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Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:12 PM Jul 2019

As expected, Mueller was of no help. So what's next?

Mueller told us so when he spoke out a few months ago and asked not to be called in front of congress. Realistic people "got it." (Actually, their was only one unquestionable/unsurprising fact that was confirmed yesterday. Louis Gohmert is one of the stupidest people to have ever existed on this planet.)

But here's the answer to "what's next?" The 2020 election. The future of the country, and perhaps the world, is riding on it.

Trump can't win. Period. But he and his Republican and Russian allies can steal it for him.

My guess is that the Democratic turnout will be massive. Will it be big enough to overcome "the theft?" It was big enough in 2008 and 2012. But none of us know how this will turn out. Afer all, the Republicans have had a decade to improve their "art of the theft." All we can do is vote in massive numbers, wait, and hope.

But it really comes down to this. Republicans steal the presidency and will do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it, and to whomever they want to do it to.

Or, the majority of us don't accept the theft. Civil War II begins? Who knows.

But one thing is for sure. Another four years of Trump and unrestrained Republican rule will spell the end of American democracy. How bad will it get? Figure it out. When concentration camps already exist, white supremacy and fascism has dropped it's mask, and unabashed racism is running rampant, where do you think America is heading? And what do you think it will look like after an additional four years of Trumpism?

I'm a devout agnostic. But what the hell could it hurt to utter some kind of "prayer" to whatever universal intelligence may exist? "Please, please, please don't let this happen."

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As expected, Mueller was of no help. So what's next? (Original Post) Cyrano Jul 2019 OP
Depends on your expectations I think. Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #1
The country will absolutely not survive another Trump term. CrispyQ Jul 2019 #2
That's about right. kairos12 Jul 2019 #6
So what's next? Half of America willingly and carelessly marches on toward fascism Autumn Jul 2019 #3
What are YOU doing about it? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #4
Posting on a message board the same as YOU are? nt Autumn Jul 2019 #7
What else are you doing besides posting on message boards?? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #15
What are you doing besides posting on message boards?? Autumn Jul 2019 #18
Among other things, StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #22
Good for you. I'm retired and enjoying it. nt Autumn Jul 2019 #23
Are you a Rod Stewart fan? Retirement is a good time to go back and listen to the classics ChubbyStar Jul 2019 #24
I adore him and that song was one of the best. Autumn Jul 2019 #25
That's great StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #26
It's up to us, as it always has been. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #5
Yes it is. The years have been leading up to this point and until the people of this Autumn Jul 2019 #9
I guess surrender is one possible answer. Cyrano Jul 2019 #10
Who knows, maybe the other half will suddenly have their eyes opened. Or the media might Autumn Jul 2019 #12
Could be FiveGoodMen Jul 2019 #31
Well there is this old line about monkeys might fly out.... I'll leave it there. Autumn Jul 2019 #33
Well what are YOU doing about the monkeys? zackymilly Jul 2019 #35
I'm not doing nothing about those monkeys. What are YOU doing about those monkeys? Autumn Jul 2019 #36
I'm retired and enjoying it. nt zackymilly Jul 2019 #37
That's great Autumn Jul 2019 #40
Were we looking at lsewpershad Jul 2019 #8
Whatever you think it was you saw, Cyrano Jul 2019 #13
So you're amplifying the GOP and MSM talking points about underthematrix Jul 2019 #11
Yes, Mueller did all of those things Cyrano Jul 2019 #14
You are correct, and the GOP and the MSM are one and the same. ooky Jul 2019 #16
It opened quite a few eyes from my end, including Republicans. Iliyah Jul 2019 #30
impeachment should be next Joe941 Jul 2019 #17
Should, would, could. It ain't gonna happen. Cyrano Jul 2019 #19
It could still happen... I'm hoping it will. Joe941 Jul 2019 #20
Mueller was of no help because Dirty Socialist Jul 2019 #21
The spin works because people buy it and repeat it. StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #27
Sure is. elleng Jul 2019 #29
+1000 emmaverybo Jul 2019 #34
KEEP YOUR NEGATIVE RESPONSES TO YOURSELF. elleng Jul 2019 #28
I miss unrec...nt SidDithers Jul 2019 #32
lol, love that pic Celerity Jul 2019 #39
What's next ....november 2020 Fullduplexxx Jul 2019 #38

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. Depends on your expectations I think.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jul 2019

It changes nothing with the left and right base. It might have changed the minds of voters on the fence or it might get some people out to vote against Trump.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
2. The country will absolutely not survive another Trump term.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jul 2019

The GOP is playing for keeps. The dems are playing it safe. Same as it ever was.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
6. That's about right.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jul 2019

Dems march out and fight according to fair rules and the Rethugs come out and groin punch you before the bout has started.

We will never learn.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
3. So what's next? Half of America willingly and carelessly marches on toward fascism
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jul 2019

and drags the rest of the country along. There is no one riding to the rescue, not the elected leaders, the media or any universal intelligence. IMO

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. Among other things,
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jul 2019

I teach civil rights law, advocacy and history, run a non-profit I founded to educate people about civil rights and the law, and how to recognize and leverage their political power, and provide strategic advice to the local, state and national party and campaigns. And, in my spare time, I engage online in order to share my experience and expertise to help people better understand the legal and political process.

So, I'll ask again. What are YOU doing to try to stop the march toward fascism you expressed alarm about?

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
24. Are you a Rod Stewart fan? Retirement is a good time to go back and listen to the classics
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:04 PM
Jul 2019

I was never a big fan but my teenage daughter is a hell of a guitar player, and she has been playing everything of his lately. Very catchy, she kicks ass on Maggie May.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. That's great
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:32 PM
Jul 2019

Do you have the time or inclination to get politically involved in your community? Even a few hours a week working to educate your neighbors, helping the local party with voter registration and engagement (or even just office stuff) or volunteering with a civic engagement or resistance organization would make a huge difference - and probably make you feel better about where we can go as a country.

Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
5. It's up to us, as it always has been.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:30 PM
Jul 2019

You’re correct in saying no one will come to our rescue. It’s up to the citizens of this country and the verdict is still out if we’re up to the task.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
9. Yes it is. The years have been leading up to this point and until the people of this
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jul 2019

country step up nothing will happen. Like I said half don't care and out of the other half, a good chunk are just busy struggling to get by.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
10. I guess surrender is one possible answer.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jul 2019

After all, it will create jobs.

Working as camp guards will at least get us fed.

Rounding up the "undesirables" will create countless jobs.

Thousands of people will be assigned to make the trains run on time.

And who knows? There may become millions of military openings to help us fight off whatever is left of the civilized world.

Most people of conscience will have limited choices. Escape to who knows where. Stay and fight the horror to whatever degree possible. Commit suicide.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
12. Who knows, maybe the other half will suddenly have their eyes opened. Or the media might
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jul 2019

decide to do their job and inform the other half. Or the Republicans might decide to protect our election from outside interference.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
13. Whatever you think it was you saw,
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jul 2019

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American People.": (H.L. Mencken; early 20th Century journalist)

I know that many people believe that Mueller's testimony was sufficient. I must disagree. His testimony changed nothing.

If anything, the tons of shit Republicans hurled probably had more impact on Trump's base than we can possibly imagine.

As far as sane people are concerned, who did Mueller convince who really didn't need any more convincing?

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
11. So you're amplifying the GOP and MSM talking points about
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:40 PM
Jul 2019

the Mueller's testimony.

I found his testimony to be very revealing. First, he called #TraitorTrump a liar, a criminal and a traitor. Second, he revealed the FBI and other counterintelligence investigations are continuing and based on the context of the question, MAY involve HOW the Russian attack on 2016 US federal and state elections impacted the OUTCOME of those elections. Third, he revealed, the Russians are attacking our elections as he was sitting there testifying. This raises questions about the outcome of the 2018 Georgia and Florida governor's races, the outcome of the Texas senate race, and other senate and congressional races in the Midwest. Finally, Mueller stated under oath that the DOJ did not interfere with the Special Counsel's office. yet we also learned that it is Deputy Special counsel Zebley who handled the day to day operations of the office. it raised in my mind the possibility that Mueller would not know if DOJ interfered with his office.

I'm going to rewatch again so I can tweet about it.


Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
14. Yes, Mueller did all of those things
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:51 PM
Jul 2019

But a weak presentation will overwhelm facts every time.

This isn't about "truth." It's about "theater."

Mueller sucks at theater. Republicans are geniuses at peddling raw bullshit to the masses.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
16. You are correct, and the GOP and the MSM are one and the same.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:07 PM
Jul 2019

Their objective is to present a false narrative and make everybody think that yesterdays hearings were a nothing burger, and then get lots of democrats blaming our democratic leaders, and they are succeeding. The very best thing IMHO that democrats could do right now is stop listening to MSM right wing talking points and start pushing back on it at every opportunity. And, working like hell at getting out the truth and getting out the vote.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
30. It opened quite a few eyes from my end, including Republicans.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jul 2019

A whole lot of Republicans love democracy as well. Freedom fries - LOL

No seriously.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
19. Should, would, could. It ain't gonna happen.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:17 PM
Jul 2019

The survival of a democratic country, and a sane world, is all riding on the 2020 election.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
21. Mueller was of no help because
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jul 2019

The M$M spun it that way. Now we know who isn’t on the side of the rule of law.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
27. The spin works because people buy it and repeat it.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jul 2019

I expect low information viewers to swallow and regurgitate this stuff, but it's disappointing to see Democrats doing it.

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