I cannot believe that Americans are discussing whether the Con will relinquish office

[malaise]

when he is voted out (if he hasn't resigned before that).
He will be dragged out of the WH if he lasts that long - trust me on that.
Whatever happened to the home of the brave? Do folks really believe that this semi-literate, incompetent moron is bigger than the entire political superstructure?

Spare me please.

[CatMor]

1. Thank you!!!

My thoughts exactly.

[cally]

2. Exactly AND the White House is just a house not the office

of the Presidency with all it's powers. Even if Trump tries to stay, he still loses power, budget, staff, etc.

[democratisphere]

3. The self appointed royal family will be removed from the WH long before the 2020 election.

[Tipperary]

13. Oh yeah?

How is that going to happen? So many predictions here since even before he took office. That he was toast, that he would resign, that he will be impeached, I could go on.

Not one has come true.

[democratisphere]

22. There will be a preponderance of evidence made public about his criminal activity.

So, yeah!

[Tipperary]

24. Hope like hell you are right.

I just cannot believe this abomination we are enduring.

[democratisphere]

33. I'm counting on it. I have faith in Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff with his

investigators to get this job done!

[Tipperary]

47. I appreciate the reassurance, seriously.

But I’m worried.

[LiberalLovinLug]

42. "There will be a preponderance of evidence made public about his criminal activity"

And you really think that will be enough? I think we are beyond that already.

Mueller has gifted them the precedent confirmation that a sitting President can't be indicted unless the AG and Trump's personal lawyer, Barr, gives his okay. And before that you'd have to have a Republican Senate vote for impeachment. And his cult followers have already proven they will follow their fat piper anywhere he tweets, no matter what crimes or perverted or juvenille behaviour he engages in. So Mitch would never allow it to pass.

maybe MAYBE...if in some new witness material came up and he was found out involved in child porn, like his former buddies were, it may shift enough votes. But even then, after Roy Moore, who knows? That or actual proof of murder. Outside of that I don't see what else he can do or be found out about, that's worse than he already has done.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. If he declares the election illegitimate, and Barr's DOJ backs him up...

...what's to stop him? The House could certify the results anyway, however, how can it be enforced by a Justice Dept run by Bill Barr?

[malaise]

7. DOJ would not get another penny to run the office

I dare them to try it.
Get out the vote and run the fascists - if they aren't locked up before that.

[cannabis_flower]

9. Well, Congress might be able to

remove Bill Barr, if enough Republicans are willing to do the right thing, or if enough are replaced.

[struggle4progress]

35. Barr has no legal authority to do that

[Raster]

54. Trump* does NOT have the power nor authority to declare any election illegitimate.

[Turin_C3PO]

5. Exactly!

I keep posting this but if Trump tries to stay in the White House he WILL be dragged out in handcuffs.

[Wednesdays]

19. By whom?

And with what army?

[Turin_C3PO]

21. The armed forces would not support a Trump coup.

The Secret Service also would not support a coup. If that were to happen, our country’s already gone and I refuse to believe that.

[Cartoonist]

29. By the same army delivering subpoenas

Toothless

[PSPS]

6. It is rather silly. People need to unplug from the "outrage industry" lest they become unhinged.

[RoadMan]

41. If someone isn't outraged

it either means they're in on it or they just hate Mexicans more than any other consideration or both.

[Hoyt]

8. Agree completely. He might scream stupid chit, bluster, etc., but he'll be gone. eom

[Merlot]

10. The incompetent moron is only as strong as his republican enablers.

Look at the senate, look at low-barr. That's how he tries to stay in office.

It's not about leaving the physical White House, it's about trying to hold onto power. You can bet he will try any and everything to avoid the legal issues that await him post-presidency.

[mitch96]

11. "He will be dragged out of the WH if he lasts that long"

Lets hope the secret service will do their duty and escort the EX prez aka the apricot shit stain out of the WH and welcome the new prez......
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[unblock]

12. it's really not his call. the president not whoever happens to be sitting in the oval office.

if a democrat is elected and sworn in on january 20, 2021, then that's who the president is, no matter what tantrum donald fraud throws or how much he pouts.

if he convinces the supreme court and/or the armed forces otherwise, then it's not him "refusing to relinquish power"; rather, it's a straight up coup.

[katmondoo]

14. I remember th sadness of seeing JFKs rocking chair left outside the White House after his death.

I would love to see all Trumps private belongings put on the sidewalk outside of the White House.

[klook]

28. LOL, hilarious image! (Trump's stuff on the curb, not JFK's chair!)

Except Trump’s garbage should be hauled off in a Biohazard cleanup truck!

[tazkcmo]

15. Believe it or not

Some were discussing the same thing when Obama was President. Needless to say those people we're stupid, like my brother who had that conversation with me. I asked him if he actually believe that and he said yes he's convinced. I told him he needs to turn off the hate radio and quit reading Alex Jones but if Obama does not step down I'll be right with him to march on Washington to demand he step down. I can't wait to have this discussion in reference to Trump and see what he has to say although it's pretty predictable.

[Caliman73]

46. Goes to show you how viewing propaganda warps your reality.

Why on Earth would anyone ever believe that President Obama did not intend to step down. Unless, of course, you watch Fox and listen to idiots like Limbaugh and Jones who repeat that stupidity.

We can critique some of President Obama's responses, but only a brainwashed fool would even remotely believe that it was within President Obama's character to disrespect the office of the Presidency by refusing a peaceful transition of power.

I don't think that Trump will do it either, but I can certainly see, from the evidence in his life, that he would be more likely to reject the results of an election. Trump has a fear of being seen as a weak loser, which is ironic because that fear makes him act like someone who at the end of the day, will be seen as a weak loser in history.

[tazkcmo]

60. Propaganda.

It's the answer to " how can two people raised by the same parents and what they shared family history be so different?".

[malaise]

55. I suspect that they are the same people pushing this ridiculous meme

[FakeNoose]

16. We need to start eviction proceedings immediately

It's gonna take a long time to get him out!

[nykym]

17. I find it funny

because tRUMP refereed to the White House as a dump!

[mopinko]

18. and yet- the unbelievable seems to happen every day.

it is getting hard to keep my footing. i can understand how people are a little paralyzed by just how insane it has all gotten, and cant help spinning out "what if".
logic no longer seems to apply.

but i do think the marines would escort him out the minute the next prez is sworn in. no matter what. cuz rules.

[Javaman]

20. I can see the news flash now on CNN...

"Inauguration day plus 5: trump still won't leave"

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

23. Dunno... but Russian Nuclear Submarines off Washing DC, New York, Norfolk, and Miami could sway...

[defacto7]

45. or space ships from Vega

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

57. LOL! (good catch! ) n/t.

[Pepsidog]

25. They will drag him out by his ears the disgusting traitor

[homegirl]

26. In

HANDCUFFS!

[Pepsidog]

32. That would make my year

[IronLionZion]

27. It was never about one asshole, I worry about his supporters

many of them are mentally unstable and violent

[Hortensis]

30. He's a coward. He'd try to abuse the system as much as

he could, given a chance, but an uncontestable electoral loss will see him ushered out to the helicopter according to the schedule provided by the people who organize these transitions.

[lark]

31. He is not bigger, but his oligarch pals and PUtin may be that.

The military will support him, it's what they do. If he calls fraud and throws out the results of the election and says he has proof it was tainted by massive Chinese (Ukrainian?) vote hacking and refuses to leave, do you think the military will go against him? I sure don't. They will side with power, following orders is what they do, not think for themselves. I believe we are in far more peril than many believe of drumpf and Russia/MBS/UAE & Israel stealing our next election for the rw and oligarchs everywhere. If their plans aren't successful, do I think he will go willingly - NO. He knows NY will get him if he does so he will absolutely not leave voluntarily before the end of 8 years unless it's leaving for Russia/Israel/SA/UAE, which seems very unlikely.

Our only hope is exposing so much treachery that even reasonable Repugs desert him and IMO an Impeachment Inquiry is needed ASAP. Don't know if that's even possible to make him so toxic that the rich and always repug will desert him?

[CanonRay]

34. I think at this point, no scenario, no matter how wild and crazy, is off the table.

We have a madman in the White House, and millions of cult-like supporters.

[BannonsLiver]

38. Agreed.

I don’t think people need to live in fear of it but to dismiss it outright is foolish. There are any number of legal challenges he could toss out in a close election that could theoretically delay his departure. And with this Supreme Court who knows what would happen if it got that far.

[Brawndo]

36. He will call on his cult and those loyal to him in the military to defend him before this is over

The question is, how many will answer that call? If you think, "He can't do that" I submit to you the events of the last 2+ years. It's not fear, it is recognizing a dangerous likelihood so that we can prepare for it.

[BannonsLiver]

39. I'm not sure how many would show up

But it would probably be in the thousands. We all need to get hip to the fact this is not a political candidate or movement we’re dealing with, it is a cult.

[Brawndo]

44. Exactly. Never do an enemy the service of underestimating what they're capable of.

But the good news is, they are hilariously outnumbered.

[Turin_C3PO]

59. I think most of his base are pure cowards.

Oh, don’t get me wrong, there are some crazies out there capable of causing small time mayhem but nothing major or organized.

[StevieM]

37. If he loses on Election Day I could definitely see him declaring victory anyway.

He will just say that there was widespread voter fraud and he is the rightful winner.

The question then becomes whether his supporters will engage in violence to keep him in power.

[Politicub]

40. He will be a civilian at that point with no presidential power

The WH is just a building. Security will politely make him leave.

[Cosmocat]

43. What you are saying is what people are saying

Whether he actually gets rooted out or not, the point is he won't just leave ...

[sarisataka]

48. What Americans are discussing this

And are these discussions anything more than wild "What if" fantasies?

IF he is voted out he will leave, one way or another. I grow more concerned daily about that vote as I see the same predictions of a sweeping victory that were said in 2015 and 16.

[defacto7]

49. It all comes down to one thing,

For his personal survival he has to win in 2020 and keep the Senate whether by fair means or not... every otber scenario means he's toast; maybe some pushing and shoving but he'd be done.

A military coup, outside military intervention and alien invasion are about the same probability.

[Captain Stern]

50. I can. People have 'discussed' this sort of thing in years past.

Here are some examples of those 'discussions'.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2007/07/31/will-bush-cancel-2008-election

https://www.burrardstreetjournal.com/obama-refusing-to-leave-if-trump-elected/

Yet, here we are.

[watoos]

51. All he needs

is a Reichstag fire, declare martial law, and cancel the election.

There is no guarantee that the military will stop Trump.

[GulfCoast66]

58. Outside of an act of war by congress there is not Martial Law in America.

The Federal Government does not run elections. States do.

The executive branch and DOJ have nothing to do with it.

I do fully expect that if he loses he will resign in the interim between election and new president to have Pence pardon him his crimes.

[onetexan]

52. Lets say come 2020 we have President Biden, and DOTUS refuses to vacate the WH

POTUS Biden can with his vast powers as Commander in Chief call a few good men under his command to haul the Idiot's ass outta there. And there u have it

[GoCubsGo]

53. It just shows you how badly his bullshit has been normalized.

Yes. Sadly, there are a lot of people who think that asshole is bigger than the Constitution and our political infrastructure. That includes the compliant media who have been propping him up all this time. I don't know how much of this is a warning of something more ominous, and how much of it is just pointing out that he's a spoiled, whiny-ass diaper baby, who is going to throw a tantrum because he's a spoiled, whiny-ass diaper baby. I suspect it's the latter, but it has been conflated into the former.

[Enoki33]

56. tRump's record very clearly indicates he will at the very least claim

some kind of fabricated fraud and try a power grab by manipulating his cult base to violence if he deems it necessary. This monster is now in the self preservation fight of his life, and to him the constitution is meaningless. What is debatable is how much support, and from where, he will receive. As has been well documented here, there are dangerous times ahead. Personally l have to believe he will ultimately fail and justice will prevail.

[Skittles]

61. I've said it many times

America is stronger than Donald Fucking Trump