I am watching MSNBC and they are as brain dead as the Trump voters are.

[shockey80]

They are all talking about Mueller and how he looked. I don't care how many questions Mueller did not answer, Talk about the questions he did answer, talk about the facts that you just witnessed. Trump obstructed justice and he tampered with witnesses. Over the past 3 years the news media has enabled Trump and it continues today. They are like a cat chasing its own tail.

I do not understand why the news media cannot not say, there is overwhelming evidence Trump has committed high crimes and there must be impeachment hearings so the American people can learn the truth. It is like I am living with the walking dead.

Obstruction and witness tampering are serious crimes and the news media wants to talk about how Mueller acted. Fucking stupid.

[rzemanfl]

1. +1. K&R. n/t

[Peregrine Took]

2. Switched to CNN - Jeffrey Toobin and Preet Bahara were good!

Just can't stand all those never trumper's on msnbc.

[FakeNoose]

17. I know - why should we listen to Cons spinning?

They're still conservatives, and probably still Repukes, even though they hate Chump.
We want to hear from the real leaders who are trying to save this country!

Why isn't Hillary Clinton or Eric Holder a guest on the show today?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

40. You'd think

that the NT's would WANT to see Trump gotten rid of. But then again, he's basically doing what they would be wanting any other Republican to do, so I guess they're still happy to help enable him. It's really not that they don't like what Trump is doing, they just don't like him personally and think him too loud and boorish. But then again, when have most of them ever really cared about that? They're fine with senile, ignorant, or incurious people running the show.

[Iliyah]

3. Corporate media is trying to avoid telling the truth . . .

too late.

[Wellstone ruled]

15. I thought I was the only one

who picked up on that from the get go. Thanks,Comcast Media appears to have gone full on GOP on July first.

[onecaliberal]

4. We couldn't let all the stupid remain in dumbfuckistan.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. It's all about TV. People are obsessed about TV presentation and appearance

and also seem to have the attention span of gerbils. Mueller isn't a TV guy, but too many people expected him to testify as if he was a character in an episode of Law and Order. The media are like fish in water, they're swimming in their own media atmosphere and can't imagine a reality that isn't driven by TV.

[StarfishSaver]

21. Not just the media

Just read the threads here

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. Absolutely.

Expectations were completely unrealistic. The Democratic committee members were trying to get certain facts from the report out in public, and they succeeded by Mueller's references to the report without further comment.

[padah513]

6. Yeah I cut them off

I can't take McCaskill anymore. She is so negative.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. What's her problem? She was horrible.

I didn't get Jeremy Bash, either. Chuck Rosenberg was the only one with a shred of insight.

[jayfish]

13. Yes! A Fantastic Idea.

Then you can scratch a hole in your head tonight trying to figure out what went wrong.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

41. As much as I was sad to see her lose her Democratic-held seat last year

I really can't say that I am sorry that we lost her.

[jayfish]

7. The point of this was to put Mueller In Front of The People.

Of course "how he looked" as well as how he spoke and how he demonstrated a firm grasp of the material was important. he looked bad. He sounded bad and he didn't sound like he knew what the hell he was talking about. It looked and sounded like someone called him at 8am this morning and asked him to stop by the House to "clear a few things up". This isn't on the media!

[Iliyah]

11. Oh please . . .

Mueller did exactly what he said he would do. He told the truth about his report.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. He was careful and dignified. He did exactly what he said he was going to do.

He did not look or sound "bad," he just didn't look or sound like the crusading hero some people unrealistically expected and wanted him to be.

[jayfish]

16. Unfortunately,...

he looked like a doddering old man who didn't have a grasp on the subject matter.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. I didn't get that impression at all.

I did get the impression of a guy who was being unrealistically expected to remember every word of a 400+ page document, which he probably didn't actually even write himself.

[jayfish]

20. I Don't Expect Him to Remember Every Page.

I do expect him not to take the entire 5 minutes of questions trying to find the relevant section in said report after being given the volume and page.

[uponit7771]

23. For the OoJ paper case Mueller's Looks aren't needed

[jayfish]

25. So Why Go Through This Charade?

It's all already on paper.

[uponit7771]

26. For people who can't read 500 pages of lawyer speak

[jayfish]

32. This Has Gone Circular. -NT-

[uponit7771]

43. No it hasn't, ground your expectations better

[BeyondGeography]

27. You're right

Unpleasant truths are unpleasant. How many people remember what Oliver North said more than what he looked like when he was saying it?

[m-lekktor]

33. yep. he is stumbling and stuttering. It is hard to watch.

The democrats fawning over him is cringeworthy as well. I will never forget he pushed the weapons of mass destruction LIE under Bush.

[Maven]

35. Sadly, you are right. nt

[jayfish]

37. I Don't Want To Be.

It's infuriating that Democrats allowed this to happen and that most here applaud it.

[padah513]

39. You know what the headline at Reuters News says?

Not Meuller looks like an addled old man, it says the Meuller says he did not exonerate Trump. I guess it depends on how you look at it. CNN says Meuller condemns Trump's WikiLeaks praise.

[MFGsunny]

42. This! n/t

[Mike Nelson]

9. I agree...

… he agreed with and emphasized the crimes in the report. His reason for not charging Crooked Donald was clear. As much as he could, Mueller said what amounted to "Lock Him Up." What were the MSNBC hosts watching?

[emmaverybo]

10. Shallow. They are just spinning what seems a newsworthy narrative.NT

[mcar]

14. CNN was way better

[a kennedy]

18. I really was encouraged by what Nicole Wallace said.......

she has a great perspective on the staff who were supposed to prep Mueller for these hearings. Have always been impressed with her since she’s been MSNBC.

[pecosbob]

22. Ignore their personalities and focus on their message

nothing to see here...move along...move along...look at the pretty pony! Most of us here are on the same team guys. MSNBC ain't on that team.

[ooky]

28. I wouldn't call them brain dead. I would call them propagandists. Everytime i watch a Chuck Todd

leading a "panel" of "pundits", telling people how they should think and interpret things, I am reminded that MSNBC, like Fox News, is owned and operated by Fascists. Fox, being presented as more slanted in its "opinion", I believe, is intended to fool people into thinking MSNBC and CNN are presenting a "liberal" point of view, relatively speaking.

[NoMoreRepugs]

29. Listening, doing ones own research and arriving at informed opinions and decisions is what

the current state of the media is at - one can no longer listen or read and not get a bit of bias or opinion - the days of FACTS and nothing but being given to the public are long gone.

[riversedge]

30. Brian Williams was a great disappointment today. Period!

[Joe941]

31. It was a sham. They need to start telling the truth.

[roody]

34. They know who pays their salaries.

[kentuck]

36. They are in the center of the White House spin cycle.

They are the victims of media manipulation, but they don't realize it. Or they seem to not realize it?

[Caliman73]

38. Remember when news was only a few hours a day?

People seemed to be as informed, if not more informed than they are today. The business model at that time seemed to be to get as much information in a compelling and thorough way as possible within the time limitations.

Remember how cable news came to be? CNN blasted into the consciousness with its exclusive coverage of the Gulf War I. Then after that, there were just constant scenes of car chases, or anywhere there were a bunch of police gathered (possibly to raid a crack house) they were there "I'm not sure what's going on (literally) but stay tuned and what we find out, we'll let you know". That is the cable news model. They have 24 hours a day of coverage to sell so their model is not to give you all of the information but to keep you tuned into the network. They provide a bunch of pretty stupid analysis from panels which often just devolve into details and no substance, conflict but no resolution.

I am decidedly against the idea of a 24 hours news cycle. I don't think that it has provided any real information for anyone. There are definitely commentators that I like on MSNBC like Rachel and Lawerence, but the "news" just seems to be about hooking people into the discussion rather than providing actual information.