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struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 04:41 PM Jul 2019

Conservative intellectuals at a turning point

By Anne Applebaum
July 19 at 11:06 AM

In the short span of a few days, two very different events unfolded that will, together, shape American politics for the next decade. At a rally in Greenville, N.C., the president of the United States, though he later tried to deny it, egged on a crowd to chant “send her back,” echoing not only his own racist tweets from a few days earlier, but also the language of American nativists down the decades. From the 19th-century movements that sought to send emancipated slaves back to Africa to the anti-Catholic “Know Nothing” party and the Ku Klux Klan, the notion that only certain kinds of Americans are “real Americans” is one that we have heard many times and know very well.

“Send her back” also chimes beautifully with the modern language of the European far right, especially the Identitarians, a conspiracy network that believes in the existence of a secret plot, organized by Jews, to replace white Europeans with brown ones. The group, which assiduously seeks to gain followers in the United States, calls repeatedly for “remigration” — in other words, “send them back” — and promotes the idea online whenever it can. Some of Trump’s followers surely recognize those ideas even if they don’t know where they come from. Already those ideas appeal to an extremist fringe: Both the synagogue shooters in the United States and the mosque shooter in New Zealand were inspired by them.

Many miles away from the Greenville rally, a group of intellectuals met in a ballroom in Washington. These were “national conservatives,” thinkers and writers who are trying, in the wake of the president’s destruction of American conservatism as we know it, to build something new in its place. This is not an easy task ...

... Tucker Carlson <used> his moment on the podium to dismiss the problem of racism as boring. (“It can’t be fixed; it can’t be changed.”) One or two of the speakers are already established fellow travelers, active participants in the whitewashing of authoritarian nationalism in Europe. Hazony’s .. book in praise of nationalism contains a bizarre and ahistorical description of the formation of nations: groups of families, clans or tribes that came together in some mythical pre-modern era and decided to be unified — a definition that .. clearly excludes .. pretty much every .. modern nation-state ...

... Americans have proved that they can be loyal to, and will fight on behalf of, a more complex, more cerebral national ideal, one derived from ideas of democracy and justice as opposed to blood and soil. By contrast, those who promote a narrower, nativist definition of America will weaken and divide us, as the president is already doing. They will teach us to hate one another and lose us the respect we once had abroad ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/conservative-intellectuals-are-at-a-turning-point-normalize-trump-or-resist-him/2019/07/19/25e5b06e-a978-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html?utm_term=.cc0949b9d1a9

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Conservative intellectuals at a turning point (Original Post) struggle4progress Jul 2019 OP
Isn't Conservative and Intellectual JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #1
It wasn't always. trev Jul 2019 #7
There's still people like George Will and David Frum. Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #11
Usually Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2019 #13
Conservative intellectuals is a funny way of saying racist pig .... stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #2
That used to not be the case outright, but they did dance on the edge. Blue_true Jul 2019 #14
William Buckley's "National Review" has an absolutely brutal history of racism - bullwinkle428 Jul 2019 #18
+! struggle4progress Jul 2019 #19
Wait... Tucker Carlson is part of the conservative inallekshuals? ProudLib72 Jul 2019 #3
"You can tell I is smart cuz I wears a bowtie!" struggle4progress Jul 2019 #4
Two words that never go together. onecaliberal Jul 2019 #5
So they dismiss racism as boring and unfixable, and actively praise autocrats. LisaM Jul 2019 #6
Couldn't get past tazkcmo Jul 2019 #8
I have nothing to add to this onethatcares Jul 2019 #9
Bungle's clown car struggle4progress Jul 2019 #10
The "turning point" was 2016 Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #12
The turning point was well before 2016. Blue_true Jul 2019 #15
Holy crap, this reads like satire but it's for real and not at all funny. hedda_foil Jul 2019 #16
oxy morons eShirl Jul 2019 #17

trev

(1,480 posts)
7. It wasn't always.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:12 PM
Jul 2019

People like William F. Buckley and Will Safire used to give erudite arguments. (So erudite, "Doonesbury" ran a series of strips mocking Safire's use of esoteric language.) But with the advent of Bush and the rise of Limbaugh, those days are long gone.

Conservatives are pretty much ignoramuses anymore.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
11. There's still people like George Will and David Frum.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jul 2019

And others like them. They're now complete outsiders from the conservative movement though.

I don't see in what universe, #ucker Carlson could be regarded as an intellectual.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. That used to not be the case outright, but they did dance on the edge.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jul 2019

Someone pointed out William Buckley and William Safir as two of the top ones. They were not racists, but they saw racist elements coming into their party and partially gave those racists intellectual cover. George Will did the same thing. Younger ones like Jennifer Rubin and David Frum were just dyed in the wool conservatives who desired to give liberals no quarter, they too were not racists and they did not welcome the darker elements into their party but did nothing to stop those dark elements when they could have. So now they are rudderless, without a party and without real influence, longingly looking at democrats to help them get their party back. What I hope they realize and teach young ethical conservatives is that just because a person fiercely but ethically disagree with your prescriptions on what ails society, that does not make them unpatriotic or evil and that it is still possible to work with them to gain solutions that while not all of what a given block wanted, moves the country forward.

LisaM

(27,811 posts)
6. So they dismiss racism as boring and unfixable, and actively praise autocrats.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:01 PM
Jul 2019

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
12. The "turning point" was 2016
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jul 2019

Conservative intellectuals are sticking with Donnie until the bitter end... It's not like any prominent ones dared criticize Trump's Klan rally, anyway

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. The turning point was well before 2016.
Fri Jul 19, 2019, 09:41 PM
Jul 2019

It went back to 1980 when Ronald Reagan used racially coded imagery to describe everyone from protesters of police violence to welfare recipients. The cancer that became Trump has been growing within the Republican Party for decades.

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