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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just got off the phone with a young guy from the DLCC asking for a donation. So I told him
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that I was only giving to individual candidates till the DNC decides to hold a debate devoted to climate change.
And he didn't even try to change my mind. He twice said he was "right with you." And he told me about the website for the DLCC, so I'm going to try to leave another comment there.
P.S. I sent a message to the DNC last week and they never replied.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)It would be boring to watch Dems try to out climate change each other.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and challenging the problem is, touching on almost every aspect of our lives.
The public must be educated about this, even many Democrats.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)about climate change in high school to a lengthy, serious discussion of the multitude of effects of climate change and the candidate's various plans on how to combat it.
And the deadly seriousness of the issue will be demonstrated by the fact of the DNC allocating a whole debate to the topic.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)If they don't read the newspaper and they don't watch tv, they sure as hell aren't going to catch debates. How are you going to connect with them?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)People are more likely to tune in to the debates than they are to some random show about climate change.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)GemDigger
(4,305 posts)or why it would be right for this and not the other JUST AS SERIOUS issues we are facing. They have done it in numerous ways. Some were very eloquent and some were more to the point. In all this, your point of view has not even changed one single bit. You are phrasing it the same today as you did 4 or 5 days ago which tells me you are NOT listening to the 200+ people who have been trying to have a discussion with you. Which means it is not a discussion at all.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Presidential candidates agree with me that there should be a debate devoted to climate change, including Elizabeth Warren, Jay Inslee, and Bernie Sanders. So at least they understand, even if some DUers haven't grasped the seriousness yet.
And they are smart enough to know that just because people watch TV, doesn't mean they have learned about climate change.
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/06/jay-inslee-says-he-may-defy-the-dnc-on-a-climate-change-debate/
The progressive campaign to pressure the DNC to hold its first-ever sanctioned climate change debate first took shape in April. I originally reported that a number of groups, including Friends of the Earth, Credo Action, Greenpeace, Sunrise Movement, and 350.org, planned to ramp up the pressure on the DNC to finally devote the primetime opportunity to an issue that got short-shrift in the last cycle. Since then, about a dozen candidates, including Inslee, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Beto ORourke have joined the call.
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The reaction to this announcement was swift and critical. On Twitter, Al Gore called it a mistake to refuse to hold a #ClimateDebate. Elizabeth Warren chimed in with her disappointment: Gov. Inslee is exactly right. Climate change is the biggest challenge we face. Every candidate running for president should have a serious set of policies to address it, and should be eager to defend those proposals in a debate.
Inslee and the climate activists angling for more debates will argue that climate change isnt as singular a topic as the DNC claims. It is intrinsically linked to the economy and national securityboth themes of past DNC-sanctioned debates. Despite that, climate continues to be treated more as a niche issue by major TV networks and party officials.
The DNC has said they wont hold a climate debate because climate change is just a single issue, Prakash says. Try telling that the families who cant afford to rebuild after the Camp Fire in California, the farmers in Iowa whose crops have been destroyed by floods, or the black and brown babies in Detroit who cant breathe. Climate change is not just a single issueits an existential threat that impacts every aspect of our lives.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)about anyone's opinion but your own.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and others.
I am less interested in what random DUers say, since so many of them seem to be uninformed.
Try reading. You could start here, if you're not too afraid.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans-annotated.html?gtm=top
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)with sources.
And yet you expect most people would have already learned everything important about climate change just from watching TV.
That's much of what is wrong with our country, in a nutshell.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)But I will not hold back any money I can give due to any one issue I feel strongly about, like climate change, a woman's right to choose, and healthcare. There is so much at stake this time, we need to elect democrats without any litmus test. If I can help in any small way I will. I give to individual candidates because I don't know how the DNC and DLCC will spend my money. I have sent money to Planned Parenthood, Emily's List and the Sierra Club in order to help causes I believe in.
This is just me, I'm not saying what you are doing is wrong.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)other candidates want debates on other topics that are important to Democrats, like abortion, health care, gun control, economic equality, LGBT rights, racism in policing, etc.? How is the DNC supposed to decide which of these issues deserve debates and which do not? It seems to me that town halls are better vehicles for addressing particular topics.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)during our lifetime, so I'm making an exception. Those other issues can be covered in the 11 other debates. None are as important as trying to save the planet.
According to Mother Jones, at least a dozen candidates, including Inslee, Warren, O'Rourke, Castro, and others are calling for such a debate. The DNC should listen.
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/06/jay-inslee-says-he-may-defy-the-dnc-on-a-climate-change-debate/
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)that will only help the GOP.
PufPuf23
(8,791 posts)alienating their voter base, and marginalized new talent, what do you suggest? To do nothing is enabling.
All we have is our money, our vote, and how we interact with others and live our lives.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)PufPuf23
(8,791 posts)My opinion is that the Democratic leadership enables the GOP and I am asking you what is to be done.
Time and time again I see the Democratic party self-destruct and ignore opportunity to do better.
What is to be done?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)only helps the GOP.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)The denialists will vote for Trump no matter what.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)it still only helps the GOP.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)an issue that is especially important to the young people whose world is being threatened.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But there are better ways to make that point rather than in a way that will definitely help the GOP.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)you are helping the GOP.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)by climate change -- that the Dems are on their side, recognize the seriousness of the problem, and will be working hard to solve it.
It would also help convince older voters who care about their children, grandchildren, and future generations.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but in reality, you're helping the GOP.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)but you are just helping the GOP.
PufPuf23
(8,791 posts)If you have it figured out, please explain with some detail.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)if you are not blinded by your bias.
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OneBro
(1,159 posts)The DNC continues to fight the RNC on a myriad of complicated and not-so-complicated issues, but generally with half the RNC budget. As one might guess, the funding disparity results in a disparity in ad-buys, grass-roots organizing, often with predictable results.
Your post reminded me that sending funds NOW to the DNC is critical because early dollars are worth so much more than emergency dollars two-weeks before elections.
Id sure as hell be making demands with a $1 million donation, but for my $100, all Im asking is that they do whatever the fuck they need to do to get Democratic majorities, and your post has inspired me to send an extra $100 drop for our proverbial DNC bucket.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)We on the left are TOTALLY on our own. The GOP has their hands in every government backstop. Gerrymandering, cheating, highly skilled vote stealing, corrupt state officials, voter intimidation, voter roll purges, and ongoing Russian (and other) foreign influence are just some of what we're up against.
We need to be supporting (and not blocking) every organization that can stand with us.
The DNC is absolutely not our enemy, even if they didn't answer your communication and even as you withheld money they need because they won't do what you want.
I agree with most of what you post and stay quiet when i don't, but this is the wrong way forward, in my view.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Democrats need to quit complaining at each other over everything.
They need to stick together. Everything mentioned in these posts are important but dwelling on special interests of any kind is what drove many to abandon the party..
We need to emphasize those things that people care about. Global warming is one of them but that is not the only thing people want to hear. Health Care, jobs. Once we win we can start fighting for the things we care about.
RandySF
(58,923 posts)They help state legislative candidates across the country and we desperately need more chambers. But, if you go to their site, they have links to many specific candidates.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)RandySF
(58,923 posts)I doubt it.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Here is the web page for the DLCC. On the bottom left hand corner it says it's paid for by the DNC.
https://democrats.org/the-democratic-legislative-committee/
Also, the DLCC was founded by some state office holders and the head of the DNC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Legislative_Campaign_Committee
RandySF
(58,923 posts)They got boots on the ground for a lot of successful legislative elections in 2017 and 2018. I went to the link and saw that the DNC's site is pad for by the DNC and the DLCC's site is paid for by the DLCC.
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Hell get right on it.
You know that the DLCC isnt the DNC right? They help Democrats get elected on the local level. And youre not donating to the DNC until they hold a debate in your pet issue? Thats a good way of never seeing your pet issue ever get addressed.