]

65. Sheesh. SO Trump could get 3 MORE picks?

That's a total of 5.

Has ANY President ever gotten 5 picks outside of George Washington?

[Skittles]

82. YES HE COULD

and it very much could have been avoided

[misanthrope]

15. Whether she did or didn't, it isn't germane

I'm talking about the deplorables showing their asses for the world to see.

[Brawndo]

43. I know what you're talking about, I've seen it firsthand

Repugs at work, sharing articles about RBG's health. I've seen the jackal smiles of "Men" who salivate at the thought of the passing of an elderly woman. I can't post what it makes me want to do to them.

[misanthrope]

59. No, don't stop them

Don't encourage it but if anything, let them feel even more free to exhibit as much to the public. Let them create backlash without realizing what they are doing.

[MH1]

49. Exactly, the grave-dancing by the scum-wing will be absolutely grotesque.

I think all of us are praying for RBG every day.

[fescuerescue]

68. That's one of the things I like about this site

We never grave dance. We are above that.

[hlthe2b]

5. RBG is worthy of a hell of a lot more respect than is being shown on this thread. That is all.

[Skittles]

8. I'm not disrespecting her

of course there's a lot to admire but SHE SHOULD HAVE RETIRED BY NOW

[madaboutharry]

11. It is not disrespectful to speak of an opinion that is shared by many who also admire her.

No one is disrespecting her or her legacy on the court. But it can not be denied that she was not thinking about the future of the country. She was being selfish by refusing to step down during a time when a liberal seat on the court could have been secured for many decades to come. if she had stepped down at the beginning of President Obama's second term things would not be as precarious as they are now. That is a fact.

[TheRealNorth]

25. Because if she would have retired in Obama's 2nd term

You are betting Mitch McConnel would not have blocked a replacement.

While Democrats held the Senate Majority until 2014, we were still operating with filibusters could block SC nominees.

[LakeArenal]

27. I agree and the reason was discussed openly then

[StarfishSaver]

35. And we would have three Trump justices on the the Supreme Court instead of two

And that third justice would not have been RBG.

I'm glad she stayed.

[madaboutharry]

40. And keep a seat open for 4 years?

Even McConnell would not have gotten away with that.

[TheRealNorth]

61. McConnell was threatening to do just that

If Hillary had won in 2016.

[fescuerescue]

69. threatening and doing are different things

I don't think he could have gotten away with 4 years.

Because payback is a bitch and we would do the same.

16 years of that and the SC would be vacant.

[TheRealNorth]

72. Sure

Because Republican voters are gonna hold him accountable for stances that the Republican base approves of.

Paybacks a bitch only if you are in a place that you can deliver the payback. Mitch and Republicans are fixing the rules so that they will never be held to account.

[fescuerescue]

83. They don't care about the voters

But I'm talking about payback from the Dems in Congress.

[StarfishSaver]

22. Thank you

What's with the "The old lady should have gone away years ago so she wouldn't die on us" insults of one of greatest living heroes?

[LakeArenal]

28. Point!

[Skittles]

54. OMG

drama much?

[mcar]

84. This!

[RandiFan1290]

10. They would love to replace her during an election year too

Just to stick it in a little further.

I agree, she showed horrible judgement by not stepping down in 2009.

[LenaBaby61]

17. I agree, she showed horrible judgement by not stepping down in 2009.

IF the rumors I read were true, her daughter tried to reason with her to step down from the bench in 2009 due to age/health concerns. But RBG 'allegedly' wasn't having any of it.

[Judi Lynn]

12. I regret your need to rally so much resentment for this exceptional woman.

It really couldn't hurt to live with the facts, and hope for the best. We're all acquainted with the situation completely, and can't possibly want to hear how many people want to rail on about her.

What we want is to get to a safer world as soon as possible without losing hope. We NEED to have hope to survive.

[misanthrope]

16. I'm not "attempting" to do any such thing

That was how some people chose to view my comment about the lack of humanity in so many right wingers these days.

[cwydro]

29. You've obviously somehow missed the grave dancing

fests we have here on occasion.

[misanthrope]

60. I am not as regular in this place as many are

Though when I've seen it in the past, I've sometimes commented in sincere disagreement. Other times, I just shake my head and move on.

I didn't agree with people like George H. W. or Barbara Bush, or John McCain but I didn't celebrate their demise.

I couldn't stand Ronald and Nancy Reagan but I didn't "celebrate" their deaths. It just conjured my contempt for them.

The depths to which so many have sunk now in following the example of Trump ensures the "happy feet" would break out for the discussed scenario.

[LakeArenal]

30. Misanthrope:

Synonyms for misanthrope
Synonyms
cynic, naysayer, pessimist

Yep!

[hlthe2b]

20. That is EXACTLY what is happening here. It is shameful, proving only that we don't DESERVE HER.

[Skittles]

55. hoo boy

enough already

[LakeArenal]

32. Why are realists and pragmatists such downers.

This woman has given everything to make it through this crisis.

Thank gawd for her.

[Tipperary]

18. Why make up some future scenario?

Can you not find enough things to worry about in the present?

[MFM008]

19. I love her

But you cant count on living forever.....

[ismnotwasm]

24. The first dozen or so responses are typical of the type

And I agree with you.

[still_one]

34. but, but, those who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016 told us that the SC didn't

matter

[StarfishSaver]

36. It's Hillary's fault that people didn't vote for her. It's RBG's fault that she didn't quit her job

Pelosi is a lightning rod.

Hmmm. Could there be a pattern here?

[still_one]

37. Ya nailed it starfish

[nolabear]

38. I'm not a fan of preemptive suffering. It's not good for us.

I mean that literally. Take it from an old shrink. The brain produces the same stress chemicals with strongly imagined suffering (when you believe it, rational or not) as it does with real suffering. It lowers the threshold for anxiety, interferes with learning, overwhelms coping mechanisms and so interferes with relationships. They become narrow, survival-focused, and age the body and brain considerably.

The need to post something like this might indicate you’re already there and are looking for communication and reinforcement to help your particular way of coping. There’s nothing at ALL to feel bad about with that. I do it. Everyone does to varying degrees. But contrary to what we believe, it hurts far more than it helps.

They’re giving us enough real trauma. We have to hold onto hope and use all the power we have. Hang in there! ❤️ (And I know this sounds preachy but I can’t do it any better.)

[misanthrope]

58. No one is suffering

Once again, what i said is not about Ginsberg in any fashion. No anxiety from thoughts of her demise, no regrets or nail-baiting. We all die and few times are those deaths opportune.

No sweat. Just life. C'est la vie. "Ask not for whom the bell tolls" and all.

It. Is. Solely. About. The. Craven. Display. To. Be. Shown.

In casual parlance, "those pricks are really going to show their asses to world if RBG's death allows Trump to pick a justice." If anything, I find it darkly humorous so many won't be able to prevent themselves from revealing their character to a shocked globe. Look at the trendsetters for their behavior: Trump and McConnell. The acolytes will follow suit, then attempt to rationalize it by falling back on their ostensibly religious beliefs. They can't avoid it.

Let 'em dance and gloat. The more the better. The perversity of them ruining their own reputations will be amusing to me. Highly. Let's call it, "just rewards."

My "need to post something like this" was for others who able to find dark humor in such scenarios. Life is too short not to laugh.

[fescuerescue]

67. That's an amazing fact

That I'm going to take with me from now on.

I've long said that it's bad to "borrow" pain from the future worrying about possible bad things (that we cannot influence). I didn't know until now that's physical and well as Karma related.

[misanthrope]

70. Look up studies on the long term effect of cortisol

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ldquo-stress-hormone-rdquo-cortisol-linked-to-early-toll-on-thinking-ability/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201402/chronic-stress-can-damage-brain-structure-and-connectivity

[nolabear]

71. It's at the heart of PTSD. The limbic system is in overdrive.

Tough stuff. But it can get better.

[Me.]

56. Thank You So Much For Adding Another Layer Of Worry To This Day

[mitch96]

57. "if RBG passes away"

Bite your tongue........
m

[fescuerescue]

66. Need an Amendment limiting the number of SC picks a President is allowed

Trump might get 4 or 5 picks before this is all over.

[PoliticAverse]

79. On the other hand he might get 0 more. n/t

[NurseJackie]

75. But Susan Saranwrap said that Hillary was worse than Trump.

I never want to see that woman again!

[Hassler]

80. I respect her wisdom, but she should have retired.

The GOPee didn't claim the Senate until 2014. Moscow Mitch couldn't have stopped Obama. Reid had already done away with filibustering some judges, and would have for SCOTUS.