START IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY DURING 2020 ELECTION YEAR NOT NOW !!

[uponit7771]

Starting impeachment inquiry now and its completed 6 to 4 months before Nov elections next year.

Start impeachment inquiry Jan 2020 and its constantly bashing Red Don and his campaign in 2020 just like they did with Clinton investigations.

Not impeaching Red Don is ***NOT*** an option!!

Impeachment at the wrong time means making the whole process less effective than it could be if the impeachment vote was a month before the Nov 2020 presidential election.

Inflict the maximum damage to Benedict Donald DURING the 2020 election year.

START IN 2020 !! (this is from my lay knowledge of the process)

- Start Impeachment inquiries around Jan 2020 and string them out till end of summer 2020
- Have impeachment trial regarding vote in house around fall of 2020 and string them out till September
- Having impeachment VOTE around Fall 2020 if Senate is going to vote against conviction and removal
- If Moscow Mitch isn't going to even vote on conviction or removal then DO NOT confirm to move to senate
- If Moscow Mitch is going to vote on conviction removal then confirm to move to senate over a weeks time.

Bottom line, KEEP BENEDICT DONALD'S CROOKEDNESS FRONT AND CENTER !!

This very similar to what reThugiKKKlans did to Clinton in 2016

What say you?

tia

[brooklynite]

1. How does Impeachment in the Fall of 2020 help?

[uponit7771]

2. Inquiries or vote? tia

[brooklynite]

6. Either

[uponit7771]

14. Focus on Trumps crookedness making it an actionable election issue like they did with Clinton

[brooklynite]

17. The Democrats picked up seats in the 1998 election

I've spoken to dozens of candidates (House and Senate) in the 2018 election and leading up to 2020. They tell me voters DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS Trump / Mueller / Russia / Impeachment. They don't bring it up at town halls or campaign events. They want elected officials to deal with health care, jobs and education costs. first, and secondary issues like the environment and immigration. Those are the issues that we won on in 2018; and they'll be the basis for winning in 2020.

[uponit7771]

3. Updated OP

[malaise]

20. From the OP - Start impeachment inquiry Jan 2020 n/t

[spanone]

4. TOO LATE.

[uponit7771]

11. Nothing indicates that historically or currently

[FBaggins]

5. On this one I think we agree

Assuming we can make progress in the courts to shut down the worst privilege abuses and actually get some public testimony...

It isn’t going to happen now and five weeks of vacation is unlikely to improve things... so the key is to make progressive through the Fall in the hopes that polling will improve and increase support for an inquiry.

[marble falls]

7. I agree. We do not want Mike Pence to have time to be 'normalized' ...

we want the basket of deplorables fighting in as many factions as possible. We want Mitch torn between his own possible loss at the polls and cutting Trump loose.

[jpljr77]

8. Point blank: If Trump is impeached, he will win a second term. 100% guarantee.

He will never be convicted by the Senate, so he will "win." People saying that they want the "taint" of impeachment on him are forgetting that he has no shame and the normal rules of civility do not apply to him.

A lot of us have to face a very hard to face reality: Trump will not be removed from office. He will either lose in 2020 or win a second term and term limit out. He might die of natural causes. Those are the only ways his presidency ends.

Once you accept that, you can focus all of your emotional energy into supporting our candidates that will beat him.

[FBaggins]

9. I don't think you're seeing the strategy behind uponit's theory

With a vote being held a mere month before the November election, Republicans wouldn't have time to hold a real impeachment trial and then fail to convict and give him the "win". Keep in mind that the Senate would be in recess to campaign for their own races.


They would either have to hold a pro-forma trial and vote without actually holding a trial (which should hurt them)... or the trial would have to take place after the election. Which means that Trump would be running as an impeached president who had not yet received a verdict.

It's incredibly risky. The entire election would be about the impeachment. But it's an intriguing strategy that could pay off.

[jpljr77]

10. Oh, I get it. I just think it's dumb.

And I'm not trying to be nasty, it's just....at some point, we have to focus on actually winning and advancing our ideals WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT THAT DUMB FUCK IN THE WHITE HOUSE. He's temporary, he got 46.1% of the vote, he's weak and ineffective. Why is EVERYTHING about him?

Remember 46.1% every time you think America is slipping into a dark place. If you need more help, remember 48.2%, 51.1%, and 52.9%. Those are the shares of the U.S. electorate that voted for a woman or a black man in the last three elections. Trump and his people are a minority and their only power is fear. Democrats have to stop giving into the fear.

Look him in the fucking face and beat him.

[uponit7771]

13. Impeachment has never been a positive of the impeached for the control of government ***NEVER***

[uponit7771]

15. +1, all of this would keep Red Don's crookedness on the front pages throughout the election ...

... and give more never Trumpers a reason to vote against him or not vote at all.

[uponit7771]

12. Impeachment has never been a positive of the impeached for the control of government ***NEVER***

[dalton99a]

16. +1

[Amishman]

19. Yup, polls show insufficient public support; polling is under 40% and dropping

WaPo has been steadily polling on this and the latest poll has support down to 37%, and opposition up to 59% Those numbers go to 33% / 63% when looking at registered voters.

The numbers don't lie and DU is not a good representation of the overall electorate. unless we get some new revelation, impeachment will do far more harm than good. Pelosi knows what she is doing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2019/07/09/National-Politics/Polling/question_21413.xml

[Bradical79]

24. Possibly. I tend to lean towards this nation being fucked.

-Not impeaching sends the message that total disregarding for rule of law is perfectly fine if you're the President, and makes all of the investigating look like a complete waste of time. It kills any credibility when it comes to Democrats attacking Republican corruption.

-Impeaching is risky because most Americans just don't care enough about, or actively cheer on, blatant criminal activity in politics and cruelty. The idea that impeachment would hurt the Democrats is a pretty big condemnation of the American people and Democracy.

It also shows a huge problem with the Democratic, Liberal, and Progressive abilty to influence the public (which R's have been very successful at). Our messaging has been terrible from the top down.

-If Trump wins, we are completely fucked, and humanity is likely doomed.

-If we win but have to compromise on climate change plans to get that victory, and current proposals from the candidates already may not go far enough, then humanity is doomed.

-Also, the Republicans seem to be gearing up to outright steal the election regardless considering how they have been killing any effort to safegaurd our voting systems.

Unfortunately, we have an extremely narrow path to true success.

[NewJeffCT]

18. What will change under impeachment?

Will Don McGahn suddenly decide to show up?
Will Annie Donaldson decide to risk being sued for ignoring Donny's claim of executive privilege?
Will Hope Hicks decide to testify completely and honestly and in public?
Will Corey Lewandowski or Carter Page decide to show up and not be hostile witnesses?
Will Don Jr and Jared Kushner show up to testify on national TV?

They're following the Iran/Contra playbook - stonewall and take the 5th when they must.

[malaise]

21. I'd start the Inquiry as soon as Congress returns in September n/t

[RussBLib]

22. Frankly, I see no urgency now

There is plenty of time to have an impeachment inquiry. Anytime after the August recess works, even up to 2020. Many subpeonas are tied up in court and they need to be resolved before moving forward with an inquiry. Too late for me would be summer of 2020.

[Bradical79]

25. True.

I'm less concerned about the timing now, as long as it starts before 2020.

[UniteFightBack]

23. I've been saying this all along.....it's all about the TIMING!!! nt

[Bradical79]

26. Also about gaining new evidence

Without new information to work with, waiting too close to elections would just reinforce the idea that it's all about Democrats playing a political game.