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(2,824 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)With friends like that.....
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)Does he resign immediately? What about Congressional testimony now?
CanonRay
(14,113 posts)that he won't say anything that isn't in the report, so what's the point of testimony?
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Seems the flavor is "Use the report that's my statement", then we need the full UNREDACTED report, if that's where we are. Complete report. THEN we can make decisions about what we need to do.
Hekate
(90,788 posts)...from Barr's clammy hands.
Congress -- at least the committees relevant to this investigation -- is working on it.
CanonRay
(14,113 posts)hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)That statement alone on camera was worth it.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)The news is Mueller telling congress to fuck off... that's not patriotic.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Do we get an unredacted report? Why is he lecturing America if we didnt get a full report? Sounds like it's time for an Elsbergian moment.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)We need the unredacted report if all this is on the People, and the Peoples Branch. Sounds like he told America, it's every man for himself. I for one heard the report twice. The redactions are obviously key.
If Democrats wait, the republicans will steal the impeachment if the gop decide in congress to impeach before dems. When Justin Amash is left of us, we got troubles.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)Pentagon Papers and all that.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Celerity
(43,497 posts)That is my takeaway as well.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)to rely on the report, then, surely he turned over a clean report. An unredacted report needs to find America soon. And from the hands of Mueller/Congress so there's no debate.
We can handle all this, if we have the facts. No fair trying to get us to fight off an attempted coup w one hand behind our backs.
Article ONE. Set's up Congress. It may be time to use all their powers. Especially 'The Purse". We pay for all of this. If they shut the govt down over the next budget, congress should refund select areas and let others wither on the vine. Might as well when we have an EPA so sodden w trumpists and deniers by now, that it's essentially useless, if not giving the wrong data on purpose. Just an opinion.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Did you watch any of the public forum with impeachment-supporting R, Amash yesterday? TWO of his Trumpster constituents were interviewed afterward and were shocked they knew nothing of what he was speaking with respect to the report though they "watch/listen to conservative news"...
This one line repeated continually on tv news WILL make some impact--among those who are fully yet not willfully ignorant.
renate
(13,776 posts)Thats real cause for hope. If Fox viewers werent even aware of whats been going on, that explains at least some of the 39%. Even if only a tiny percentage change their minds as a result of finding out whats going on, that will help.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... what.
That's not human behavior science in regards to anything written ... the "written" doesn't socialize that much AND Red Don will continue to say Bob Mueller doesn't exist and Pelosi is a bunny rabbit or something else crazy.
HE DID !!
See, just saw Red Don's tweet and he said something totally opposite of what Mueller said !!
What people "know" right now has nothing to do with the fact that Mueller is telling congress to fuck of... naw ... fuck that.
That's disappointing
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)It might well help.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... the fact Mueller said he's not going to go before congress and talk outside of the report.
Apples and potholes....
Mueller's a disappointment and this is some bullshit
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... lighting in regards to Mueller speaking before congress.
Now the White House is in on it, its .... VERY ... important that Mueller speaks before congress and now Meuller said he's not.
This is bad.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Fox was always going to bastardize what was said, but now there are at least a half dozen DEVASTATING soundbytes that MSM tv, CNN, and MSNBC will replay constantly. Not to mention newspapers and twitter feeds. Not to mention many of our 24 candidates and via their political ads (and PAC ads.)
It will break through for at least SOME people who are currently totally ignorant.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)What was horrible was Mueller saying he's not going to testify in front of congress is gob smacking even
.. FAUX News members who are now highlighting Barrs lies about Mueller's OoJ change.
They aren't bastardizing what Mueller said they actually are now questioning Barr.
EVEN THEY want some answers !!!
Mueller saying he's not going to testify in front of congress is not good.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)report. While he might try to stick with the report only, I'd bet he'd be hard pressed not to answer to some of the decisions made.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... this is the only time he has to speak on this matter (sic).
They're not questinging Barr's honesty ... they're sticking Barr's words opposite
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)His statement today is referencing further public statements in the minds of all the analysts I've seen--including those who know him.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... I'll get the transcripts but Mueller was pretty clear, "... I'm not going beyond this report to congress..."
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)in the report. Again, I'm sure that would be his attempt if/when called, but when pointed questions about decisions made during investigation come up and he's under oath, I'd guess that would be hard to stick to.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)... right now they're talking about Barr wont go before the senate either.
Judge Nepoliono is now saying they OLC point isn't really policy because the DoJ charged Clinton with OoJ and lying and Clinton pleaded guilty to lying right before GW took office.
Interesting ...
Hekate
(90,788 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)uponit7771
(90,363 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)If he had a statement, why couldnt this have been done 2 months ago after Barr misstated the report? Wow. Thanks for the updates.
uponit7771
(90,363 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)If the report is the 4 corners of our relief, then we need the whole thing. It's a matter of security. Every American deserves the right to see the redactions. Especially names related to the trump admin.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Yet no one every supports these narratives with evidence... as though bumper-sticker slogans were the end-all and be-all of rational thought. Disappointing, indeed.