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Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:04 PM Jul 2019

Trump on television talking about the debt ceiling.

Accusing Obama of doubling the debt. And even said that some of Obama's debt flowed into his own term. No one was there to question him.

Anyone care to break this down for us? I am just wondering how long it will take for the fact checkers to weigh in on the media.

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Trump on television talking about the debt ceiling. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 OP
Malarkey. As Joe will surely say. C_U_L8R Jul 2019 #1
I think that the debt is an issue that the Dem candidates should Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #2
That word "malarkey" will certainly change the minds of Trumpers --- not -- but it's how he in2herbs Jul 2019 #7
Buzz Aldrin was there for that. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2019 #3
He mastered a polished 'Stink eye' from the last visit Brother Buzz Jul 2019 #19
You mean the debt isn't the smallest its ever been under Trump? pwb Jul 2019 #4
Exactly. Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #6
No one is ever there to question him or to present the facts. ooky Jul 2019 #5
what are they bdamomma Jul 2019 #9
Corner him? How? ooky Jul 2019 #11
just keep blasting their bdamomma Jul 2019 #12
They just let him talk Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #14
The policies that caused most of the debt under Obama were put in place by republicans Elwood P Dowd Jul 2019 #8
Wish I could carry this on a card Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #15
Don't forget how McConnell and the Repubs rode the brakes for most of the Obama presidency. Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #17
Did he mention we hit the debt ceiling weeks early? gratuitous Jul 2019 #10
... Leghorn21 Jul 2019 #13
There you go Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #16
It's partly true Bradical79 Jul 2019 #18
Thank you! Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #20

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
2. I think that the debt is an issue that the Dem candidates should
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jul 2019

cream him on. Especially his lies. Nail him!

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
7. That word "malarkey" will certainly change the minds of Trumpers --- not -- but it's how he
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jul 2019

will probably respond.

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
6. Exactly.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2019, 02:13 PM - Edit history (1)

He's twisting the facts. And someone needs to call him out because this is where he's the most vulnerable.

ooky

(8,923 posts)
11. Corner him? How?
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jul 2019

Seems likes every time I am watching if he is questioned he just lies his way through it and not held accountable for the lie. I didn't see this particular exchange but I will make a blind wager if he was talking about Obama "doubling the debt" that there was no one presenting facts on spending during Obama administration vs his.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
12. just keep blasting their
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:45 PM
Jul 2019

questions at him, let him loose it. I am wishing that anger problem he has will do him in.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
8. The policies that caused most of the debt under Obama were put in place by republicans
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jul 2019

prior to him taking office. Just look at the GW Bush policies that added trillions to the debt during Obama's term...

War in Iraq started by GW Bush
War in Afghanistan started by GW Bush
Homeland Security Act by GW Bush
Medicare Drug Bill by GW Bush
Bailing out the banks by GW Bush
Massive tax breaks that cut revenue and added to the debt by GW Bush
Massive economic disaster caused by GW Bush that required Obama's stimulus policies to prevent a depression

All of these republican approved policies added trillions to our debt during Obama's term.

Baitball Blogger

(46,709 posts)
15. Wish I could carry this on a card
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 02:16 PM
Jul 2019

This is why they keep supporting him. No one explains Obama’s position.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
17. Don't forget how McConnell and the Repubs rode the brakes for most of the Obama presidency.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jul 2019

Most economists said that the stimulus package should have been twice as big as it was, and it was the Repubs who basically forced us to maintain the Bush taxcuts for several years after they should have been rescinded.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. Did he mention we hit the debt ceiling weeks early?
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jul 2019

I'll bet not, because the reason for that was his massive tax cuts for his overrich buddies. The Republican solution, as always, is to cut spending (particularly on the poors) instead of raising taxes on the wealthy. Isn't it odd how that works out? After blowing a hole in the budget last year, Sen. Paul was suddenly concerned this week about the fiscal impact of funding relief for first responders to the 9/11 attacks. A billion dollars a year for 10 full years! Mercy! How are we going to pay for that? What? Trump wants to start another war, this time in Iran? No problem! Plenty of give in the budget to afford that.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
13. ...
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jul 2019
Trump said, "I can't imagine anybody ever even thinking
of using the debt ceiling as a negotiating wedge." Mick Mulvaney,
now his acting chief of staff, is literally right there.

Trump today: "I can't imagine anybody ever even thinking
of using the debt ceiling as a negotiating wedge." Trump in 2012:


 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
18. It's partly true
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jul 2019

In the most common manner of calculating debt increase (simple subtraction), under Obama the debt went from $10.6 Trillion to $19.9 Trillion. And Trump is also correct that he inherited some debt from President Obama.

The comparison isn't a fair one though in that Bush should get credited with the deficit from Obama's first year, like Trump is crediting Obama for his early defecit. The first year of a President's term, they're operating under the previous year's budget.

The common way we talk about the debt and defecit is over simplified though relative to what's actually happening.

A basic explation can be seen here:

https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

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