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It begins...a call for impeachment in the House (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 OP
Most excellent! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #1
Current stats canetoad Jun 2019 #2
Is this different from the other people who have called for impeachment? Poiuyt Jun 2019 #3
he's not the first... EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #4
Adding...4 in Michigan already... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2019 #18
I count 5 triron Jun 2019 #28
Rep AL Green from Texas has been on board since Congress convened in 2016 yellowdogintexas Jun 2019 #39
Dear Speaker Pelosi The Liberal Lion Jun 2019 #5
Yes yes yes yes ! Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #9
When MasterofBiscuits Jun 2019 #14
Jefferson? triron Jun 2019 #29
They should open the inquiry on July 1 Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #6
Like that Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #10
I like that very much. yellowdogintexas Jun 2019 #40
Nancy... myohmy2 Jun 2019 #7
That you even have to say that? JHC why do we Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #11
DAMN STRAIGHT Skittles Jun 2019 #12
Why this Rep? Sugarcoated Jun 2019 #8
I think it is a case of one more going public yellowdogintexas Jun 2019 #41
There's more to that thread here: pnwmom Jun 2019 #13
thank you; full text Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2019 #15
Lots of luck convincing ANY Scarsdale Jun 2019 #16
Problem with blanket statements is there are usually exceptions. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #27
Why would they necessarily obey McConnell? He is in a different chamber (Senate). triron Jun 2019 #31
NOTHING comes up for a hearing, Scarsdale Jun 2019 #38
Justice is coming malaise Jun 2019 #17
tic toc motherfucker. mopinko Jun 2019 #19
Is there a difference between an "Impeachment inquiry" and an "impeachment" fescuerescue Jun 2019 #20
They're two different things, but the terms are often used interchangeably StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #22
Thanks for that. Ligyron Jun 2019 #36
Helpful. Thanks. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2019 #48
Great explanation. Do you have a guerss at how long an impeachment would take? I ask napi21 Jun 2019 #50
The impeachment process takes however long Congress wants StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #53
Dozens of other Members have already called for impeachment. Is there something different or special StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #21
"I have concluded." Yes, just a statement. On the plus side, Hortensis Jun 2019 #26
Exactly what Pelosi is waiiting for...increasing support. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2019 #32
Itm, the investigations and cases in court continue. Hortensis Jun 2019 #35
Kick dalton99a Jun 2019 #23
I hardly ever go to twitter but I did for this. CrispyQ Jun 2019 #24
Impeachment Inquiry?? Lotus54 Jun 2019 #25
Amen, Andy. spanone Jun 2019 #30
History Smackdown2019 Jun 2019 #33
How is this "beginning" any different from the last several? FBaggins Jun 2019 #34
Yeah, what makes him so special? Ligyron Jun 2019 #37
Yes, I think the OP doesn't know this has been going on for over a month. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #44
Well over... In fact, over two years FBaggins Jun 2019 #46
Reps. Cohen, Sherman and Green introduced impeachment resolutions beginning in July 2017 StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #47
Here's the first mention I found FBaggins Jun 2019 #51
I'm not familiar with this source, but this is all made up StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #54
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #52
"It begins" my ass LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #42
It's the beginning of the beginning fescuerescue Jun 2019 #55
What makes you think he wouldn't tweet that w/o Pelosi's approval? This is not the first such tweet. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #43
K&R BlueJac Jun 2019 #45
This means nothing... brooklynite Jun 2019 #49

Poiuyt

(18,130 posts)
3. Is this different from the other people who have called for impeachment?
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:35 AM
Jun 2019

Or is it just adding to the list?

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,776 posts)
18. Adding...4 in Michigan already...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:50 AM
Jun 2019

Levin joins U.S. Reps. Dan Kildee, D-Flint Township, Rashida Tlaib, D-Detroit, and Brenda Lawrence, D-Southfield, in the pro-impeachment stance. U.S. Rep. Justin Amash, R-Cascade Township, is the only House Republican who has voiced support for impeachment proceedings

yellowdogintexas

(22,270 posts)
39. Rep AL Green from Texas has been on board since Congress convened in 2016
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:14 PM
Jun 2019

I am fairly certain there are others we aren't aware of just yet

 

MasterofBiscuits

(51 posts)
14. When
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:35 AM
Jun 2019

in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

myohmy2

(3,176 posts)
7. Nancy...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:51 AM
Jun 2019

...may have a fiduciary duty to the Democratic Party but she has an even greater responsibility to the Constitution, the American people and our nation's future...

"He would not tweet this unless Pelosi had approved."

...I hope you're right...

...

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. That you even have to say that? JHC why do we
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:12 AM
Jun 2019

even have to tell these people? You know it from the core if your being.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,414 posts)
15. thank you; full text
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:02 AM
Jun 2019


When I became a member of the 116th Congress, I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Today, I announce that I have concluded that the House has a duty to open an impeachment inquiry into the conduct of President Donald J. Trump.

Mr. Trump has been violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution each and every day since he took office. His intertwining of his business dealings with governance and his profiting off his office are beyond improper.

His refusal to share information about his taxes prevents the public from knowing the nature and extent of his conflicts of interest.

As the Mueller Report makes clear, on 10 or more occasions the President did obstruct justice or sought to obstruct justice, including by firing or attempting to fire people who were investigating him.

His attitude towards foreign interference in our election process, the very heartbeat of our democracy, chills me to the bone, from his invitation to Vladimir Putin to meddle during 2016 to his comments this week about the 2020 election.

Until today, I have maintained the position that we should neither rush to impeach President Trump nor take impeachment off the table.

However, I have watched the Trump administration’s stonewalling of our oversight activities with growing frustration.

I have concluded that, absent an impeachment inquiry, even if our appeals to the courts continue to succeed, they will follow a timeline far too slow to meet the needs of the American people for truth and justice.

After extensive discussion with colleagues on the committees of jurisdiction over various investigations...

I have concluded that the only way to get to the bottom of Mr. Trump’s activities and inform the public about what we learn is to centralize and expedite the process through one select committee with the focus, power and urgency that come with an impeachment inquiry.

I will work to build a consensus in the House Democratic Caucus to begin this process, and I will reach across the aisle to engage Republican colleagues about the urgent need to protect our democracy.

Rep. Andy Levin
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1139921792901013505.html

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
16. Lots of luck convincing ANY
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:47 AM
Jun 2019

member of the gop to actually join in this effort. They all obey McConnell, they have no independent thoughts. Until their constituents show them that they are concerned about the criminal in the WH, they will do nothing. Fear of losing their positions seems to be the only incentive for them. Lay out all the ways tRump is committing crimes against his office, and let people decided for themselves. Do they want a thug in the WH? The entire world is aware of his criminal activities. WHY is he allowed to get away with breaking laws? Before he has his giant 4th of July takeover, he should pay the overdue bills for his inauguration. This creepy family is depleting the Treasury of the US while lining their own pockets.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
27. Problem with blanket statements is there are usually exceptions.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jun 2019

U.S. Rep. Justin Amash, R-Cascade Township, is the only House Republican who has voiced support for impeachment proceedings

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
38. NOTHING comes up for a hearing,
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jun 2019

unless McConnell deems it necessary. The gop in the House and Senate are all in line behind McConnell. He rules with an iron fist, even though he is the most corrupt of all. Impeachment will never be brought up in the Senate as long as ol' Mitch is there. Get rid of him, and it would be smooth sailing once the gop realizes their days in office are numbered because of tRump.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
20. Is there a difference between an "Impeachment inquiry" and an "impeachment"
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:41 AM
Jun 2019

Ask because I truly don't know.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. They're two different things, but the terms are often used interchangeably
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:30 AM
Jun 2019
Impeachment = a vote by a simple majority of the House of Representatives agreeing there are sufficient grounds to determine that a federal officer's actions warrant trial and removal from office for the commission of high crimes and misdemeanors. An impeachment does not remove the official from office. Only the Senate can remove and only after a trial and vote of 2/3 of the body.

Impeachment Inquiry = a process used to determine whether a federal officer should be impeached.

Impeachment Investigation = a part of the inquiry that gathers evidence to be used as part of the determination of whether a a federal officer should be impeached.

Impeachment Hearings = proceedings in which the committee conducting the impeachment inquiry takes testimony from witnesses. The witness can be fact witnesses, legal and constitutional experts, special interest representatives (civil rights groups, etc.), and others with information or advice relevant to the inquiry. Hearings can be conducted in public or in private.

Although the terms are often (and inaccurately) used interchangeably, impeachment, impeachment inquiries, impeachment investigations, and impeachment hearings are not synonymous. Hearings can be part of an investigation, but investigations do not require hearings. Investigations and hearings can be components of the inquiry but an inquiry can be conducted without them. In other words, investigations and hearings are specific subsets of an inquiry.

Impeachment is the actual vote that a federal officer's actions warrant trial and removal from office.

There is no such thing as "starting impeachment." At this point in time, Congress is considering whether to open an impeachment inquiry that will likely include an investigation and hearings and could lead to impeachment

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212150822

napi21

(45,806 posts)
50. Great explanation. Do you have a guerss at how long an impeachment would take? I ask
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:53 PM
Jun 2019

because I've heard several people say that there isn't enough time left before the 2020 campaign. Do you think that's true?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
53. The impeachment process takes however long Congress wants
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:00 AM
Jun 2019

Last edited Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:31 AM - Edit history (1)

In the Clinton impeachment, the House moved very quickly. The Starr Report was delivered to the House on September 9, 1998. The House voted to authorize the Judiciary Committee to open an impeachment inquiry on October 8. The Judiciary Committee voted out Articles of Impeachment on December 11 and 12, and the full House impeached President Clinton on December 19.

In the Nixon impeachment, the House authorized the Judiciary Committee to begin an inquiry in February 1974. The first hearing was held on May 9 and the Judiciary Committee approved Articles of Impeachment in late July.

No, I don't think it's too late and it will be quite a while before it is. If there is an impeachment inquiry, I certainly don't think it should be rushed through like Republicans did with Clinton, but if the right groundwork is laid in advance and the Committee doesn't have to do a full blown investigation, an impeachment inquiry can move fairly quickly. Ideally, the Committee wouldn't be doing a lot of original investigation - that should have been done by the various committees currently investigating Trump - but could focus primarily in the question of whether the wrongdoing uncovered constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors, what should be included in the Articles of Impeachment and how they should be drafted.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
21. Dozens of other Members have already called for impeachment. Is there something different or special
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jun 2019

about this one?

On Edit: I do like that he's not just demanding impeachment but is acknowledging that it needs consensus and offering to help build it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. "I have concluded." Yes, just a statement. On the plus side,
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jun 2019

newest poll says support for impeachment hearings has risen overall to 27% and that it is now 10 points higher than just a month ago among Democrats at 48%.

The movement is up.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
32. Exactly what Pelosi is waiiting for...increasing support.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jun 2019


Impeachment is being talked about now on many fronts, polls keep showing increased support. exactly what is needed.

Lotus54

(44 posts)
25. Impeachment Inquiry??
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jun 2019

Below is Andy Levin's last 3 tweets ( 3 of his long tweets) which seem to give an indication on some movement in the House Judicial Committee:

Just a side note:

House Judicial Committee now have the majority in favor of Impeachment Inquiry. ( Whether it goes forward to the proceedings, still remains to be seen)

Levin's Tweets:
"I have concluded that, absent an impeachment inquiry, even if our appeals to the courts continue to succeed, they will follow a timeline far too slow to meet the needs of the American people for truth and justice."

"After extensive discussion with colleagues on the committees of jurisdiction over various investigations..."

"I have concluded that the only way to get to the bottom of Mr. Trump’s activities and inform the public about what we learn is to centralize and expedite the process through one select committee with the focus, power and urgency that come with an impeachment inquiry."

"I will work to build a consensus in the House Democratic Caucus to begin this process, and I will reach across the aisle to engage Republican colleagues about the urgent need to protect our democracy."

Below is the List of the House Member for Impeachment from the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/31/us/politics/trump-impeachment-congress-list.html?module=inline


Smackdown2019

(1,190 posts)
33. History
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jun 2019

We must remember that history does repeat itself if the lessons are not learned. 

History had a nazi dictator, by the name of Hitler who spoke of politics of Hate, prison camps of children and being a constant liar. 

History had a US President who fired everyone who was prosecuting him, Nixon. 

History had brutal dictatorships that destroyed governments, destroyed people and relationships. 

Our forefathers envision such atrocities to have protections wrote in our living document, the US Constitution. Not because it could happen, it happened during their lifetime under the rule of King George.

The escaped the brutal rule of a king who had no checks or balances. 

That escape was paid in patriot BLOOD for us to live in FREEDOM. 

Yet, the oaths that every congressional and judicial servant of the PEOPLE has been given, must be held to ensure history does NOT REPEAT! 

Check and Balances. 

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
34. How is this "beginning" any different from the last several?
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jun 2019

Some members have actually brought impeachment resolutions for consideration...

If he was in leadership there might be a rationale for claiming that he wouldn't tweet that without Pelosi's approval... but he's one of the newest members.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. Yes, I think the OP doesn't know this has been going on for over a month.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:42 PM
Jun 2019

Ever since the Mueller Report, hasn't it?

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
46. Well over... In fact, over two years
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:22 PM
Jun 2019

I think the first articles of impeachment were proposed by Nadler about two weeks after Trump took office.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
51. Here's the first mention I found
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:11 PM
Jun 2019

The Google hit says 2/9/2017



Preliminary Impeachment Papers Filed Against Donald Trump

The people frustrated with this Trump Administration might be getting what they want, as a top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee has filed an “Articles of Inquiry” into the president. For those unaware of what that means, this is the first step in the process of attempting to impeach a federal official.

Yes, someone, namely Congressman Jerrold Nadler, (D-NY), is attempting to impeach Donald Trump.

https://www.okayplayer.com/news/preliminary-impeachment-papers-filed-against-donald-trump.html
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
54. I'm not familiar with this source, but this is all made up
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 02:12 AM
Jun 2019

First of all, there's no such thing as an "article of inquiry" in congressional procedure.

I looked at the legislation introduced during that period - I linked to my source in my previous post - and Jerry Nadler didn't introduce any impeachment bills.

And they also said the Clinton impeachment was begun with an "article of inquiry" in 1995 - which was three years before the Lewinsky scandal surfaced and before Clinton even met Monica.

As I said - it's made up.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
55. It's the beginning of the beginning
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 11:20 AM
Jun 2019

Not the end of the beginning

It could be the beginning of the end, but I really think it's just the beginning of the beginning.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
43. What makes you think he wouldn't tweet that w/o Pelosi's approval? This is not the first such tweet.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jun 2019

I think there have been other statements like this by House reps.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
49. This means nothing...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jun 2019

Levin isn't part of leadership and plenty of other Democratic House members have called for Impeachment.

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