Progressive groups want Democrats, Pelosi to do more to impeach Trump

[BeyondGeography]

WASHINGTON — Progressive groups are expressing “deep disappointment” over House Democrats’ unwillingness to start impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump and are calling on Speaker Nancy Pelosi to act, according to a letter obtained by The Associated Press.

The groups said in a letter being released Tuesday that voters gave Democrats control of the House “because they wanted aggressive oversight of the Trump administration.”

They said: “The Trump era will be one that evokes the question — what did you do? We urge you to use your power to lead and to stop asking us to wait.”

...The groups signing onto the letter to Pelosi include Indivisible and Democracy for America.

“As Speaker of the House, you have the power to ensure Congress exercises its constitutional obligation to hold this president accountable,” the groups wrote.


More at https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/progressive-groups-want-democrats-pelosi-to-do-more-to-impeach-trump

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. I think Speaker Pelosi is startin to get the message...with most of the major Democratic candidates

pushing for impeachment, I expect it's just a matter of time now... the sooner, the better!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[StarfishSaver]

3. Or maybe she "got the message" all along and has been trying to get the troops to actually step up

It looks like it's the troops who are finally getting the message that they need to do more than just complain to each other about what they think somebody else isn't doing but should instead help generate the support needed to push the public and reluctant Members to get on board - while, in the meantime, Pelosi and her team build the "ironclad case" needed to impeach and make it actually mean something.

[Dennis Donovan]

2. An Impeachment Inquiry isn't Impeachment...

...that would be a good step to take now.

[Demsrule86]

11. If we lose the 20 election and the house...it will be on the left for yet another

loss. Impeachment is not popular...not sure it can even get through the house and will not lead to removal. Any such action will have negative political consequences...those who believe that like in Nixon's times,folks will turn against Trump during an impeachment and insist on removal are naive and need to look at the electoral / Senate maps carefully for what is our real and very perilous situation...Trump could be impeached into a second term and take back the house in 20 if we are not careful.

[StarfishSaver]

4. These groups shouldn't be complaining to Pelosi

They should be marshaling their forces to lobby individual members to support opening an impeachment inquiry since Pelosi can't do it alone - she needs to get 218 votes and she doesn't have them.

That takes more coordination and effort than just sending a letter to the Speaker, but it's much more effective (even if it doesn't get as much attention ...)

[BeyondGeography]

5. Yeah, I know

The Speaker is just passively monitoring sentiment in the caucus, not doing anything to shape it or tamp it down. Right.

[StarfishSaver]

6. That's not what I said

[Hortensis]

7. Dissident groups that sabotage progressivism as these have done

are not progressive.

Dissident groups exist to oppose the big power bloc they exist to oppose. That's where their passion lies, that's why they form, and if even if they could stop they wouldn't because it would erase their reason for existence.

Pick any issue: LW dissident groups oppose the Democratic Party on it -- because we are the center of power. That our party is the center of liberalism and the progressivism intrinsic to it is irrelevant.

As mostly are the actions of the Republicans, who exist to prove why we must be destroyed. Opposing them is our job, but of course we're always either in league with them or our failure to act is responsible for all their evil deeds.

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[BeyondGeography]

8. What they're advocating here is supported by 76% of Democrats

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/impeachment-poll-surges-democrats-trump.amp

Try another line.

[Hortensis]

10. IRRELEVANT even if true. They oppose whatever we do.

Go pick an issue and find out. Think.

People with that weakness start by assuming we're wrong and do quick googles for the material to support it that is always available. Of course most have their favorite, reliable sources.

No coincidence, btw, that almost all have become pipelines for both agents working to elect Republicans and for Russian agitprop and disinfo. After all, they all share the goal of destroying the Democratic Party. A symbiotic relationship.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Yeah, that's it, Russian Stooges for Impeachment

I’ll change the thread title.

Heaven help us.

[Hortensis]

13. Better, go check as I suggested. No matter how

passionately they may argue for the same issues, we must always fail somehow. Like this one. So when searching to see if I'm right, don't forget to read their responses to Republican crimes for those little inputs about how it's only happening because we were too (choose one or more) unprincipled, uncaring, corrupt, incompetent, colluding to stop it.

Btw, I'd left off the pernicious input of the Republican agents who target members of these groups, so I added them. Of course. Republican anti-Democratic propaganda is so powerful and embedded that Russian factories mostly concentrate on augmenting and spreading it.

[StarfishSaver]

9. If they were really trying to be productive and not just get attention or undermine Pelosi

They would actually be lobbying and advocating, not simply sending letters to the Speaker and releasing them to the press as some kind of sign that they're doing something.

I think many, if not most of these groups have members across the country. How many of them have mobilized their membership to contact their Member of Congress (including drafting letters and emails and talking points for them to use)? Perhaps they have - and if so, that's great. But firing off a letter to the Speaker complaining that she's not taking an action that she has neither the power to do nor the votes if they're not doing any real advocacy is ridiculous. That's not advocacy. That's just PR.