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malaise

(269,057 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:13 PM Jun 2019

This is the dominant story in Jamaica today

They chained our fishermen - like slaves

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/12/politics/aclu-sues-coast-guard-kidnapping-abuse-fishermen/index.html

A U.S. Coast Guard boat participates in the Homeland Security Task Force Southeast mass migration drill March 8, 2007 off the shore of Miami, Florida. Hundreds of response personnel from more than 50 local, county, state and federal agencies participated in the two-day exercise that was simulating a large, sudden change in the migration process in Cuba and the United States' response. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
MIAMI - MARCH 08: A U.S. Coast Guard boat participates in the Homeland Security Task Force Southeast mass migration drill March 8, 2007 off the shore of Miami, Florida. Hundreds of response personnel from more than 50 local, county, state and federal agencies participated in the two-day exercise that was simulating a large, sudden change in the migration process in Cuba and the United States' response.

(CNN)The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on Wednesday claiming the US Coast Guard improperly detained four Jamaican fishermen and kept them in inhumane conditions for more than a month.

The ACLU claimed in a news release that "the Coast Guard seized the fishermen and destroyed their boat by setting it on fire and riddling it with bullets," and "held the men in secret for more than a month, chaining them to the exposed decks of four different Coast Guard ships all while denying them access to shelter, basic sanitation, proper food, and medical care."
"The Coast Guard has no authority to kidnap and disappear fishermen who are trying to make a living for themselves and their families," Steven Watt, a spokesman for the ACLU, said in the release.
"The Coast Guard chained our clients to decks of its ships for over a month, exposed them to the elements, even during a hurricane, and didn't even let them tell their families that they were alive," Watt said in the statement. "These men deserve justice."
The fishermen suffer from "physical and psychological trauma" and are "financially ruined," according to the ACLU.
The organization named the fisherman as Robert Dexter Weir, Patrick Wayne Ferguson, Luther Fian Patterson and David Roderick Williams.
The men were barred by the Coast Guard from contacting their families for more than a month, according to the ACLU, and later learned their families had presumed the fishermen were dead when they didn't return home from their trip.
"There are no human rights out there," Patterson said, according to the release. "They treat you like animals. You are like an animal ... chained to the deck on your foot."
A spokesman for the Coast Guard, Lt. Cmdr. Scott McBride, hit back at the claims.
McBride said in September 2017 the Coast Guard intercepted a vessel near Haiti and recovered about 600 pounds of marijuana that the crew had thrown overboard. The Coast Guard detained the "five crewmembers -- each of whom claimed Jamaican citizenship" as they awaited permission from the Jamaican government to prosecute the fisherman in the US.
"Before arriving in Miami, Florida, where they were prosecuted, the five Jamaican detainees were transferred multiple times, to multiple Coast Guard vessels," due to operational scheduling during Hurricane Maria response operations, according to McBride.
"In January 2018, each of the crewmembers pled guilty to making a false official statement to a law enforcement officer and were sentenced to ten months' imprisonment," McBride said.

The ACLU claims the fisherman "had not lied to the Coast Guard officers. They pleaded guilty because they were told that it was the quickest and surest way to get back to their homes and families in Jamaica and to put an end to their nightmare."

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This is the dominant story in Jamaica today (Original Post) malaise Jun 2019 OP
Who else should be sentenced for making thousands of false official statements? NBachers Jun 2019 #1
Certainly not the Con malaise Jun 2019 #2
I'm waiting for Franklin Graham to explain how Trump is above he Commandments too. world wide wally Jun 2019 #8
You're looking for logic from a snake oil salesman? malaise Jun 2019 #9
Omg. I hope the fisherman get justice. MLAA Jun 2019 #3
They were interviewed on TV malaise Jun 2019 #4
Yes, he/they were tortured! MLAA Jun 2019 #6
"Homeland Security Task Force Southeast mass migration drill " Triloon Jun 2019 #5
Please note that this was post Hurricane Marie malaise Jun 2019 #7
It is sick... rwsanders Jun 2019 #19
no words. spanone Jun 2019 #10
In a lawless land, MasterofBiscuits Jun 2019 #11
WTF? UpInArms Jun 2019 #12
Those letters were also my response: WTF? Then.... this was 12 yrs ago - why am I reading about salin Jun 2019 #14
There is something JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #13
Reading it again JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #15
OMFG!! 😢 What kind of people are THIS inhumane? Duppers Jun 2019 #16
Another reason to... JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #17
The article says that "the Coast Guard intercepted a vessel near Haiti..." RockRaven Jun 2019 #18
Yep malaise Jun 2019 #20

Triloon

(506 posts)
5. "Homeland Security Task Force Southeast mass migration drill "
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:36 PM
Jun 2019

Wth? Preparing for the Climate Refugees? Sink their boats and chain them to the decks? For a month? DHS is just sick.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
19. It is sick...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:24 PM
Jun 2019

The idea is that if there is an event that forces people to leave their homes in the Caribbean that the USCG will set up enough vessels to grab them before they can set foot in the US and ask for asylum. It is a perverse and clearly unconstitutional "wet foot/dry foot" policy.
If you hunt around the internet enough, you will find footage of USCG members trying to tackle refugees in the water so they can be "repatriated" without a hearing. If they make it to dry land they can request asylum.
So to me, this is why there needs to be a push to recognize the Declaration of Independence as a legal document. To me it already is. We recognize legally that July 4th is Independence Day, based on the signing of the DOI. Therefore it is a legal document. Otherwise the whole thing is a farce and we are still a British colony.
This is important because of the "endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights" thing. Because the rights are not granted or limited by the Constitution, and they can not be limited to only US citizens. We are only enforcing through our laws divine rights. Therefore ANY person who comes under US jurisdiction is entitled to full rights.
I believe that is what the founding fathers intended and anything else is a perversion of those principles.

I am saddened every time I see such a great organization (the USCG) dirtying their hands participating in such vile enterprises. That is why I advocated many times for civil rights training oriented to the public not just our members.

salin

(48,955 posts)
14. Those letters were also my response: WTF? Then.... this was 12 yrs ago - why am I reading about
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:00 PM
Jun 2019

this for the first time? And about 100+ more WTFs and GoToHells to those participating in this.

Disgusted.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
15. Reading it again
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jun 2019

This is eerily similar to what The Central Park Five were told:


"The ACLU claims the fisherman "had not lied to the Coast Guard officers. They pleaded guilty because they were told that it was the quickest and surest way to get back to their homes and families in Jamaica and to put an end to their nightmare."

Beyond justice - money. Millions

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
16. OMFG!! 😢 What kind of people are THIS inhumane?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:07 PM
Jun 2019

Would we ever have even heard about this without the ACLU? One of the many reasons I donate.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
18. The article says that "the Coast Guard intercepted a vessel near Haiti..."
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:04 PM
Jun 2019

If we can infer that the point of interaction was nearer to Haiti than Florida (would not the article have said "near Bumf--k, FL" if that had been the case?) why the f--k is the Coast Guard detaining anyone near a different sovereign country?

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