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GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:07 AM Jul 2019

I am completely disgusted by what I am seeing in this proceeding

Congressman on both sides are allowing Mueller's "I'm not going to get into that" defense pass without challenge.

They are accepting, without a fight, Mueller's duck and run statements on obstruction. The report factually establishes each of the 3 elements of obstruction, which Mueller says is true. Yet when they draw the conclusion that since the elements are there, the crime took place, Mueller ducks and runs saying "I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion".

There is no courage here.

There is no patriotism here.

There is no honesty here.

While the Democrats are trying, it seems to me they might have been better off not having had the hearing.

Mueller's credibility has been irreparably damaged which will leave his report with less weight.

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I am completely disgusted by what I am seeing in this proceeding (Original Post) GitRDun Jul 2019 OP
His opening statement that there was no conspiracy/cooperation and Barr didn't Hoyt Jul 2019 #1
Just stop with the both sides stuff... Joe941 Jul 2019 #2
I SO Agree with you. Nt live love laugh Jul 2019 #23
Totally disagree. Mueller oversaw the investigation and Ninga Jul 2019 #3
Bullshit. He's doing what he said he'd do. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #4
No one is asking for the Incredible Hulk GitRDun Jul 2019 #18
He said he wouldn't go beyond the report. He made that clear several times. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #22
He did say that and I think the hearing's still managed to live love laugh Jul 2019 #25
When did we enter the age of the witness gets to pick and choose what they answer? jberryhill Jul 2019 #27
This, apparently, was the deal Mueller struck with the committees. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #28
The report that apparently 3-10% of the population has bothered to read? Moostache Jul 2019 #5
Really? That's not what I'm watching. Claritie Pixie Jul 2019 #6
Lol I am not emotional about it, just disgusted. GitRDun Jul 2019 #12
I am impressed with Democrats True Blue American Jul 2019 #14
He's a company man. He asked Barr for guidance on what he could say to Congress. jalan48 Jul 2019 #7
We all wanted a Hero but instead we just got a company man njhoneybadger Jul 2019 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Jul 2019 #8
I did n/t GitRDun Jul 2019 #13
Thank you. True Blue American Jul 2019 #15
so what do you expect them to do qazplm135 Jul 2019 #10
Are you actually watching or listening to the hearing? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #11
I am not advancing both sides crap GitRDun Jul 2019 #16
We're dealing with a Fascist President while making apologies for the one person who jalan48 Jul 2019 #17
Could do something but won't GitRDun Jul 2019 #20
Arguing that "No one" is doing it IS arguing "Both sides" StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #19
I'll just agree to disagree on the both sides issue GitRDun Jul 2019 #24
"Congressman on both sides " TwilightZone Jul 2019 #30
Reading is a skill GitRDun Jul 2019 #31
Yawn. ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #21
Politics works in mysterious ways. I think it has been fabulous! redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #26
He is useless for the most part cureautismnow Jul 2019 #29
Amen! n/t GitRDun Jul 2019 #32
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. His opening statement that there was no conspiracy/cooperation and Barr didn't
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:09 AM
Jul 2019

interfere was a total wimp out.

Ninga

(8,277 posts)
3. Totally disagree. Mueller oversaw the investigation and
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jul 2019

compiled his report from the work of others.
His reliance on the report makes complete
sense.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
4. Bullshit. He's doing what he said he'd do.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:12 AM
Jul 2019

Any expectations that he'd go all Incredible Hulk, tear off his shirt and pound the GOPers into dust were always completely unrealistic. Important points from the report are going into the Congressional record and are being made public. Buck even let Mueller state that he'd indict Trump when he was out of office.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
18. No one is asking for the Incredible Hulk
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jul 2019

Just want to hear something we haven't already seen in the report.

The entire report is in the Congressional Record already. Spoon-feeding small parts of it in a 2nd time adds nothing to the narrative.

He's not a good witness IMO.

I think it's better to have no testimony from him rather than testimony that makes him look bad.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
22. He said he wouldn't go beyond the report. He made that clear several times.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:47 AM
Jul 2019

So why are you expecting him to do that which he emphatically said he would not do, and why are you pissed off at him for doing exactly what he said he would do? If you don't think the hearing was a good idea, why are you blaming Mueller and not the Democrats in Congress? I don't think his testimony makes him look bad; the GOPers' questions make them look hostile and stupid.

live love laugh

(13,142 posts)
25. He did say that and I think the hearing's still managed to
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jul 2019

to provide substance and it’s another way to digest or hear the issue for time challenged or otherwise challenged people.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. When did we enter the age of the witness gets to pick and choose what they answer?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jul 2019

The next time I am called as a witness in an official proceeding, I think I will give this "I'm not going to get into that" approach when questioned.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
28. This, apparently, was the deal Mueller struck with the committees.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jul 2019

They accepted his appearance with that understanding.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
5. The report that apparently 3-10% of the population has bothered to read?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:13 AM
Jul 2019

THAT report? How much LESS weight can it have?

The problem with this country is that the general population is borderline retarded with an attention span that make tse-tse flies seem like ponderous beings.

The only people still watching Mueller are ones who already read the damn report...you could stop the whole thing right now, do a 30 second summary for the evening shows to talk about for 30 minutes and call it a day.

America was a grand experiment in self-rule. Citizens United killed the experiment and we now live in a hybrid plutocratic fascist state with lunatics in charge and a broken system that won't ever be fixed without starting over.

We're taking a metaphorical standing 8 count...and the fight ref is looking very skeptical about allowing the beating to proceed...

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
12. Lol I am not emotional about it, just disgusted.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:32 AM
Jul 2019

In fact it's objectivity that leads to being disgusted.

Mueller is adding nothing. Saying true, correct to quotes from his report is not additive.

We need to hear him speak...get some context.

He is refusing to even read his own words...just a dodge so he doesn't appear in someone's political add.

His appearance here is costing us...not helping.

True Blue American

(17,992 posts)
14. I am impressed with Democrats
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:36 AM
Jul 2019

Laying out facts, giving Mueller credit for his long years of service.

Not sure what you guys are watching.

Response to GitRDun (Original post)

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
10. so what do you expect them to do
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jul 2019

answer the question. No.
Answer the question. No.

I mean not much they can do with that.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
11. Are you actually watching or listening to the hearing?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:30 AM
Jul 2019

I can't imagine how anyone who is actually watching or listening to it could advance any "both sides" crap.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
16. I am not advancing both sides crap
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:38 AM
Jul 2019

The fact is NO ONE is holding his feet to the fire to drag some context out of him.

NO ONE is challenging is ability to get away with "I'm not going to get into that"

Both sides crap occurs when you SAY both sides are doing it when clearly one IS NOT.

In this case, clearly NO ONE is challenging Mueller.

jalan48

(13,891 posts)
17. We're dealing with a Fascist President while making apologies for the one person who
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jul 2019

could do something today. Pretty sad.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. Arguing that "No one" is doing it IS arguing "Both sides"
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jul 2019

And it's not the point of this hearing to "drag context out of him." He's providing the information and confirmation they need in order to put the report, the investigation and Trump's criminality into context.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
24. I'll just agree to disagree on the both sides issue
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 11:58 AM
Jul 2019

While the Republicans conduct was generally crappy as usual, they in fact are letting Mueller dodge and weave...

If you think providing information we already have or confirming information we already have is helpful god speed...I just don't find that helpful in the least.

TwilightZone

(25,492 posts)
30. "Congressman on both sides "
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jul 2019

That's the first phrase in your post. You are *literally* advocating both sides nonsense.

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
31. Reading is a skill
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:58 PM
Jul 2019

Congressman on both sides are letting him dodge and weave.

That's a fact. Not crap.

The both sides crap occurs when you say both sides are doing something when one is actually not doing it.

It's not both sides crap to say all Congressman dress nicely.

It's not both sides crap to say all Congressman get a pension.

These things are true.

It is equally true they all put up with Mueller's dodging and weaving.

cureautismnow

(1,677 posts)
29. He is useless for the most part
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:23 PM
Jul 2019

Little help. Virtually nothing beyond the report and very little explanation of what is actually in the report. 100+ contacts between Russians and Trump people and "no conspiracy." How is that even possible? Explain please.

His job was to make a decision and he failed. They might as well have brought in Chauncey Gardiner to testify.

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