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A total waste of my time. Very disappointed n/t (Original Post) monmouth4 May 2019 OP
He's a Repuglican. n/t sagesnow May 2019 #1
"If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime we would have said so" -- Mueller brooklynite May 2019 #4
To his core. redstateblues May 2019 #6
I don't have a tv. Was it bad? Chin music May 2019 #2
He's telling Congress CanonRay May 2019 #7
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #8
When do we get to see an UNREDACTED report? Any comment? Chin music May 2019 #10
Certain members of Congress have the right to see EVERYTHING. Now they just have to pry it loose Hekate May 2019 #41
Couldn't agree more. CanonRay May 2019 #43
Mueller explains why he didn't recommend charging Trump -- and it's not because he's innocent hlthe2b May 2019 #3
We knew this already and Red Don will say Mueller doesn't exist or something else crazy. uponit7771 May 2019 #9
That's crazy. Chin music May 2019 #12
+1, whats an Elsbergian moment? tia uponit7771 May 2019 #13
Daniel Elsberg-Pentagon Papers. Chin music May 2019 #18
I think they meant Ellsbergian Celerity May 2019 #19
Yes. Thank you. Chin music May 2019 #26
The news is Mueller telling congress to fuck off... Celerity May 2019 #14
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #17
Did he bring an UN REDACTED copy of the report to the speech? If it's on us Chin music May 2019 #29
You totally miss the point. MOST Americans Don't KNOW THIS! Seeing it on tv makes a difference hlthe2b May 2019 #16
Wow! I hadn't seen that renate May 2019 #21
Most Americans knowing is a red herring since most Americans WONT know this early no matter uponit7771 May 2019 #22
You're venting frustration. I understand and experience that as well. GO find the Amash video... hlthe2b May 2019 #23
Saw all of it it does NOT help, you're talking about socializing information and I'm talking about uponit7771 May 2019 #24
I understand. But I'm not the enemy. I'm done hlthe2b May 2019 #27
Come on, no one said you were. I'm talking about Mueller's words that FAUX News and SHS is high uponit7771 May 2019 #28
The Mueller conference was NEITHER all BAD nor all GOOD. There is some of both. hlthe2b May 2019 #30
I do agree that socializing Red Don is a crook is good for impeachment ... I'm not disputing that. uponit7771 May 2019 #32
He DID NOT say he would not testify before Congress. He said that he would not speak beyond the hlthe2b May 2019 #33
Same effect ... also, that's not the words I'm hearing. I just heard on FAUX Mueller said he hopes.. uponit7771 May 2019 #35
It has already been reported that he does not want to testify publicly but would privately. hlthe2b May 2019 #37
That's not the way I heard it, Mueller didn't qualify his words ... I just heard him on FAUX news... uponit7771 May 2019 #38
"I'm not going beyond this report to congress" means he'd limit his discussions/replies to what is hlthe2b May 2019 #39
I misunderstood what you were saying Faux News was reporting. That is encouraging hlthe2b May 2019 #34
It would be if Mueller didn't come out and tell congress on both sides to screw themselves... uponit7771 May 2019 #36
Mueller said no such thing. He told Congress that he did his job, and now they must do theirs. nt Hekate May 2019 #42
Mueller wimped out. Told us absolutely nothing new. Hoyt May 2019 #5
Well he did tell congress to fuck off, that's new. uponit7771 May 2019 #11
Like he could'nt do that 2 months ago? Wow. Chin music May 2019 #15
THIS !!!! uponit7771 May 2019 #25
I hope we see an unredacted report very very quickly. Chin music May 2019 #31
That's certainly the narrative being thrown at the wall in hopes it sticks. LanternWaste May 2019 #20
Didn't watch it, did you? Bottom line: "I did my job. Now do yours, Congress." Hekate May 2019 #40

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
4. "If we had confidence that the president did not commit a crime we would have said so" -- Mueller
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:11 AM
May 2019

With friends like that.....

CanonRay

(14,113 posts)
7. He's telling Congress
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:29 AM
May 2019

that he won't say anything that isn't in the report, so what's the point of testimony?

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
10. When do we get to see an UNREDACTED report? Any comment?
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:31 AM
May 2019

Seems the flavor is "Use the report that's my statement", then we need the full UNREDACTED report, if that's where we are. Complete report. THEN we can make decisions about what we need to do.

Hekate

(90,788 posts)
41. Certain members of Congress have the right to see EVERYTHING. Now they just have to pry it loose
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:08 PM
May 2019

...from Barr's clammy hands.

Congress -- at least the committees relevant to this investigation -- is working on it.

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
3. Mueller explains why he didn't recommend charging Trump -- and it's not because he's innocent
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:11 AM
May 2019

That statement alone on camera was worth it.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
9. We knew this already and Red Don will say Mueller doesn't exist or something else crazy.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:31 AM
May 2019

The news is Mueller telling congress to fuck off... that's not patriotic.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
12. That's crazy.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:33 AM
May 2019

Do we get an unredacted report? Why is he lecturing America if we didnt get a full report? Sounds like it's time for an Elsbergian moment.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
18. Daniel Elsberg-Pentagon Papers.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:36 AM
May 2019

We need the unredacted report if all this is on the People, and the Peoples Branch. Sounds like he told America, it's every man for himself. I for one heard the report twice. The redactions are obviously key.
If Democrats wait, the republicans will steal the impeachment if the gop decide in congress to impeach before dems. When Justin Amash is left of us, we got troubles.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
29. Did he bring an UN REDACTED copy of the report to the speech? If it's on us
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:13 PM
May 2019

to rely on the report, then, surely he turned over a clean report. An unredacted report needs to find America soon. And from the hands of Mueller/Congress so there's no debate.
We can handle all this, if we have the facts. No fair trying to get us to fight off an attempted coup w one hand behind our backs.
Article ONE. Set's up Congress. It may be time to use all their powers. Especially 'The Purse". We pay for all of this. If they shut the govt down over the next budget, congress should refund select areas and let others wither on the vine. Might as well when we have an EPA so sodden w trumpists and deniers by now, that it's essentially useless, if not giving the wrong data on purpose. Just an opinion.

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
16. You totally miss the point. MOST Americans Don't KNOW THIS! Seeing it on tv makes a difference
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:35 AM
May 2019

Did you watch any of the public forum with impeachment-supporting R, Amash yesterday? TWO of his Trumpster constituents were interviewed afterward and were shocked they knew nothing of what he was speaking with respect to the report though they "watch/listen to conservative news"...

This one line repeated continually on tv news WILL make some impact--among those who are fully yet not willfully ignorant.

renate

(13,776 posts)
21. Wow! I hadn't seen that
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:40 AM
May 2019

That’s real cause for hope. If Fox viewers weren’t even aware of what’s been going on, that explains at least some of the 39%. Even if only a tiny percentage change their minds as a result of finding out what’s going on, that will help.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
22. Most Americans knowing is a red herring since most Americans WONT know this early no matter
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:44 AM
May 2019

... what.

That's not human behavior science in regards to anything written ... the "written" doesn't socialize that much AND Red Don will continue to say Bob Mueller doesn't exist and Pelosi is a bunny rabbit or something else crazy.

HE DID !!

See, just saw Red Don's tweet and he said something totally opposite of what Mueller said !!

What people "know" right now has nothing to do with the fact that Mueller is telling congress to fuck of... naw ... fuck that.

That's disappointing

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
23. You're venting frustration. I understand and experience that as well. GO find the Amash video...
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:02 PM
May 2019

It might well help.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
24. Saw all of it it does NOT help, you're talking about socializing information and I'm talking about
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:04 PM
May 2019

... the fact Mueller said he's not going to go before congress and talk outside of the report.

Apples and potholes....

Mueller's a disappointment and this is some bullshit

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
28. Come on, no one said you were. I'm talking about Mueller's words that FAUX News and SHS is high
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:11 PM
May 2019

... lighting in regards to Mueller speaking before congress.

Now the White House is in on it, its .... VERY ... important that Mueller speaks before congress and now Meuller said he's not.

This is bad.

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
30. The Mueller conference was NEITHER all BAD nor all GOOD. There is some of both.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:14 PM
May 2019

Fox was always going to bastardize what was said, but now there are at least a half dozen DEVASTATING soundbytes that MSM tv, CNN, and MSNBC will replay constantly. Not to mention newspapers and twitter feeds. Not to mention many of our 24 candidates and via their political ads (and PAC ads.)

It will break through for at least SOME people who are currently totally ignorant.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
32. I do agree that socializing Red Don is a crook is good for impeachment ... I'm not disputing that.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:18 PM
May 2019

What was horrible was Mueller saying he's not going to testify in front of congress is gob smacking even

.. FAUX News members who are now highlighting Barrs lies about Mueller's OoJ change.

They aren't bastardizing what Mueller said they actually are now questioning Barr.

EVEN THEY want some answers !!!

Mueller saying he's not going to testify in front of congress is not good.



hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
33. He DID NOT say he would not testify before Congress. He said that he would not speak beyond the
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:23 PM
May 2019

report. While he might try to stick with the report only, I'd bet he'd be hard pressed not to answer to some of the decisions made.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
35. Same effect ... also, that's not the words I'm hearing. I just heard on FAUX Mueller said he hopes..
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:26 PM
May 2019

... this is the only time he has to speak on this matter (sic).

They're not questinging Barr's honesty ... they're sticking Barr's words opposite

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
37. It has already been reported that he does not want to testify publicly but would privately.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:30 PM
May 2019

His statement today is referencing further public statements in the minds of all the analysts I've seen--including those who know him.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
38. That's not the way I heard it, Mueller didn't qualify his words ... I just heard him on FAUX news...
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:32 PM
May 2019

... I'll get the transcripts but Mueller was pretty clear, "... I'm not going beyond this report to congress..."

hlthe2b

(102,357 posts)
39. "I'm not going beyond this report to congress" means he'd limit his discussions/replies to what is
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:33 PM
May 2019

in the report. Again, I'm sure that would be his attempt if/when called, but when pointed questions about decisions made during investigation come up and he's under oath, I'd guess that would be hard to stick to.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
36. It would be if Mueller didn't come out and tell congress on both sides to screw themselves...
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:29 PM
May 2019

... right now they're talking about Barr wont go before the senate either.

Judge Nepoliono is now saying they OLC point isn't really policy because the DoJ charged Clinton with OoJ and lying and Clinton pleaded guilty to lying right before GW took office.

Interesting ...

Hekate

(90,788 posts)
42. Mueller said no such thing. He told Congress that he did his job, and now they must do theirs. nt
Wed May 29, 2019, 01:09 PM
May 2019

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
15. Like he could'nt do that 2 months ago? Wow.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:34 AM
May 2019

If he had a statement, why couldnt this have been done 2 months ago after Barr misstated the report? Wow. Thanks for the updates.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
31. I hope we see an unredacted report very very quickly.
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:17 PM
May 2019

If the report is the 4 corners of our relief, then we need the whole thing. It's a matter of security. Every American deserves the right to see the redactions. Especially names related to the trump admin.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. That's certainly the narrative being thrown at the wall in hopes it sticks.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:38 AM
May 2019

Yet no one every supports these narratives with evidence... as though bumper-sticker slogans were the end-all and be-all of rational thought. Disappointing, indeed.

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