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applegrove

(118,845 posts)
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 08:31 PM Jul 2019

Conservative intellectuals are at a turning point: Normalize Trump or resist him?

Conservative intellectuals are at a turning point: Normalize Trump or resist him?

President Trump at the White House on Wednesday. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

By Anne Applebaum at the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/conservative-intellectuals-are-at-a-turning-point-normalize-trump-or-resist-him/2019/07/19/25e5b06e-a978-11e9-86dd-d7f0e60391e9_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.5b3cef900cbe

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It is still possible for American conservatism to avoid this trap. According to several accounts, the co-organizer of this “national conservative” gathering, Israeli academic Yoram Hazony, banned open white supremacists from the meeting and warned the conference against them. Many speakers chose unifying themes, focusing on a more communitarian, less individualistic vision of society, a path away from libertarianism that some European conservatives also want to follow.

But Tucker Carlson did use his moment on the podium to dismiss the problem of racism as boring. (“It can’t be fixed; it can’t be changed.”) One or two of the speakers are already established fellow travelers, active participants in the whitewashing of authoritarian nationalism in Europe. Hazony’s own book in praise of nationalism contains a bizarre and ahistorical description of the formation of nations: groups of families, clans or tribes that came together in some mythical pre-modern era and decided to be unified — a definition that might fit biblical Israel but clearly excludes the United States, as well pretty much every other modern nation-state. He also dismisses any forms of international cooperation as “imperialism,” understands almost nothing about the European Union and seems incapable of coming to terms with the idea that “patriotism” might be something different and distinct from “nationalism.”

But there is a reason that, in recent history, we have consistently spoken about civic patriotism and not nationalism in the United States: because we are not, and never will be, a nation held together by ethnic blood ties. In its way, this is what gives us our strength. All nations are imagined communities, and our imagined community is based on a uniquely inspiring set of principles. Americans have proved that they can be loyal to, and will fight on behalf of, a more complex, more cerebral national ideal, one derived from ideas of democracy and justice as opposed to blood and soil. By contrast, those who promote a narrower, nativist definition of America will weaken and divide us, as the president is already doing. They will teach us to hate one another and lose us the respect we once had abroad.

Having left it myself, albeit quite a while ago, I have some sympathy: The conservative movement is at a real turning point. But its most intelligent thinkers will soon have to decide whether they will continue to normalize Trump, providing him with the intellectual framework to indulge the dangerous impulses on display in Greenville, or whether they will try to create something that gives the Republican Party, at least, some viable alternative once Trumpism fails. If they can bring themselves to abandon the word “nationalism,” that will be a good sign.


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Conservative intellectuals are at a turning point: Normalize Trump or resist him? (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2019 OP
Hm. The Post considers Carlson an "intellectual?" trev Jul 2019 #1
Someone will have to explain that to me as well. ooky Jul 2019 #2
Maybe it is an intervention of Tucker disguised as an academic meeting. applegrove Jul 2019 #3
By conservative standards, he is Azathoth Jul 2019 #15
2-1/2 years too late. Johnny2X2X Jul 2019 #4
My view is that it died with PNAC. trev Jul 2019 #5
It died in the 1960s & 70s with Movement conservatism. After that republican applegrove Jul 2019 #7
What is a conservative intellectual? smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #6
Beats the hell outta me. Never heard of one Roland99 Jul 2019 #10
I know a lot of intellectuals, including our crazy Provost and former President. redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #8
They should have already decided, by now. SharonAnn Jul 2019 #9
Good point. applegrove Jul 2019 #11
Who the hell cares? Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #12
Are you for racism or against it? applegrove Jul 2019 #13
Isn't "conservative intellectual" an oxymoron? Vinca Jul 2019 #14

ooky

(8,930 posts)
2. Someone will have to explain that to me as well.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 08:47 PM
Jul 2019

I had him pegged as an out of the closet fascist and propagandist.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
15. By conservative standards, he is
Sun Jul 21, 2019, 09:29 AM
Jul 2019

The base has always regarded people like Buckley and Will as useful idiot eggheads. They never read a Buckley column and learned something about conservative ideology.

The real "intellectuals" of conservatism, the people who actually develop and teach its philosophy to the devout, are Limbaugh and his spawn.

trev

(1,480 posts)
5. My view is that it died with PNAC.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:08 PM
Jul 2019

It then joined with the RW conspiracy theorists of the 1930s and 40s.

applegrove

(118,845 posts)
7. It died in the 1960s & 70s with Movement conservatism. After that republican
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jul 2019

politics is just a puppet show.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. What is a conservative intellectual?
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:15 PM
Jul 2019

Seriously, is there really such a thing? I can't imagine it. I cannot think of a logical argument in favor of right-wing politics since the only purpose of "conservatism" is to make the rich richer, the empowered more powerful and the privileged more privileged.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
8. I know a lot of intellectuals, including our crazy Provost and former President.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:26 PM
Jul 2019

All of the conservative ones I know love Trumper.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
12. Who the hell cares?
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 11:26 PM
Jul 2019

If they haven't made up their minds by now, "intellectual" is the last word I would use to describe them.

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