Ted Cruz: Here are the numbers on Extremist terrorism: Right Wing vs Antifa

[NewJeffCT]

Caroline Orr (@RVAWonk on Twitter) kicks Ted Cruz's ass on Antifa

Link to tweet

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text of her response to Cruz:

-30 years of antifascist activity in the US: 1 confirmed fatality (a nazi who was shot during an altercation in 1993).

-20 years of far-right extremist activity (1990-2012) in the US: 670 fatalities, 3,053 nonfatal injuries, & 4,420 attacks.

[rampartc]

1. i'm not convinced that there is an organization or movement called "antifa"

the entire business sounds like a rwnj prank.

[Caliman73]

5. Oh it is real. Though you are right, it is not an organization.

Antifa is a group of organizations that work together to stand up against extreme right wing ideological groups who are advancing a fascist mindset. There is no leadership, there is no regional or national structure. They are usually very local groups that share views and information through social media and the internet on planned fascist activity and work behind the scenes and through direct confrontation.

The main problem people have with Antifa is that they scare the crap out of everyone because many of them are socialist and anarchist groups that see Capitalism as a big part of the problem that facilitates fascism. So, while they oppose the right, they also oppose the center and liberal (classical liberalism) ideology which continues to support hierarchical structures that they say eventually lead back to a fascistic state.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. I don't have a problem with their ideology.

I do have a problem with a group whose members won't show their faces in public, won't speak out on the record, and who treat violent confrontation as a default approach to dealing with their opponents.

I don't believe that they do anything positive for our side, but allow the radical right to conflate them with the rest of us, for use as a scare tactic.

[Caliman73]

19. Which is exactly why they have to protect their identity.

Of course you have a problem with their ideology. They are for challenging the existing paradigm. The paradigm that you and I live in and accept as the best economic and political system.

They do not see violent confrontation as the "default" approach. It is a response to violence or the threat of violence.

The "radical right" will conflate or make up or do whatever to remove opposition. It is up to us to fall for it or not. Our side isn't doing so hot at stopping the momentum of right wingers. We should take all the help we can get.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. You have no idea what my attitude is towards the "existing paradigm".

And no, I don't think that accepting "help" from them would benefit the opponents of the radical right in any way. I think they do far more to advance the interests of the far right than they do to harm those interests.

You are of course free to disagree with me, but I'm free to have my own opinion as well.

[Progressive Jones]

24. They are soldiers, not politicians. nt

[GentryDixon]

6. It is a Russian backed orgaization.

[Stainless]

25. Why don't you provide a link.........

to prove your fascist accusation, snowflake?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

26. No, it's not. nt

[The Mouth]

10. there is Antifa, and then there is the Black Bloc

I think the Black Bloc rioters may well be agents provocateurs, they certainly do our cause no good. Smashing in a storefront or overturning a car is just being a fucking hooligan who should be harshly dealt with, but somehow the cops never seem to catch them....

although this asshole didn't do anyone any favors, either...
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-takes-3-year-probation-deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case. But that's hardly driving a car into a crowd.

[Leghorn21]

2. OMG, more Ted replies:

Their views are "Nazis are bad" Ted. They're intolerant of Nazis. Look I'm sorry you can't find a tarantula in which to lay your eggs but don't take your frustration out on the rest of us.


I notice that not one of the chuds replying to this have contested the fact that Ted Cruz is indeed frustrated because he cannot find a tarantula in which to lay his eggs b/c even someone so divorced from reality they think ICE isn't fascist knows Ted Cruz is a giant wasp.

[TheRealNorth]

3. And the repression begins

To my knowledge, there is no group called AntiFa- it's just an umbrella term applied to left wing and (maybe?) anarchist/black block groups that favor confrontation and/or use of violence against Nazis or other alt-right groups that use intimidation or violence.

[TheRealNorth]

4. So one has to wonder

How broadly would the justice department define groups as belong ing to antifa.

[0rganism]

8. incoming: if you protest against Trump & friends you're "antifa"

and maybe "Alcaida" too (yes, that's how it's spelled in his speech notes)

so you'll be subject to arrest, expedited prosecution, and, most importantly to the cons, asset forfeiture.

welcome to Great America, papers please!

[Initech]

16. And sometimes I wonder if Gavin McInnes controls both groups.

It seems no matter where the Proud Boys go, Antifa isn't far behind. I mean do these guys have synced up drinking schedules or something?

[ProudLib72]

7. The GOP must be labelled a hate group!

The GOP must be labelled a hate group! The GOP must be labelled a hate group! The GOP must be labelled a hate group!
The GOP must be labelled a hate group! The GOP must be labelled a hate group! The GOP must be labelled a hate group!
The GOP must be labelled a hate group! The GOP must be labelled a hate group! The GOP must be labelled a hate group!

[Pepsidog]

18. You are right.

[SCVDem]

9. The KGOP is a hate group!

They must be sanctioned accordingly!

[NewJeffCT]

11. agreed

sadly, the media would take the statistics above - 1 death from antifa and 670 from RW terrorism and say both sides do it

[SCVDem]

14. Screw moral equivalency! nm

[Firestorm49]

12. Any time they don't have squat for a defense, they try to turn the tables.

It’s the same old boring, stupid, childish philosophy, and we don’t buy it.

Cruz doesn’t even make a good stooge.

[NoMoreRepugs]

15. Isn't Cruz supposed to be one of the "smart" Rethugs??

[jimmil]

17. Can you use "smart" and "Rethug" in the same sentence?

Grammatically speaking of course.

[NewJeffCT]

28. Supposedly

but, he also earned the nickname Lyin' Ted Cruz for a reason.

[JAD]

20. General George Patton's Army

was the Original Antifa. General Clark's Army was also Antifa.

[Caliman73]

21. Here is some information about Antifa.

This is quite a long video so take it in chunks.

[ProudLib72]

23. Cruz needs to be sent back to his own country!

SEND HIM BACK!

[gopiscrap]

27. wow fuck ted cruz

[area51]

29. If Rafael "Ted" Cruz doesn't like our country

he can always go back to his home country of Canada.