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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is the best summary of why we hate 45 I've ever seen.
Spelled out. One by one. Im sure theres more but this is simple truth and Id like to send it to everyone in the country.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-people-so-hostile-towards-President-Donald-Trump
yonder
(9,667 posts)Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)K&R
trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)Yes Victor, Trump is a saint, cant understand why more than half the country cant stand him. Must be due to the fake news media and libtard mentality. Wish we could all be as smart as you.
renate
(13,776 posts)There's obviously a rather particular type of person that Trump appeals to. Victor is a great example of the kind of blind sheep who cheer when people like Trump gain authoritarian power.
Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)What he is in reality is ignorant and afraid of losing what little power he has. Victor sees Trump as a loud blowhard who wont be ignored by others, and he wants to be that too.
renate
(13,776 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Halfway through I thought, This guys gotta be a huge Ayn Rand freak....and, whoa nelly, I was right!
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)I appreciate the way it was just rational, supported by evidence, and matter-of-fact.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Thanks, nolabear!
Karadeniz
(22,537 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)and bookmarked.
I read some of the comments on that thread and it just amazes me how many people there are out there who are completely living in their own twisted reality. They cannot be reasoned with. They are more interested in hanging on to their resentments than in seeing the situation clearly.
progree
(10,909 posts)He supported the House's AHCA (American Health Care Act of 2017) and the Senate's BCRA (Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017), neither of which passed, but the BCRA failed by only one vote.
The CBO estimates of how many people would lose health insurance under the Republican healthcare plans AHCA: 23 million in 2026, BCRA: 22 million in 2026
As it is, the ending of risk corridors and ending funding of cost sharing reductions, and allowing junk insurance plans to undercut the ACA etc. is estimated to cause more than 10 million to lose insurance.
I'm sorry folks, but I just don't get why people don't think this is important. I'd rather he lie to me about the jobs numbers than to kill me.
lame54
(35,294 posts)progree
(10,909 posts)Yes, it did super-great up to January 26, 2018 when the S&P 500 closed at 2873. But since then, it's just been essentially squirming and worming away essentially sideways
Looking at the S&P 500 just now (3:20 PM ET) it's 2993. That's up only 4.2% from the January 26, 2018 close of 2873.
Meanwhile, the job numbers are faltering
In its 29 months, the Trump economy has created 810,000 FEWER jobs than Obama's last 29 months
and the pace of job creation has markedly slowed in 2019 ...
Summary: Average monthly net new jobs created
221,000 <- Obama's last 29 months
194,000 <- Trump's 29 months (February 2017 through June 2019)
172,000 <- 2019 so far (January through June)
144,000 <- Last 5 months (February 2019 through June 2019)
Most of this is from a Forbes contributor. It also checks out with the Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers
details: https://www.democraticunderground.com/111685907
If someone says that, well gee, my boss can't find anyone to fill the open positions, the unemployment rate is at 50 year lows, blah blah, ask them why, if the labor market is so "tight", why the prime-age (25-54) labor force participation rate is down from pre-Great Recession average levels, going decades back -
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12256909
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)"...of the international community."
Who the hell designated the USA as a "leader" of the world anyway? I've always viewed this viewpoint as an extremely ethnocentric and racist assumption made by holier than thou white folk.
The world does not need white saviors.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)as a leader, the Western alliance falters. And that has terrible worldwide implications.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Again, this seems to assume that the USA is this white savior saving the rest of the world from some unspeakable evil.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)lend our strength to groups like NATO, then countries like Russia will become dominant in the area. Putin openly wants to end western liberalism. We need a US thats firmly committed to upholding those ideals. Im not blind to the fact that we dont always live up to our ideals, especially in places like Latin America.
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)Remember what an ass Mittens looked like even suggesting that Russia might not be our best friend? within three years of that they were enemy #1, which tells me that the "enemy" is whomever the powers-that-be decide to tell us is the enemy at that point in time, nothing more.
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)The one he left out that I would have put high on the list is this:
Dump is using the US Presidency to enrich himself and his family. He's making a killing at his DC hotel, using it as a way for other nations to bribe him into doing what they want. He also takes money from wealthy US citizens (in the form of club fees and hotel stays) as bribes to lower their taxes. And it works. He does whatever they want...as long as they pay him.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)ReformedGOPer
(478 posts)Unfortunately, there are some magats on there expressing their undying love for the orange man. It was a bit depressing reading their cultish thoughts.
Harker
(14,024 posts)I'd put the beginning of our current state of toxic polarization much earlier, though. Reagan and Gingrich come immediately to mind.
spanone
(135,844 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)calimary
(81,322 posts)Comes really easy for me these days.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I have followed him on Quora for quite some time.
Many members here would also enjoy Quora.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)foreign adversary to interfere with our election, and sold our country to the highest bidders.
Hate him for what he has done to our country. Vote him out!!
3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)Let us count the ways.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)I have shared the link on social media.
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)Usually they're more blatant, but you can hear the implication:
"Why are people (the lib'rul left) so hostile toward (our Great) President Donald J. ('murica) Trump?"
The "Hes an authoritarian populist, not a conservative." is basically the best short version of this.
It's very true: "He advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are supposed to hate."
There is another response a bit lower from Jim Davis (likely not that one!) that starts:
Further down, Michael Lawson:
Also astute observation by Adam Roach:
Donald Trump has spent the last 8 years trolling Barack Obama. He became the face of Right Wing internet Trolls. Blasting the then President with unfounded half truths, outright lies and grandiose claims.
The Obama people kinda sat back and watched, occasionally chastising or just shook their heads. They took their queue from Obama himself, who essentially ignored Donald Trump.
Many of them wanted to lash out and vent their anger but they attempted to emulate old Barry.
Barack Obama is gone now and there is no new leader to Chill them out. They have nearly a decade of pent up frustration with the ill informed subsets of the Right Wing and there is no good reason not to cut loose.
I sympathize. Donald Trump is principally responsible for my affection for Obama. I shouldn't like Barry nearly as much as I do but after years of watching him more or less Handle the Extreme Right I realized he was a better man than I. A better Leader.
Trump has brought a lack of civility and decorum to our politics but that's a double edged sword That swings both ways. Liberals can scream and berate just as well as conservatives.
Historically it's the leftist liberals you have to watch out for too. A little crowd of them once wrote the Declaration of Independence, another group toppled France, still another group waged war across the entire length of Asia and beyond. Angry leftists tend to do things.
Trump may have woken a sleeping giant. The liberals have been in retreat for 3 decades in this country. For so long that most don't remember how they were when they were motivated and focused. Every time he opens his mouth he reinforces that focus.
Gymbo
(133 posts)I particularly liked the response from Victor Lange. He gave me the ammo to deconstruct each position a Trumper will throw at me during the upcoming election season. My relatives are going to hate me on Thanksgiving.
lady lib
(2,933 posts)This should be distributed widely.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)... To be fair, they go on to cite a definition of a turd found in The Oxford English Dictionary: 'a person regarded as obnoxious or contemptible.'
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