If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts?

[DesertRat]

@ carlissc If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can’t deport the mother because she’s carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6 week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we’re going here we should go all in.

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[Delmette2.0]

1. Excellent questions.

Thank you DesertRat!!

[procon]

2. It can only get worse.

Is a miscarriage enough for the state to prosecute?

Can the fetus/person be sentenced to jail if the host body is in prison?

Any death of these fetal/persons would go to the coroner, and the remains of those people have to be properly embalmed and disposed of...how is that destitute state going to pay for all this?

Instead of CSI teams will the state have WSI (Womb Scene Investigation)?

The Handmaids Tale should be required reading. Never was the separation of church and state needed more.

[DesertRat]

35. Under His Eye

[Cold War Spook]

41. I guess they would have to prosecute God.

Would that make God a serial abortionist?

[greymattermom]

3. Paternal DNA can be detected in maternal blood

so the wages of the father can be garnished at 6 weeks. Time to start the lawsuits. Either a 6 week embryo is a person, or it's not. You're right, you should be able to buy a life insurance policy and a legal insurance policy to pay for the legal help you will need if you miscarry.

[MH1]

4. Since she'll be presumed guilty of murder is she miscarries, I seriously doubt she'd collect on the

insurance.



(yes, I know ... the ridiculousness, it burns ...)

[greymattermom]

5. Alabama and Georgia will need to construct

hundreds of prisons for women, and pay the cost per year of an average of 60 years for each woman who has a abortion or miscarries.
Miscarriages are about 25% of pregnancies. Alabama has about 60,000 births a year, so estimate 20,000 miscarriages. Prison in Alabama is cheap, only about $15,000 a year. So the state would need an additional $300 million each year. The continuing costs would last for about 60 years, so this number will increase rapidly. I don't get how they think this would work.

[marlakay]

7. Maybe that's the job plan

Since private prisons are their thing....ugh!

[Jose Garcia]

6. Yes, as long as paternity is not being disputed

[sinkingfeeling]

8. At 6 weeks from conception, there is no fetus. It's an embryo until 8 weeks.

[SunSeeker]

18. Thank you. The forced birth nutjobs lie about this all the time. nt

[DesertRat]

32. Even worse they usually call the embryo a "baby" from conception. nt

[MuseRider]

31. From what I hear around here

it is a baby the moment there is a sparkle in the daddy's eye.

[Thomas Hurt]

9. If you have an older couple...

who have been told that the woman can no longer carry to term and they continue to have unprotected sex, is that negligent homicide when the woman miscarries?

[treestar]

10. I recall seeing in the

Domestic relations code a provision providing for some support during pregnancy.

[moondust]

11. Of course it does.

And the child support continues for at least 20 years until the child is old enough to get a job and no longer be a financial burden on the parent(s). I figured everybody knew that.

[Ms. Toad]

15. Not sure what the sarcasm tag is about - but the GA law does provide for child support

from the moment the heartbeat can be detected.

[StarfishSaver]

27. But it differentiates between child support for a born child and a child in the womb

"Notwithstanding any provision of this Code section to the contrary, the maximum amount of support which the court may impose on the father of an unborn child under this Code section shall be the amount of direct medical and pregnancy related expenses of the mother of the unborn child. After birth, the provisions of this Code section shall apply in full."

Apparently, the Georgia legislature thinks there IS a difference between an embryo or fetus and a born child. Fathers of unborn children are responsible only for "medical and pregnancy related expenses." Child support for born children is determined by a calculation based on the parents' income.

[Ms. Toad]

37. Sort of a meaningless distinction.

Children outside of the womb have expenses that are distinct from the mother's expenses (clothing, food, etc.). Child support is intended to be the father's share of those distinct expenses. The income based calculation is just a tool to apportion the share of those expenses,

Unborn children don't have distinct expenses - so the expense of caring for an unborn child is inherently limited to medical and pregnancy related expenses.

Largely my response was intended to address people who seem to treat as preposterous precisely what is included in the Georgia bill: child support and claiming the unborn child as a dependent on state taxes.

[EffieBlack]

42. A fetus' expenses can't be separated from its mother's expenses because it's not a separate being

The costs attributed to it in this and other bills are the costs the mother incurs as a result of being pregnant, not distinct costs incurred by the embryo/fetus. Another thing that distinguishes the unborn from the born.

[IggleDuer]

12. Is a six-week embryo tax-deductible as a dependent?

[Ms. Toad]

14. Under the Georgia law, yes.

That is expressly included in the bill.

[Ms. Toad]

13. Under Georgia law - yes

Expressly, as to child support. The others are relatively logical consequences of the first.

[aikoaiko]

16. Sounds like good ideas to me regardless.

Once the baby is born and paternity testing is safely conducted, I could see retroactively applying monthly child support and 50% of medical bills.

[trev]

17. Given the direction the GOP is going,

it is my personal opinion that they will eventually ban child-support payments as well.

[AlexSFCA]

30. and all child tax deductions

[trev]

40. Yes. Because they are *family values* people. nt

[patphil]

19. The Government needs to get out of the religion business

Abortion is a personal choice.

[pdsimdars]

20. I saw that kind of legal analysis in the movie "Legally Blond"

[Vinca]

21. Should be a tax deduction, too.

[AllyCat]

22. Child tax credits and insurance coverage?

[Lars39]

44. Life insurance, too.

Hey, why not?!

[progressoid]

23. More importantly, when can the embryo get a concealed carry permit?

[Duppers]

24. K & R

[slater71]

25. Are we now 7 and a half months older than what we are ?

[DesertRat]

33. Yes, birthdays will now be at conception.

That’s when a fetus is viable according to GOP science.

[greymattermom]

26. So what's the legal drinking age in Georgia?

20 years and 3 months?

[fescuerescue]

28. There is no reason an insurer can't insure a fetus.

Perfectly legal.

But insurers enjoy making money, so they don't.

Furthermore, yes. A state could pass a law requiring child support for a fetus. Because passing a law is usually umm legal unless it runs afoul of state or Federal constitutions. But they don't because politicians enjoy getting re-elected.

[tymorial]

29. Racist conservatives dont acknowledge the humanity of nonwhites

Therefore I suspect they lose no sleep due to their utter hypocrisy on abortion and maltreatment of migrants.

[saidsimplesimon]

34. Are we talking scientific logic, history, fact and reason

or the many various religious variations of their "true" story?

[DesertRat]

36. This is GOP "science"

It's a mixture of pseudoscience and religion concocted to control women and their bodies.

[saidsimplesimon]

38. Thank you,

Lunch with my Repub cousin challenged my inner resources to respond with logic. OK, I don't want to admit that members of my family are expressing bigoted political views. I'm ready to let them go. "How long can you tread water?"

[lapucelle]

39. Let's all start taking the tax deduction at 6 weeks.

[smirkymonkey]

43. K&R