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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThat airport business is not a "blunder" its
a divorce from reality and sanity. The MSM keeps referring it as a blunder much to my annoyance.
A blunder is when you confuse LaGuardia and Kennedy airports as the pick up or delivery place for your brother.
Trumps ridiculousness reminds me of the old joke where the guy says to his coworker that he had a terrible Freudian slip at breakfast with his wife. He said, I meant to say Please pass the sugar
The coworker asks, What DID you say?
The reply, I said You ruined my life you fucking bitch
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)Whether frontotemporal dementia (FTD) or related neurological explanation, I think we are going see this more and more over the next months. The MSM needs to stop laughing it off and start asking pointed and appropriate questions. His facial tics, balance issues, and increasingly frequent abnormally dilated pupils are no longer so subtle.
safeinOhio
(32,714 posts)he has a hard time turning his head with out turning his shoulders?
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)intentional method of "re-righting" himself. I have to agree with those who predict his symptoms are going to increase--and rapidly.
It was particularly obvious during his UK visit.
Ms. Toad
(34,086 posts)but when I had the same symptom (loss of range of neck motion to the left), it caused vertigo and the gabapentin I took for it replaced the vertigo with dizziness (and balance issues). The gapapentin also turned my brain to mush, so I was functioning at about half speed (as opposed to about 1/4 speed with the vertigo).
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)It hurts to turn the neck by itself, so they turn head and shoulders.
littlemissmartypants
(22,747 posts)That would partially explain the expansion of his rear and his stiff neck and trunk movements.
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)much like this, commonly used with Parkinsons patients, which would readily explain the protrusion under his suit jacket at the back
Link to tweet
littlemissmartypants
(22,747 posts)maybe someone should start one.
I personally don't think that would explain the change in the range of motion in his neck and trunk. I could however, see body armor not only being restrictive, but more likely with his increasing paranoia. He supposedly started wearing it after someone rushed the stage at one of his campaign events.
I am of the mindset that it is never one thing, but usually a combination of things, that is the source of any aberrant behaviors. So it's conceivable he wears the armour with a back brace, has syphilis, is a psychopath/sociopath and a there's neurological etiology for his bizarre actions.
hlthe2b
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littlemissmartypants
(22,747 posts)I'll keep the lights on for you.
58Sunliner
(4,394 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)including one that more often presents with signs of dementia. What really doesn't fit, though is the timing. Trump was most sexually active in the mid-late 70s, so if he was infected that long ago, it really should have shown up dramatically far before now. Most forms of neurosyphilis, even the most advanced can be traced back to infection within the previous decade.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)he couldn't have been infected with syphilis more recently than the 70s?
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)to be more rapidly diagnosed and treated. Likewise, contact tracing by public health improved dramatically in response to HIV.
Similar improvements for STDs in males, though there are regional differences and drug-resistant gonorrhea has been an emerging issue.
Not to mention, Trump was paranoid as hell about contracting HIV.. Evidenced his horrible comment about dating Princess DI to Howard Stern (that he'd require an HIV test) and his bragging about "forcing" women to be tested as WAPO covered some time ago:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/05/trump-used-brag-about-forcing-women-take-hiv-tests-now-he-wants-eliminate-its-spread-by/?utm_term=.2f9270cd6d67
He clearly was both aware and concerned about STD prevention in general, no matter the full extent of his behaviors.
triron
(22,019 posts)hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)There are some professional private forums where this has been a subject of discussion. My impressions are consistent with the majority posting from a number of specialty disciplines and perspectives. There is absolute consensus that something organic is going on beyond what can be explained by his narcissistic personality disorder (or other related PDs).
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)2013. Syphilis has been increasing overall since 2001. There has not been a concomitant increase in neurosyphilis which remains quite rare nor other chronic forms which strongly suggests both a recent increase in high- risk behaviors, but likewise early detection and treatment preventing the sequela of chronic infection. Overall, the prevalence of reported neurosyphilis from 2009 to 2015 was low (0.84%)
Increase in incidence reflects both an absolute increase in cases, but also an improvement in detection and public health outreach, resulting in contacts of cases both identified, traced, tested, and treated. That is the good news from this.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)Maybe he figured a porn star must have been recently tested.She
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)PCIntern
(25,577 posts)others might call it a drag race.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)and had unprotected sex with others.
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)58Sunliner
(4,394 posts)Maybe his father had it. 10% of all men had it in Europe in the late 1800's. Gonorrhea was around then too.
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)Obviously, someone that progressed to full-blown neurosyphilis in each of the predominating presentations is more likely to be detected now than in Van Gogh's time and his course illustrates my point about latency.. Congenital syphilis is neither asymptomatic at birth (or shortly thereafter) nor subclinical. It is pretty obvious with a wide range of symptoms from hearing loss to cerebral palsy and hydrocephalus. Trump's father died following a typically long course of progressive dementia confirmed as Alzheimer's. That fact would likely predispose Trump to Alzheimer's as well, but some of his symptoms are more consistent with FTD.
Gonorrhea is not a cause of chronic neurological disease though on extremely rare occasions can cause acute meningitis--usually in sexually active young teens/adults. Not a latent disease nor a complication that would not be immediately fulminant and thus recognized. A work-up for bacterial meningitis would be standard of care and thus it would be diagnosed. So, no, this isn't what we are talking about re: Trump.
58Sunliner
(4,394 posts)He could have been affected by epigenetic changes due to prior issues in his family tree. Mental issues unfortunately are harder to pinpoint in origin.
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)Not necessarily abusing amphetimines/cocaine as has been hypothesized but given his balance issues and tics, quite possibly levodopa and not at all unlikely, an antianxiety med like Zoloft.
I wouldn't wish progressive dementia or neurologic disease of any kind on anyone, but the next few (six or so) months are going to be revealing I think.
There is only so long that his minders (cough Jarvanka) can hide it or make excuses for it, even with the "nearly fully incurious" media.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,409 posts)You said, "I wouldn't wish progressive dementia or neurologic disease of any kind on anyone [...]".
I think there are arguably legitimate exceptions to that "anyone" -- Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Putin, Trump. (Obviously not a complete list, and obviously not a list of peers). There are harmful organisms in the world. Sometimes unpleasant diseases provide limits to the harm those organisms can accomplish.
For Labor Day, I'm wishing for global tv coverage of TrumPutin taking a shit on the White House lawn while proudly announcing giving birth to his successor and savior of the world.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)From his rigidity, to his slurred words, misuse of words, confusion, incomplete sentences, difficulty in holding a cup or glass, his pupils (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1821667), and more. That is why Ivanka stays with him so closely when he is out of the country. They are doing a fair job of hiding it, but there are MANY signals.
Maybe Pence had to hurry back to the WH because of an updated medical report and strategy planning session?
hlthe2b
(102,351 posts)is frequently used. Ditto for the balance issues.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)Bottom line is, he's got something wrong with him.
Phoenix61
(17,018 posts)It is often misdiagnosed as Parkinsons which is what happened to Robin Williams. It wasnt until his autopsy that he was correctly diagnosed with Lewy Body.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)Possible brain tumor.
Everyman Jackal
(271 posts)Lack of thumb and finger roll for instance. I was diagnosed with PD in 2005. I could not use any of the Dopa medications and was put on Rasagiline. Later my neurologists changed the diagnosis mainly because I never had the thumb and finger roll to vascular dementia after yearly MRIs showed changes in the white matter in my brain. I have the slurred word, misuse of words, confusion and incomplete sentences. My vascular dementia is caused by multiple mini-strokes.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)Please continue to be such an important contributor to DU!
CatMor
(6,212 posts)I have thought that all along. My father had Parkinson's and had many of the same symptoms as trump. I think that is why trump sometimes sits with folded arms because of shaking. The same walk starting to look like shuffling. He may start to have illusions/delusions as my father did.
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)CatMor
(6,212 posts)I first thought of Parkinson's when I saw the photo of him holding the water bottle awkwardly with both hands while taking a drink and when I see his arms crossed, both situations seeming to try to hide something.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)PERIOD.
Thanks PC!!!
PCIntern
(25,577 posts)oasis
(49,401 posts)brush
(53,840 posts)His base is just as dumb as him, the rest of the repugs have to be shuddering at his ignorance but won't say anything because they may get primaried.
We just have to keep doing what we did for the 2018 blue wave and we'll do all right.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)You can make them commit atrocities- like what's going on in the immigrant concentration camps.
58Sunliner
(4,394 posts)And who wrote the speech? Who cares. We know he hates to read a speech, and likes to improvise, because he wants people to believe that he has special knowledge, that no one else has, all by himself, cause he is such a genius. Cause he's so special. Delusional. He is effing sick. That POS needs to be in a locked down psych ward.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Miller and most likely bannon.
bannon is not publicly involved, but he is, on the qt, as is Gorka.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Dementia. But wat do I know.
oldsoftie
(12,587 posts)I asked how come he seemed to say so many stupid things and her reply was "He does it to fool the democrats". So i said, "So you're saying he acts stupid to fool the democrats? How does that help him?"
She could only stammer about Dems getting over confident.
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)But you're right. It's no blunder. It is probably dementia caused by a series of small strokes. He's going downhill fast, mentally.
James48
(4,440 posts)were part of the revolutionary war.
✈️
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,363 posts)Some might say that it was only a Saturday Night Live skit with Kirk Douglas, but what if it was livestreamed time-travel?
paleotn
(17,947 posts)If it's not, it should be.
Maven
(10,533 posts)And to find ulterior motives and spread innuendo about everything Ds do. Makes it easier for them to play their "both sides" game.
This is the result of decades of conservatives playing the refs with their "liberal media bias" con job without adequate pushback from the left.
Our spokespeople need to start calling out media personalities for this nonsense on-air, to their faces.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)by throwing airport onto teleprompter. He was purely reading so makes sense to me . Nance loved it.
Sudsy
(58 posts)he's a different clown from the one at his off the script rallied. Maybe, his staff drugs his ass when he needs to try and sound rational. Maybe, they overdosed him a little yesterday.
llmart
(15,552 posts)If it had been a Democrat, they would have called it a constitutional crisis.
I'm sick of most of our mainstream media.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)who thinks like this? someone who is losing it, that's who
Initech
(100,100 posts)Obama gave speeches to crowds 3 times that size and he didn't need bulletproof glass. Just sayin'.
paleotn
(17,947 posts)They have good reason to be.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)My Voters dont either. He says whatever pops into his mind, which is a mash up of Meth history
unlike drunk history, inaccurate and delusional.
paleotn
(17,947 posts)coupled with a history of mental health issues, poor diet and old age.
Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)It's not like he said "house" instead of "horse," or "girl" instead of "grill." That whole damn speech was incoherent.
Was he talking about the Revolutionary War or the War of 1812? Or the Raid on Entebbe?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,360 posts)He said "Cornwallis of Yorktown", and "Fort McHendry".
maveric
(16,445 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,500 posts)He has a lifetime of eating poorly. I don't think he has ever exercised. He plays golf which has kept him somewhat active. But it's not exercise. He doesn't read. He watches TV.
Because of that he gets confused. Is it dementia? Probably. In its early stages. It happens when he gets overwhelmed.
He should not be president. Being president requires the ability to constantly multitask, to be able to work in ambiguity, to constantly learn or at least have a working knowledge of new technologies. He can't do any of that.
misanthrope
(7,422 posts)Occam's Razor says he is an old, willfully ignorant, lazy slob experiencing the standard effects of aging. A diagnosis beyond that requires a personal examination and evaluation but a qualified professional.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Until he craters the economy or gets hundreds of thousand killed, the media is going to let him slide.
The Democratic leadership don't seem to be fretting his fascism and ambitions to be America's Putin. l
They know something we don't or are we being hysterical...
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)....and WH aide rushes in to remove him from the room? The interview was in late 2018 -- we are just seeing this short clip.
Interesting, considering that Ivanka shadowed him as a MINDER at G20.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Thank you.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)[link:http://
Link to tweet
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It's the second message in that thread, I think.
The first message is the whole interview.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)And thank you.
coeur_de_lion
(3,681 posts)pamela
(3,469 posts)Well done, sir.
relayerbob
(6,553 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)He doesn't read to well.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)and doesn't understand a lot of words. It's incredibly easy to imagine him droning on and saying airport instead of fort
marble falls
(57,172 posts)Hotler
(11,444 posts)All the money spent on his education and he came away with nothing more than a 12th grade, C at best education. And on top of all that he is a dick.
mountain grammy
(26,646 posts)He just doesnt have a clue what hes saying.