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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAmash is at it again. And this thread's a long one.
Link to tweet
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1133410107461689345.html
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)initiate impeachment himself ? Might be more relevant coming from a GOP legislator? What about impeaching Barr, does that start in the House?
hlthe2b
(102,285 posts)to bring several dozen together to sponsor impeachment.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)caucus for years now. No one would accept his leadership.
And, anyway, if you think about it courage, independent thought and principles are what would be needed, and the RW donors finished up 3 decades of purging those from their caucuses most of a decade ago now. Basically corrupted authoritarian followers now. If one gets a brain tumor, maybe he'll call for impeachment on his death bed, as fire insurance.
hlthe2b
(102,285 posts)Do I think they will find a spine and act? No. But, they certainly won't without peers calling them on their cowardice.
We all know the reality, but the question was what can Amash be doing BESIDES his tweets.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)sounding as if early stirrings of a real faction might be happening. "Courage" would come from having a strong authority to follow and a crowd to be part of, energized by fear of losing their jobs and status.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
I'm surprise the GOP has not petitioned the major churches to have the Bible amended to that effect.
For any on DU that have not heard of this one, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eleventh_Commandment_(Ronald_Reagan)
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)authoritarian with top-down hierarchy, but the Republican Party has been internally divided for some while. Not its grand old self by any means.
Wish we knew how all this would end. It really seemed they were committing party suicide two years ago by blatantly betraying their own voters and nation. Possibly what we were really seeing was an inflection point of commitment to securing power and wealth by siding entirely with the ultrawealthy RW and taking over government and the electoral system itself, a direction they'd been heading anyway. They may not be quite at an all hang together or hang separately point now, but seem pretty close.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)and it all exists within a tightly controlled closed bubble - starting with mom and dad, then the preacher, then their boss at work, then a chain of GOP politicians, then president, then their god of choice. Something like that. They have their own RW media, their own RW churches, RW companies to buy products from and a closed group of personal RW friends. No outside people or information allowed.
At 71 YO now, I'm not seeing an end to this RW madness in my lifetime as I watch it worsen around the globe. As you mentioned, it's secretly funded by the ultra-wealthy and all the while, income and asset inequality is getting worse every day.
It all boils down to the GOP having access to an unlimited supply of money from a fairly small group of global plutocrats. Need a cool $107 million for your inauguration? - no problem!
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)anyway, and our history is only of liberty, equality and democracy. We even have that dangerous period and the rather magnificent way they turn it to great advances to look to.
I have hope. With the world's great technological advances, in spite of everything what comes next should be mankind's best era ever.
Qutzupalotl
(14,313 posts)Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of Muellers report and decisions in the investigation, which has helped further the presidents false narrative about the investigation.
After receiving Muellers report, Barr wrote and released a letter on March 24 describing Barrs own decision not to indict the president for obstruction of justice. That letter selectively quotes and summarizes points in Muellers report in misleading ways.
Muellers report says he chose not to decide whether Trump broke the law because theres an official DoJ opinion that indicting a sitting president is unconstitutional, and because of concerns about impacting the presidents ability to govern and pre-empting possible impeachment.
Barrs letter doesnt mention those issues when explaining why Mueller chose not to make a prosecutorial decision. He instead selectively quotes Mueller in a way that makes it soundfalselyas if Muellers decision stemmed from legal/factual issues specific to Trumps actions.
But, in fact, Mueller finds considerable evidence that several of Trumps actions detailed in the report meet the elements of obstruction, and Muellers constitutional and prudential issues with indicting a sitting president would preclude indictment regardless of what he found.
In noting why Barr thought the presidents intent in impeding the investigation was insufficient to establish obstruction, Barr selectively quotes Mueller to make it sound as if his analysis was much closer to Barrs analysis than it actually was:
Barr quotes Mueller saying the evidence didnt establish that Trump was personally involved in crimes related to Russian election interference, and Barr then claims that Mueller found that fact relevant to whether the president had the intent to obstruct justice.
But Muellers quote is taken from a section in which he describes other improper motives Trump could have had and notes: The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong. None of that is in Barrs letter.
As a result of Barrs March 24 letter, the public and Congress were misled. Mueller himself notes this in a March 27 letter to Barr, saying that Barrs letter did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Offices work and conclusions.
Mueller: There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.
To alleviate the misunderstandings that have arisen, Mueller urged the release of the reports introductions and executive summaries, which he had told Barr accurately summarize [Muellers] Offices work and conclusions.
Barr declined; he allowed the confusion to fester and only released the materials three weeks later with the full redacted report. In the interim, Barr testified before a House committee and was misleading about his knowledge of Muellers concerns:
Barr was asked about reports that members of [Muellers] team are frustrated
with the limited information included in your March 24th letter, that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the reports findings. Do you know what theyre referencing with that?
Barr absurdly replied: No, I dont
I suspect that they probably wanted more put out. Yet Mueller had directly raised those concerns to Barr, and Barr says he suspect[s] they probably wanted more materials put out, as if Mueller hadnt directly told him that.
In subsequent statements and testimony, Barr used further misrepresentations to help build the presidents false narrative that the investigation was unjustified.
Barr notes that Mueller did not find any conspiracy to violate U.S. law involving Russia-linked persons and any persons associated with the Trump campaign. He then declares that Mueller found no collusion and implies falsely that the investigation was baseless.
But whether theres enough evidence for a conviction of a specific crime which Mueller thought was appropriate to charge is a different and much higher standard than whether the people whom Mueller investigated had done anything worthy of investigation.
In truth, Muellers report describes concerning contacts between members of Trumps campaign and people in or connected to the Russian government.
For instance, Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Russian lawyer whom Trump Jr. had been told worked for the Russian government and would provide documents to incriminate Hillary, as part of the Russian governments support for Mr. Trump.
Its wrong to suggest that the fact that Mueller did not choose to indict anyone for this means there wasnt a basis to investigate whether it amounted to a crime or collusion, or whether it was in fact part of Russias efforts to help Trumps candidacy.
Barr says the White House fully cooperated with the investigation and that Mueller never sought or pushed to get more from the president, but the report says Mueller unsuccessfully sought an interview with the president for over a year.
The report says the presidents counsel was told that interviewing him was vital to Muellers investigation and that it would be in the interest of the public and the presidency. Still Trump refused.
The president instead gave written answers to questions submitted by the special counsel. Those answers are often incomplete or unresponsive. Mueller found them inadequate and again sought to interview the president.
Ultimately, the special counsel recogniz[ed] that the President would not be interviewed voluntarily and chose not to subpoena him because of concerns that the resulting potentially lengthy constitutional litigation would delay completion of the investigation.
Barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the presidents false narrative to the American people. This will continue if those who have read the report do not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth.
KY_EnviroGuy
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