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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,274 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:18 PM Jun 2019

Vladimir Putin says liberalism has 'become obsolete'

Vladimir Putin has trumpeted the growth of national populist movements in Europe and America, crowing that liberalism is spent as an ideological force.

In an FT interview in the Kremlin on the eve of the G20 summit in Osaka, Japan, the Russian president said “the liberal idea” had “outlived its purpose” as the public turned against immigration, open borders and multiculturalism.

Mr Putin’s evisceration of liberalism — the dominant western ideology since the end of the second world war in 1945 — chimes with anti-establishment leaders from US president Donald Trump to Hungary’s Viktor Orban, Matteo Salvini in Italy, and the Brexit insurgency in the UK.

“[Liberals] cannot simply dictate anything to anyone just like they have been attempting to do over the recent decades,” he said.

Mr Putin branded Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision to admit more than 1m refugees to Germany, mainly from war-ravaged Syria, as a “cardinal mistake”. But he praised Donald Trump for trying to stop the flow of migrants and drugs from Mexico.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putin-says-liberalism-has-become-obsolete/ar-AADyiKu?li=BBnb7Kz

You didn't know Putin was a tea bagger did you?

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Vladimir Putin says liberalism has 'become obsolete' (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 OP
Well, there you have it then Bettie Jun 2019 #1
Of course now this will become tRumps 2020 campaign slogan. old guy Jun 2019 #2
"Liberals" means "democracy" dawg day Jun 2019 #3
The death of constitutional democracy and open societies was touted by 20th century dictators too DBoon Jun 2019 #4
Putin is a dictator. Dictators don't like the opposition. Initech Jun 2019 #5
No, Old White Guys have become obsolete. nt Laffy Kat Jun 2019 #6
No one has ever wanted to immigrate to Russia. Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #7
that might change, as the global temperature warms and the sea levels rise anarch Jun 2019 #10
We will have Canada for food, as well as the Andes region. Blue_true Jun 2019 #14
At this point if Putin died would Russia fall apart? Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #16
That is possible. He has surrounded himself with Yes people. Blue_true Jun 2019 #17
Greenwald, Snowden and Tulsi Gabbard were unavailable for comment Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #8
Ash heap of history? We will bury you? ... Echoes of Krushchev, coming back to haunt us. Hekate Jun 2019 #9
well Putin and his mob friends do run our country now, so... anarch Jun 2019 #11
Dream on, fascist dictators. moondust Jun 2019 #12
Putin is an idiot. World history has continuously moved toward liberalization. Blue_true Jun 2019 #13
Perestroika and glasnost are dead, comrade ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #15
"Liberalism is the individual. Fascism is the state." Hortensis Jun 2019 #18

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
3. "Liberals" means "democracy"
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jun 2019

And Trump agrees with him, that democracy is obsolete.

We really have to defeat him soundly in 2020, and if he resists, we have to have mass protests.

DBoon

(22,401 posts)
4. The death of constitutional democracy and open societies was touted by 20th century dictators too
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jun 2019

A war was found to defend the liberties of Enlightenment liberalism

anarch

(6,535 posts)
10. that might change, as the global temperature warms and the sea levels rise
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jun 2019

Russia is probably going to be the breadbasket of the world in the coming century...partly why Putin publicly embraces climate change as a positive thing.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. We will have Canada for food, as well as the Andes region.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:06 PM
Jun 2019

Russia won't even influence Europe food wise if it does not cower the Baltic states and the Nordic states, that may be why Putin is trying so hard there.

Dictators come and go. Putin has to wish that whoever takes over after him will continue his actions, history has shown that to be a dicey bet.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. That is possible. He has surrounded himself with Yes people.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:57 PM
Jun 2019

I would guess younger replacements won't have the hardened cold-war KGB mindset that Putin has.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. Greenwald, Snowden and Tulsi Gabbard were unavailable for comment
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:12 PM
Jun 2019

Funny how silent Putin's cheerleaders on the Western Left have been on this story...

anarch

(6,535 posts)
11. well Putin and his mob friends do run our country now, so...
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jun 2019

He sort of has a point.

In my opinion, neo-liberalism is dead (or on its damn way out, anyway) and people generally will have had quite enough of dictators and oligarchs in the relatively near future. I don't think it's going to be a smooth transition though...I don't see this current situation ending too well at all for anybody.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. Putin is an idiot. World history has continuously moved toward liberalization.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:01 PM
Jun 2019

People like him have had brief moments in the sun, but they have always became historical footnotes.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
15. Perestroika and glasnost are dead, comrade
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:08 PM
Jun 2019

I will make Soviet Union great again! See, I have already taken Crimea from under your noses, and you do nothing about it. I add United States to great Soviet Union with election tampering. Is simple! Is child's play.

I say polonium the fucker! He needs to be a non-entity.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. "Liberalism is the individual. Fascism is the state."
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jun 2019

Benito Mussolini

Putin of course heads a variation of authoritarian government from Mussolini’s unfulfilled version. Yet the role of the people is strikingly similar under both. To serve and obey.

It’s up to each of us to decide whether we want a nation of, by and for the people as Abraham Lincoln described what our founding fathers created for us, or a nation in which the first duty of the people is to serve the state.

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