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This is the best summary of why we hate 45 I've ever seen. (Original Post) nolabear Jul 2019 OP
Very good and thanks. yonder Jul 2019 #1
Very well stated Martin Eden Jul 2019 #2
kick and recommend trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #3
Great response by Chris O'Leary, followed by terrible response by Victor Lange. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #4
I wonder whether Victor prefers Fox or 4chan renate Jul 2019 #6
Victor seems to be very pleased with himself and thinks he's so smart. Bluepinky Jul 2019 #8
exactly! he's so proud of pledging allegiance to an asshole n/t renate Jul 2019 #15
Was that guy a trip or what? BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2019 #29
I started reading that response and quit after a few sentences. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2019 #33
well, that question was answered, all right renate Jul 2019 #5
Love Quora! Heartstrings Jul 2019 #7
Thanks for finding such a good article and sharing. Well organized list. Karadeniz Jul 2019 #9
KR zentrum Jul 2019 #10
K&R smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #11
I'd add he is a genocidal maniac, intent on carrying out a great genocide on the American people progree Jul 2019 #12
But the Stock Market lame54 Jul 2019 #13
Yup, up only 4.2% since January 2018 (nearly 1.5 years ago) progree Jul 2019 #14
Agreed with all but I don't have a problem with him "removing us as leaders..." MadDAsHell Jul 2019 #16
Without the USA Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #18
Alliance against who though? MadDAsHell Jul 2019 #19
If we don't Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #20
Right, but reverse a handful of years and we openly mocked the idea that Russia was even a threat. MadDAsHell Jul 2019 #22
K&R onecaliberal Jul 2019 #17
Excellent answers. kag Jul 2019 #21
Excellent point! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2019 #31
I read all of it. ReformedGOPer Jul 2019 #23
That's a well reasoned list. Harker Jul 2019 #24
K&R... spanone Jul 2019 #25
K&R . i just can't bring myself to hate trump tho. its a systemic issue as is ALL issues Kurt V. Jul 2019 #26
Well, that's okay. I'll handle that part for you. calimary Jul 2019 #37
Chris O'leary is a wonderful writer. warmfeet Jul 2019 #27
Also he had bdamomma Jul 2019 #28
How do we hate thee. 3catwoman3 Jul 2019 #30
Thanks so much for posting! BlueMTexpat Jul 2019 #32
I love the right-wing sealioning questions on Quora. forgotmylogin Jul 2019 #34
Thanks for the link Gymbo Jul 2019 #35
The BEST lady lib Jul 2019 #36
Another response: "People are hostile to Trump because he is a turd." ... Beartracks Jul 2019 #38
kick Demovictory9 Jul 2019 #39

Bluepinky

(2,275 posts)
4. Great response by Chris O'Leary, followed by terrible response by Victor Lange.
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jul 2019

Yes Victor, Trump is a saint, can’t understand why more than half the country can’t stand him. Must be due to the fake news media and libtard mentality. Wish we could all be as smart as you.

renate

(13,776 posts)
6. I wonder whether Victor prefers Fox or 4chan
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jul 2019

There's obviously a rather particular type of person that Trump appeals to. Victor is a great example of the kind of blind sheep who cheer when people like Trump gain authoritarian power.

Bluepinky

(2,275 posts)
8. Victor seems to be very pleased with himself and thinks he's so smart.
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:45 PM
Jul 2019

What he is in reality is ignorant and afraid of losing what little power he has. Victor sees Trump as a loud blowhard who won’t be ignored by others, and he wants to be that too.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
29. Was that guy a trip or what?
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:52 PM
Jul 2019

Halfway through I thought, This guy’s gotta be a huge Ayn Rand freak....and, whoa nelly, I was right!

renate

(13,776 posts)
5. well, that question was answered, all right
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:29 PM
Jul 2019

I appreciate the way it was just rational, supported by evidence, and matter-of-fact.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. K&R
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jul 2019

and bookmarked.

I read some of the comments on that thread and it just amazes me how many people there are out there who are completely living in their own twisted reality. They cannot be reasoned with. They are more interested in hanging on to their resentments than in seeing the situation clearly.

progree

(10,909 posts)
12. I'd add he is a genocidal maniac, intent on carrying out a great genocide on the American people
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:07 PM
Jul 2019

He supported the House's AHCA (American Health Care Act of 2017) and the Senate's BCRA (Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017), neither of which passed, but the BCRA failed by only one vote.

The CBO estimates of how many people would lose health insurance under the Republican healthcare plans AHCA: 23 million in 2026, BCRA: 22 million in 2026

As it is, the ending of risk corridors and ending funding of cost sharing reductions, and allowing junk insurance plans to undercut the ACA etc. is estimated to cause more than 10 million to lose insurance.

I'm sorry folks, but I just don't get why people don't think this is important. I'd rather he lie to me about the jobs numbers than to kill me.

progree

(10,909 posts)
14. Yup, up only 4.2% since January 2018 (nearly 1.5 years ago)
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jul 2019

Yes, it did super-great up to January 26, 2018 when the S&P 500 closed at 2873. But since then, it's just been essentially squirming and worming away essentially sideways

Looking at the S&P 500 just now (3:20 PM ET) it's 2993. That's up only 4.2% from the January 26, 2018 close of 2873.

Meanwhile, the job numbers are faltering

In its 29 months, the Trump economy has created 810,000 FEWER jobs than Obama's last 29 months

and the pace of job creation has markedly slowed in 2019 ...

Summary: Average monthly net new jobs created
221,000    <- Obama's last 29 months
194,000    <- Trump's 29 months (February 2017 through June 2019)
172,000    <- 2019 so far (January through June)
144,000    <- Last 5 months (February 2019 through June 2019)

Most of this is from a Forbes contributor. It also checks out with the Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers

details: https://www.democraticunderground.com/111685907

If someone says that, well gee, my boss can't find anyone to fill the open positions, the unemployment rate is at 50 year lows, blah blah, ask them why, if the labor market is so "tight", why the prime-age (25-54) labor force participation rate is down from pre-Great Recession average levels, going decades back -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12256909

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
16. Agreed with all but I don't have a problem with him "removing us as leaders..."
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:25 PM
Jul 2019

"...of the international community."

Who the hell designated the USA as a "leader" of the world anyway? I've always viewed this viewpoint as an extremely ethnocentric and racist assumption made by holier than thou white folk.

The world does not need white saviors.

Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
18. Without the USA
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019

as a leader, the Western alliance falters. And that has terrible worldwide implications.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
19. Alliance against who though?
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:45 PM
Jul 2019

Again, this seems to assume that the USA is this white savior saving the rest of the world from some unspeakable evil.

Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
20. If we don't
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jul 2019

lend our strength to groups like NATO, then countries like Russia will become dominant in the area. Putin openly wants to end western liberalism. We need a US that’s firmly committed to upholding those ideals. I’m not blind to the fact that we don’t always live up to our ideals, especially in places like Latin America.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
22. Right, but reverse a handful of years and we openly mocked the idea that Russia was even a threat.
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:19 PM
Jul 2019

Remember what an ass Mittens looked like even suggesting that Russia might not be our best friend? within three years of that they were enemy #1, which tells me that the "enemy" is whomever the powers-that-be decide to tell us is the enemy at that point in time, nothing more.

kag

(4,079 posts)
21. Excellent answers.
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:49 PM
Jul 2019

The one he left out that I would have put high on the list is this:

Dump is using the US Presidency to enrich himself and his family. He's making a killing at his DC hotel, using it as a way for other nations to bribe him into doing what they want. He also takes money from wealthy US citizens (in the form of club fees and hotel stays) as bribes to lower their taxes. And it works. He does whatever they want...as long as they pay him.

ReformedGOPer

(478 posts)
23. I read all of it.
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jul 2019

Unfortunately, there are some magats on there expressing their undying love for the orange man. It was a bit depressing reading their cultish thoughts.

Harker

(14,024 posts)
24. That's a well reasoned list.
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:33 PM
Jul 2019

I'd put the beginning of our current state of toxic polarization much earlier, though. Reagan and Gingrich come immediately to mind.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
27. Chris O'leary is a wonderful writer.
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:54 PM
Jul 2019

I have followed him on Quora for quite some time.

Many members here would also enjoy Quora.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
28. Also he had
Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jul 2019

foreign adversary to interfere with our election, and sold our country to the highest bidders.

Hate him for what he has done to our country. Vote him out!!

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
34. I love the right-wing sealioning questions on Quora.
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:40 AM
Jul 2019

Usually they're more blatant, but you can hear the implication:

"Why are people (the lib'rul left) so hostile toward (our Great) President Donald J. ('murica) Trump?"

The "He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative." is basically the best short version of this.

It's very true: "He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate."

There is another response a bit lower from Jim Davis (likely not that one!) that starts:

He is personally despicable. He is a hardcore narcissist who cares or thinks literally about no one but himself, except maybe for Ivanka, his daughter, whom he openly lusts after, making remarks about her physical beauty, particularly “her rack.” These are indecent thoughts from an indecent man. He is openly misogynistic, reducing women to sex objects and admittedly “grab[bing] them by the pussy.” He says, “They let you when you’re a star,” which is how he sees himself.


Further down, Michael Lawson:

Donald Trump was rich, but he was not one of them. He was brash, and bold, and he used off-color language, and he’s about as subtle as a dick in a birthday cake. He got along far better with cab drivers, strippers, and construction workers than he did with Ivy League polisci dorks like the ones in Washington. He was a peasant who took a shot at the big chair, and at first, they thought it was hilarious.


Also astute observation by Adam Roach:

He asked for it.

Donald Trump has spent the last 8 years trolling Barack Obama. He became the face of Right Wing internet Trolls. Blasting the then President with unfounded half truths, outright lies and grandiose claims.

The Obama people kinda sat back and watched, occasionally chastising or just shook their heads. They took their queue from Obama himself, who essentially ignored Donald Trump.

Many of them wanted to lash out and vent their anger but they attempted to emulate old Barry.

Barack Obama is gone now and there is no new leader to Chill them out. They have nearly a decade of pent up frustration with the ill informed subsets of the Right Wing and there is no good reason not to cut loose.

I sympathize. Donald Trump is principally responsible for my affection for Obama. I shouldn't like Barry nearly as much as I do but after years of watching him more or less Handle the Extreme Right I realized he was a better man than I. A better Leader.

Trump has brought a lack of civility and decorum to our politics but that's a double edged sword That swings both ways. Liberals can scream and berate just as well as conservatives.

Historically it's the leftist liberals you have to watch out for too. A little crowd of them once wrote the Declaration of Independence, another group toppled France, still another group waged war across the entire length of Asia and beyond. Angry leftists tend to do things.

Trump may have woken a sleeping giant. The liberals have been in retreat for 3 decades in this country. For so long that most don't remember how they were when they were motivated and focused. Every time he opens his mouth he reinforces that focus.

Gymbo

(133 posts)
35. Thanks for the link
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:40 AM
Jul 2019

I particularly liked the response from Victor Lange. He gave me the ammo to deconstruct each position a Trumper will throw at me during the upcoming election season. My relatives are going to hate me on Thanksgiving.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
38. Another response: "People are hostile to Trump because he is a turd." ...
Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:05 PM
Jul 2019

... To be fair, they go on to cite a definition of a turd found in The Oxford English Dictionary: 'a person regarded as obnoxious or contemptible.'”



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