Rep. Ro Khanna just now said Pelosi is trying to convince anti-impeachment Dems otherwise

[eleny]

He just said this to a caller on Thom Hartmann's radio show. So it sounds like she's working behind the scenes to get anti impeachment Democrats in the House to change their minds.

Khanna, a member of the House's Progressive Caucus, appears weekly on the show and takes calls. He just said this about Pelosi in the past few minutes.

[spanone]

1. K&R...

[eleny]

2. His casual assertion about knocked me over

We've all been assuming that Pelosi was against impeachment or impeachment inquiries. I was glad to hear him imply something different.

[StarfishSaver]

7. Not all of us

I've been trying to explain to people here for weeks that there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we can't see from here, likely including a variety of efforts by the Speaker and others to move Members from no to yes.

[eleny]

11. Pelosi's proven skills deserve better than what she's gotten here lately

[StarfishSaver]

15. It's so strange to me that some people here not only assume they know better than she does

but that they are all knowing and if they can't see it, it's not happening.

I can't imagine, for example, going onto an automotive website and arguing constantly with mechanics and insisting that NASCAR drivers don't know how to race (and that I'm in any position to tell them how to do it) - because I own and drive a car and occasionally change my own oil and jumped my cousin's battery once.

[KPN]

26. True. But pressure from the public is helpful in

that regard if, in fact, it is correct that she has been working to change anti-impeachment Dem caucus members’ minds. It’s always important for our leaders to have vocal support for their aims. Criticism IS support for a particular aim. In this case, if in fact what the Congressman said is true, the same aim.

[StarfishSaver]

33. Pressure is important but criticizing Pelosi isn't what's needed.

People need to be pressuring their own Members to change their minds. Calling and fussing at Pelosi is a waste of time.

[eleny]

38. Disparaging her experience and her ability to lead is different from the pressure you're calling for

I've written to her office and the offices of other members of the House to pressure them towards starting an impeachment inquiry. But I don't agree with those here at DU who feel she's incapable of making a good decision on impeachment. It's because right now there aren't enough Dems in the House that would vote for it. I was glad to hear Rep. Khanna's assertion about her activities behind the scenes.

[pazzyanne]

36. Amen!

[samnsara]

63. i agree...strength comes in many forms and isnt always a strong wind..

...sometimes its a gentle breeze.

[StarfishSaver]

66. +1000

[EffieBlack]

14. Yes, you've been telling us this

And your perspective has been very helpful, despite the pushback you’ve been getting from a small group of presumed know-it-alls.

[cwydro]

67. I guess Nadler, Warren, Rather, Dean, and others are all just "know-it-alls."

Y’all funny.

[EffieBlack]

71. Nadler agrees with Starfish

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116hres430ih/xml/BILLS-116hres430ih.xml

Try to keep up.

[cwydro]

73. Oh, no doubt they're best buds - Nadler and Starfish.

All these educated and political people either “agree with Starfish” or are terribly misguided.

Got it. Again, y’all funny.

[EffieBlack]

74. Lol

When all else fails and you have no rational comeback, say what you just did ... over and over ... and hope no one notices you have nothing useful to add.

[Tipperary]

72. Oh we certainly have some know it alls here.

No doubt about that.

[MFGsunny]

28. Amen! n/t

[LiberalFighter]

61. I agree. Her job is difficult and getting all of them on the same page takes time.

A little bit of feather works better than an anvil.

[spanone]

12. 👍🏼 Me too!

[Cirque du So-What]

3. I hope armchair quarterbacks take notice

and cease the frantic handwringing that happens when one of our leaders doesn't perform to their complete satisfaction. Madame Speaker's got this!

[eleny]

9. I've been wondering if she's engineering the pace of Dem announcements of their change of heart

We're still only in double digits of House members who are pro hearings of any kind. But if I recall right those numbers don't bobble but are going up little by little.

[mopinko]

16. i hope so. if not,

well, my worst fears.

i suspect that is the case, tho. my rep is all in, but not in the count. she is very close to the speaker, but i have to suspect she would be out there if she thought she needed to be pressured.

everybody loves a countdown.
it would def be a winning strategy.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Words like "frantic handwringing" are so uncool and

Inflammatory!

[Cirque du So-What]

35. You'd probably find the words I wanted to use even more uncool & inflammatory

I don't have much patience with those who accuse Democratic leaders of spinelessness or outright capitulation. Now THAT's uncool and definitely inflammatory...to me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. Who used those words? Certainly don't condone.

[eleny]

40. If people are hand wringing over what's happening to our government I wouldn't blame them

I've been doing a whole lot of it myself. Being old and having the benefit of perspective is a good thing but it also makes me realize how much damn time it can take for justice to happen. And sometimes, as in the case of the Bush administrations, it never happens.

What sours me is the questioning of Pelosi's ability to lead. She's a precise tactician. So I find myself reaching for patience and being rewarded by the ever increasing numbers of Dem House members announcing that they now support an inquiry.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. I still think all the frustration is directed her way for

The simple reason it's apparent she is the sole decider. I am so curious, although I will probably never know, of the 235 Dems in the house who haven't come out for starting the impeachment process, are they in that position because they are following her lead and rationale (i.e. waiting for green light)? Or are they truly undecided? Or do they have their own personal reasons for being against it (retribution in their district) ?

[eleny]

44. I think retribution plays a role for some of the members

For some others, like Swalwell, I'm stumped.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

46. I agree ! But do find it interesting. He wants to

Start with Mnuchin and Barr. Would like to hear more about why he is thinking that

[Laura PourMeADrink]

52. I honestly can not understand a mentality of holding

an impeachment inquiry against a particular party unless it's for an unfounded reason, like blow job lying when you thought it wasn't sexual intercourse. I do understand someone holding what they may think are fishing expedition hearings though. What people don't hear is how we have formulated and advanced many bills to help our people that are dead ended.

[EffieBlack]

45. You think she's "the sole decider" on impeachment?

Well, that explains an awful lot ...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. Can I say Goooo awayyyy? Lol

[EffieBlack]

48. You can say anything you liiiiiiiike ...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. Lol

[corbettkroehler]

4. Nancy Knows That The Long Game Is The Only Way To Overcome The Faux News Noise Machine

No matter how much truth the Dems have on their side, the onslaught of slimy lies which will flow as soon as articles pass the House will require the maximum type and volume of political ordnance.

None of the precedents of Clinton's impeachment will mean a thing. We had no Faux News at that time.

[wryter2000]

6. I think we had Fox then.

Nixon didn't have Fox.

[corbettkroehler]

8. I Stand Corrected

Wikipedia cites a founding year of 1996. Thanks for that.

[eleny]

10. I recall Ken Starr being a sort of one man Fox-type news back then!

[wryter2000]

5. I believe it

Imagine how crippling it would be to attempt to impeach Trump and lose in the House.

[PufPuf23]

13. This is a great sign. Khanna is a good representitive. Smart guy.

Here is the wiki overview of his life and career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro_Khanna

[CentralMass]

17. There seems to be differing schools of thought on this.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/04/politics/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-trump/index.html
Nancy Pelosi is winning the impeachment fight

In this case her fight is against impeachment .

[eleny]

18. I wonder what prompted Khanna to assert the opposite with such confidence

Meantime, the pro-I numbers in the House keep going up.

[StarfishSaver]

19. A sitting Democratic Rep speaking on the record vs. a snarky online op-ed piece by Chris Cillizza

doesn't really qualify for me as "differing schools of thoughts."

[CentralMass]

20. I can completely see your point but what or who made Jim Clyburn change his mind :?

[StarfishSaver]

21. Congressman Clyburn is a grown, smart man. Maybe HE changed his mind.

[CentralMass]

23. Well then. Following the logic of this thread that the Speaker is convincing members towards pro

impeachment, it seems odd the Congressman Clyburn would change from pro impeachment to anti.

As I said. The pundits seem to be writing the narrative.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

29. Pundits writing the narrative....maybe it's because

the whole world, including them are seeing dissention and wondering what is going on. Just stating observation. That we are not unified on this, one way or the other is confusing and frustrating.

[eleny]

22. A call to his office might answer your question today

If you decide to contact him soon I hope you share the response.

[CentralMass]

24. This nothing to argue about but Jim Clyburn is a tenured sitting Representative who made comments

on the record.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. WAY more credibility if people didn't descrbe the people

Who disagree as snarky!!!!!! Not good. Last I saw 66% of Dems favor impeachment? May be higher now. Personal attacks against Dems not a good look.

[yaesu]

27. I heard him say that also. She needs to have a Dem majority behind impeachment, its important

to at least impeach tRump in the House but without Dem votes it could backfire. Any Dem against it at this point isn't really a Dem.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Don't agree with last line. Think more cautious and

more politically inclined?

[Salviati]

30. If there's anything we know about Nancy...

... it's that she knows how to count votes. She's not going to pull the trigger unless she knows she's going to hit the target. I trust her judgement.

[Kurt V.]

32. That's surprising. this was 30 min. ago 👇

Manu Raju
@mkraju
House Oversight member Ro Khanna, aligning himself with Pelosi argument against impeachment inquiry and doesn't think it makes sense to centralize the probes before Judiciary, as Nadler has privately pitched. "If you begin an inquiry, you limit it to just the Judiciary Committee"

[eleny]

41. Lol, beats the heck all out of me!

[YOHABLO]

34. Remember that MSM loves to construe everything for ratings.

The hyperbole that Pelosi and Nadler have fists in front of each other is probably more BS than we realize.

[eleny]

42. He's a member of the Progressive caucus and has my respect

Thanks for the thread kick.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. Lol. Poof

[eleny]

54. Wow, I didn't expect that

But I really did appreciate the thread kick from them.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. Was talking about the post removed!

[Me.]

53. Which Goes To Show

That the public knows very little about what is actually going on. Nancy has been taking a lot of hits from those they think know better, the pundits who likened her to a traitor and future coward and so on and so forth. She's had our back and should be able to count on our support.

[eleny]

55. The way I finally figured it was that her track record deserves my respect and a big hunk o' slack

[Laura PourMeADrink]

58. We have no time for slack, sadly. We've got a maniac

Running the country.

[eleny]

59. It's the Dems in the House who aren't for impeachment inquiries

If she's working on turning them around as Rep. Khanna said this morning then we can help her by pressuring them with emails and calls. Asserting that she wants to see him in jail tells us where she's at.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. If it's true...I am all for it. Not like a bold, clear and

declaratory outrage..but guess most certainly better than nothing.

[Me.]

64. I Agree

and also, the fact that she is always 10 steps ahead of everyone but doesn't showboat it.

[StarfishSaver]

65. And she doesn't argue and complain when she's publicly attacked by people in her base

She just smiles and keeps on moving, not worrying about defending herself. She knows that, in the end, she'll be proven correct.

[Me.]

68. She Is So Rock Solid Secure Within Herelf

and fearless.

I think that drives traitor Trump bonkers. She's everything he wants to be.

[StarfishSaver]

69. Totally!

One thing that makes a difference is that she has no higher ambition than to do her current job well - which drives people crazy since they have difficulty understanding motivations beyond looking for the next step up the ladder.

[Me.]

70. ...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

57. Hear ya loud and clear. Only time will tell.

[stopbush]

62. Er, last week, Khanna was calling for censure, rather than impeachment.

I assumed he was floating a Pelosi-directed trial balloon.

Said balloon burst quickly.