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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOh, that Russia rigged the election thing? It's EVEN WORSE than you thought
They. RIGGED. the election. Yes...I said it...RIGGED. They switched votes, or didn't tabulate certain voters. Some of us have said this from jump. Truth will out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/us/politics/russian-hack-of-elections-system-was-far-reaching-report-finds.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I'm very curious as to what is behind the redactions. I bet everything is even worse than I thought.
malaise
(269,049 posts)Important
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)say votes were changed..see my comment on this thread #8..I don't like hurting peoples feelings but this OP is NOT correct....
malaise
(269,049 posts)I think the OP author should edit it but remember M$Greedia is playing video showing the Con lying about Mueller's findings over and over.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Best to have good and accurate info!
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)in the OP..I have asked, nicely the author correct it!..We'll see..tks...
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:31 AM - Edit history (1)
... was beyond bad enough.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)evidence..which is fact - then why would someone yell fire in the theater...my only point - we don't know for sure..I read the report..yes redacted..yes, some states didn't really seem to care - which ones, I don't know..they are only a # - except for Illinois..in the report..if you read through this thread you will see more...have a great evening..
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)at some point in time, demanding a smoking gun IN SPITE OF ALL THE FUCKING EVIDENCE THAT FUCKING SHOWS THEY DID THIS is helping them to do it again.
triron
(22,006 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)I gave you the link to the report...don't you think if votes were changed there would be an all out bulletin....
triron
(22,006 posts)You realize the societal earthquake this would cause? It would throw our entire election system into chaos.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Russia RIGGED the election. Each time I say it, folks come in to point out that "no votes were switched, so don't say that" <<<------ but they were, so I will keep saying that.
And over these few years, more and more drips out...."it's worse than you thought" one month..."it's even worse than you thought from when you were informed that it's worse than you think" a few later.
The cuss words...yep...I come from a long line o sailors. We cuss. I *cuss*. There is no need to engage me at all if you fucking don't like it. I will NEVER kowtow to that passive/aggressive bullshit. Know this.
Russia BRAGS on their state TV about how MF45 is "theirs" and that they put him there...he hands them classified information right the fuck in front of everyone's face...they hacked the voter files...the paid for social media disinformation campaigns in rubles for fuck's sake...they had operatives here doing ALL types of shit, but I am supposed to believe that they didn't hack the votes themselves, because you say so.
It's like they murdered Lady Liberty, and you're demanding a smoking gun when the traitors are in charge of the evidence room. Fuck that.
We see Lady Liberty lying murdered on the floor...we see all the evidence surrounding what happened, and some of you (all) think the ones screaming "It's them" need to produce their weapons for your approval. *Nope*
ALL the other evidence shows that they did. I will no longer be silent on the matter, and I don't give a rat's ass who that offends. They did it.
triron
(22,006 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)I think not identifying what happened...being all "shruggy shoulder" "you just don't *know& they did that, is just fucking insane, given all that has come out AND CONSIDERING THE FUCKING FACT THAT THEY NEVER EXAMINED THESE FUCKING MACHINES AT ALL. Fuck that. Acting like they didn't switch votes is *PRETENDING*.
Oh noooooooooo, we can't say that they did that...."because *that* would undermine our entire voting system". And that they rigged the fucking votes doesn't?
Oh no...fuck that. Fuck that all day long. I won't be bullied or gaslighted.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)And I've felt that way from the beginning. I am NOT a conspiracy junkie but it makes a lot more sense that votes were switched than that they weren't. The polls were SO off in key states, including exit polls. How can an exit poll show Hillary ahead by 5+ percentage points only to have Trump end up winning? And always by a margin that is just below the threshold that would trigger a recount.
And you're telling me that Russia was able to successfully hack into voting machines but held off of modifying or deleting votes? No way. I think they did and the powers that be feel it's a "national security issue" to keep that a secret. Imagine the panic, anger, etc., if we knew for a fact Russia changed the election results?
From a Business Insider report on "Why were the polls so wrong in 2016":
"Murray's final Pennsylvania poll showed Clinton with a 4-point lead with a 4.9-point margin of error, which still was not big enough to capture the margin 1.2 points by which Trump would win the state.
His theory for what happened at the time: "Non-response among a major core of Trump voters." (my emphasis)
triron
(22,006 posts)He has rarely been wrong before about who would win and with these odds it just seems crazy.
Then an exit poll analysis that was done by a statistician showed that 26 out of 28 states exit polled
skewed toward Trump relative to final vote tabulations. The probability of this is nearly 1 out of a million.
Then nearly every prognosticator had HRC winning. All these things taken together plus what we know the Russians did
makes vote count manipulation all but certain. But some people here just want it to go away so they can
stay in 'the matrix'.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)but since we NEVER EXAMINED THE FUCKING MACHINES there is no smoking gun, so "you can't say that they switched votes". Yes I can, because they did.
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... invalidate elections.
It's proffering an impossible bar via false dichotomy ... changing votes isn't the only way to invalidate elections.
Registration shaving and vote adding are other ways to alter an election numerically and proffering none of it was done seems the least likely of human behavior relative to what the Russians motivations were.
Someone breaking into a bank and not taking any money is overtly stupid, no one is going to believe that all the money is there.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)which wiped it's main server rather than have anyone inspect the security. "The server in question, which served as a statewide staging location for key election-related data, made national headlines in June after a security expert disclosed a gaping security hole that wasnt fixed six months after he reported it to election authorities."
https://apnews.com/877ee1015f1c43f1965f63538b035d3f
Plaintiffs in the lawsuit, mostly Georgia voters, want to scrap the states 15-year-old vote-management system particularly its 27,000 AccuVote touchscreen voting machines, hackable devices that dont use paper ballots or keep hard copy proof of voter intent. The plaintiffs were counting on an independent security review of the Kennesaw server, which held elections staging data for counties, to demonstrate the systems unreliability.
Wiping the server forestalls any forensic investigation at all, said Richard DeMillo, a Georgia Tech computer scientist following the case. People who have nothing to hide dont behave this way.
triron
(22,006 posts)You should remove your post.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)votes were changed??...do you know? is that what has been redacted..I didn't know we have access to redacted info..if you read the whole thread here, you will see that the op delves into conjecture...votes were changed???..that is my only point..if you or I comment here..without fact..then why bother..did I recv remarks from author...sure...I was nicely asking him to correct his op..
triron
(22,006 posts)they were and evidence they have been in previous elections (e.g. Ohio in 2004).
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)of votes changed..easy enough..tks for the info Ohio 2004 I will do some research on that..trust but verify...be well triron..
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)your Ohio search regarding the 2004 election should involve an asshole named Ken Blackwell. He did the rigging in that one.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Un fucking believable.
triron
(22,006 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)from Thursday..I will listen to facts..not conjecture..as my son, Ret. Navy Chief says..trust but verify, carry-on..
triron
(22,006 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)I do love DU, even with all the drama..may we save our Country, countrymen and women, we are gearing up in AZ with Mark Kelly - he has a very good chance to beat McSally....we ALL need to keep the house, flip the senate (this in turn will mute mcturtle, if Kentuck doesn't see the light) and take the WH...
triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)not necessarily true. Also the contrapositive, 'not a' implies 'not b', is equivalent to a implies b.
In our 2016 election 'a' would be the mountain of circumstantial evidence that
Trump could not have won (legitimately). If the circumstantial evidence (or 'a') is true then it must be true that 'b' follows, thus Trump did not legitimately win. If you assume that b is false then logically 'not b' implies 'not a' thus
you conclude (erroneously in my view) that the mountain of circumstantial evidence is false.
I apologize for being pedantic.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)cmeneer
(253 posts)I've said this from the beginning. If they were so willing to participate in the collusion and criminal activity, why would they not throw the vote. Hard to admit that our elections have become a farce, but...our elections have become a farce.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)it will be surprising how many people will demand you examine voting machines that are locked up in order to prove it to them.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Why would they go to all the time, effort, and expense of interference WITHOUT ensuring the outcome?
That is my question.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)maybe the states should count the paper votes they have, and see if it matches the total? Might be too much to ask of the Secretary of State, in many of the states with big voting issues. They probably burn whatever ballots they have asap.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)because this is treason and their lives depend on it
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)something if Trump's very election became seriously in doubt, or even clearly stolen?
Although at one time the need to preserve and protect our peaceful transition of power may have seemed to dictate the most important course, that was accomplished and thus another priority would replace it if it were determined that Russia had thrown Democratic victories to the Republicans. Perhaps better words would be "were known to the people that...."
WHAT is in that third section of the Mueller report that is not available to us and what do our intelligence services know?
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)switched votes, or didn't tabulate certain votes, has not been identified thru 50 pages..sure, is the report wigging me out, yup..at some point I have to believe someone with regards to any hacking of our elections..so I am reading it myself, before any analysis...
Yes, reading the report there is indication in many states, that Russian hacking was attempted....but vote changed..if it is stated votes were changed..then I will correct my comment..
What I found concerning is states are afraid the Feds want to take over elections...I don't want the Feds to take over elections from states either..but I don't want states to stick their heads in the sand either..when the Feds are only trying to help them..
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)High Schooler hack both a ESS and a Diebold Tabulator and did it in seconds. Not only changing totals,but was able to put the numbers back in place. Did it with his I-phone. There was a Diebold Tech sitting right next to this machine and did not have a clue until we filled the dummy in. Just please leave and don't say anything.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)to IQ45 in each precinct to move him ahead in MI, PA, and WI.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Russia.
anarch
(6,535 posts)Somewhere on the order of 1 out of every 100 HRC votes going to Stein instead, at the tabulation stage, and just in a few key districts...that would have done it, and would be damn near impossible to detect.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)it was most effective and easiest to cover their tracks.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)"switch" "tabulate" or "rig" came up with zero keyword hits in the article.
"Hyperbole", on the other hand, reeks from the OP.
Let's be smart about this, and NOT try to destroy democratic institutions with panicky OP's like this (or with attacks on the Free Press in this country).
Take a chill pill, Phil (or Mike, in this case )
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)I said it before, and I will continue to say it...Russia RIGGED the election.
Also, the CONSERVATIVE PRESS leans very decidedly to the right. Here is but one example: https://www.salon.com/2018/09/23/cnn-focus-group-of-conservative-women-turns-out-to-be-comprised-of-gop-operatives/
And, no, I am not going all over the web to prove to you that the "liberal media" has been the CONSERVATIVE PRESS all along.
Saying that they rigged the election is trying to "destroy democratic institutions with panicky OP's like this"? Oh...
Hyperbole indeed.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Seems like it is working pretty well.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)stopdiggin
(11,316 posts)"They switched votes, or didn't tabulate certain voters." But the article DOESN'T say that. "Fight back against propaganda." Indeed!
Carry on.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)no
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)femmedem
(8,203 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)... w/ this.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Rene
(1,183 posts)Voting system vendors and Secretary of State and town clerks. Found out when I witnessed suspicious voting totals that I'd never be able to witness recounts or view any logs or ballots etc. All materials kept from viewing.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)NO....this report does not say they switched votes..or didn't tabulate certain votes....
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)kick for your kick!
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)"They switched votes, or didn't tabulate certain voters."
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)You comment...They switched votes, or didn't tabulate certain voters - UMMM NO!!!!!
It is bad enough, without yelling fire in the theater,,,,
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)My comment is my OWN and I also said "truth will out". I read that report though. Show me where it says that they examined the voting equipment. Oh that's right, they didn't.
Holy fucking shit.
stopdiggin
(11,316 posts)"They switched votes, or didn't tabulate certain voters." Oh, right. They didn't.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)Putin is smart and spends millions to just leave a calling card?? Don't think so. He is a ruthless psychopath. He would never leave something to chance when he could ensure success. The misinformation/trolls/bots etc... was just to manufacture the appearance of a larger base and a fake validation of the theft of the vote. IMO. What else is being manufactured, besides the thousands of people at his rallies, who usually aren't thousands.
sandensea
(21,638 posts)A lot like his relationship with Ivanka.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Another divide and conquer tactic with red vs blue states.
Rethug legislators won't do shit unless they think Russia or other external actors have shifted left.....
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)usaf-vet
(6,189 posts)... the national move to electronic voting was pushed to make election fraud easier and hidden from the voters.
I have always felt and said that votes we being flipped in the tabulators. And that it would likely be in select regions and it would occur within the margin of error.
The ways that votes have been manipulated are numerous. from denying some voters to vote, by moving voting location, by limiting the number of working machines in a polling place, by suppressing voter through voter ID requirements, by gerrymandering district AND by altering voting matching software in the guise of necessary "patches and upgrades".
Most polling places are manned by senior citizen volunteers. Few if any are computer savvy. Most are computer illiterate. They trust that the system is fair. They never question results.
The poll worker's issue say three hundred ballots. At the end of the day, they check the tabulators (ballot scanners) to see how many ballots were run through the scanner. Three hundred issued. Three hundred scanned. Everything is accurate. They never consider that the votes on each ballot could be inaccurate as long as 300 = 300. YET a software routine (in the patch) could have purposely flipped 10,20,30 votes (within the margin of error) from one candidate to the opponent. 300 ballots would still equal 300 counted ballots.
Then the news media in their desire to be first with the results They report the raw vote totals and often call the winner. This is all before the ballots have been certified. Once the winner has been announced anyone questioning the results are wrong is called a sore loser and then often faces a legal battle to get a recount. A hand recount. An expensive hand recount.
One final part of hiding stolen election. Historically exit polling was always seen as a good indicator of the accuracy of the announced winner. On the night of the BUSH - GORE election The Drudge Report issued a headline in big red bold letters reading DON'T TRUST THE EXIT POLLING.
That was the start of demonizing exit polling. That night at approximately 9:30 to 10:00 EST with the polls in Florida closed and the Drudge headline banner. I turn to my wife and said they are going to steal this election. Little did I guess it was the opening salvo of the GOP stealing our Democracy. Step by step. Weakening safeguards one by one and here we are today. In my mind, a straight line from the 2000 SCOTUS stolen election to the 2016 "Russian assisted" election results. With a stolen SCOTUS seat, to swing the court to a conservative court, in the process. IMHO all part of the GOP plan.
VOTES ARE BEING STOLEN (manipulated) AND ELECTIONS ARE BEING STOLEN
Farmer-Rick
(10,184 posts)The logic of everything done to our voting system since the dancing supremes voted in W for us, clearly points to vote count manipulation.
But we can overwhelm the cheat machines like we did with Obama and when we took back the House. But we shouldn't have to. RepubliCONS win when fewer people vote.
usaf-vet
(6,189 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)You will not change the minds of the deniers though, unfortunately.
They want to stay in the 'matrix'.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)2018. Florida and Georgia are suspicious as well in 2018.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... that is red governed (1% close) and is a heavy VSM it's going to go republican.
2008 wasn't 1% close anywhere neither VSM states neither was 2012 except in Ohio and look at how Rove acted on FAUX news.
2018 was stolen in GA and FL ... Russians hacked FL and the FBI asked the gov of FL not to report it ...
Every state Clinton was up 2% on that was a red lead VSM state the night of the election Clinton lost, they're not even trying any longer.
usaf-vet
(6,189 posts)Similar changes were being implemented in Michigan and Pennsylvania. All leading to the 2016 Presidential elections where Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania handed Trump the Electoral College win.
Russian interference in these states was likely because the states had paved the way within their own borders to control the voting systems via gerrymandering, new voter ID laws, programs to suppress voter turnout and access to the polling place in districts with high numbers of Democratic voters. All based on years of historical voting data.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/?utm_term=.d5fc12ecfe93
The most important states, though, were Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Trump won those states by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too.
IMO this isn't a hit or miss plan this is a strategic long-range plan to gain and maintain political power. The list of things that the GOP leaders have changed and implement is hard for one person to comprehend. McConnell didn't decide at the last minute to steal the SCOTUS seat from President Obama's nominee Merrick Garland and hold up countless numbers of federal judgeships. Why? To stack the courts to limit the ability of dissenters getting a fair hearing. Trump is now stacking those courts to further limit dissent.
We better pay attention and get treatment to fight political cancer that is eating away at our Democracy.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)votes COULD be changed next time.
usaf-vet
(6,189 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)yes indeed
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)It is so obvious what happened.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:03 AM - Edit history (2)
... told to believe.
we're not
The usual "do you have hard proof" condescension comes next as if anything but > 75% empirical evidence is needed ... its not
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)The article isnt about instances where they broke into systems. The vast majority of hack attempts are unsuccessful.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)I currently work in IT for a bank, our servers get intrusion attempts from overseas daily; Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Belarus, and Brazil are the most common offenders. My home network gets probed frequently as well. There are intelligence gathering operations (both government and free-lance) that use automated tools to try to penetrate literally every single system that is connected to the internet.
The other thing with intrusion attempts is that it is far easier to get access and copy data than it is to modify data; especially without anyone noticing. Write permissions are usually more tightly restricted, and change control and data integrity processes should raise red flags quickly if data is tampered with.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... logic is to believe they broke into these systems and did nothing even thought their goals was to affect the US elections in Trumps favor.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)FBaggins
(26,748 posts)And no claim that they were able to change anything.
See Amishman's #87 above your reply. His experience is virtually identical to my own.
It's also worth noting that you example also directly refutes the OP.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... only way to affect a numerical election.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 09:36 AM - Edit history (1)
There are some very specific high-profile names in the left/liberal pundisphere who have screeched up and down for three fucking years at their publications, websites and social media accounts that Kremlingate was just a myth cooked up by so-called "establishment" Dems and sour-grapes Hillary...
These people all need to be purged from liberal dialogue if we are to make any progress. By their works you shall know them.
triron
(22,006 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Agree it could very well happen in 2020, so much more needs to be done.
But its just an unsupported excuse for people not voting or voting for other side because their primary candidate didnt make cut in some misplaced protest, Comey, not effectively responding to disinformation and lies, bashing Democratic candidates for things trump exploited like trade agreements, overconfidence, etc.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... this till we're blue in the face on this board since 16.
Why is "no vote changes" being intimated as the only way to numerically effect the US elections?
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)Specific claims are made for which there has never been any evidence. Someone pointing that out doesnt have to deal with unrelated claims.
But Im interested in your phrasing. What do you mean by numerically effect? A Facebook meme that convinces someone not to vote for Clinton would certainly have a numerical impact... but thats an entirely different genre from the hacking claims of the OP.
Which it should again be noted... are entirely unsupported by the linked article.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)You can say that no evidence exists of arson in a fire if you haven't examined the fucking rubble and ashes...but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. To wit:
They hacked our voter files
They hacked the DNC
They coordinated with the Republic party
Laundered money and operatives through the NRA
and a host of other shit I can't recall off the top of my head...but CHILDREN are proving they can hack those machines, but RUSSIA, who did ALL of THAT other stuff (and more) didn't switch any votes. Oh, and they never looked at any machines.
Ooooooo-kay
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)that does not matter unless we let Ruskies or anyone else mess with votes or anything else?
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)refusing to look at something does NOT mean it isn't there.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)And if it's expensive and slow, so be it.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)The House passed a bill yesterday requiring those things, along with protections against foreign interference. It passed with one republican vote. Moscow Mitch has already he will not bring it up, because "The Trump administration has already taken steps blah, blah, blah..." What steps they have taken is beyond me, other than to make it easier to rig things for themselves.
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)and holy fuck...wow
triron
(22,006 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:13 PM - Edit history (1)
If the committee had found votes were changed and said so, our election system would have been thrown into
utter chaos. So they buried their collective heads in the sand and said otherwise. Also I don't even want to think
about what it would have instigated Trump to do.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)security and that he believes (as do I) that it should not be left up to the states to preserve security of elections. But, I don't see where he said that.
Even if he did, the "If" means they didn't find evidence. Believe me, I believe it COULD have happened, and we should spend billions making sure it doesn't in 2020. We lost in 2016 for several reasons, but not because votes were hacked.
triron
(22,006 posts)It's titled 'Minority views of Senator Wyden' in the back of the report.
You probably have already read that.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)states to protect security. I agree with that.
Truthfully, except for making sure nothing happens in 2020, 2016 is now over. Nothing we can do to change that election results. The future is what matters, and there is a big threat -- both this report and Mueller say the same thing.
triron
(22,006 posts)We didn't find anything because 1) we did not look 2) The Russian hackers were very good at covering their tracks
(thus even looking for problems might very well not detect them).
It is not disputed that the Russians were looking for vulnerabilities in our election system.
Why wouldn't they exploit these? You really believe the GRU put all the efforts into getting Trump elected
without doing everything they could to ensure that?
VOX
(22,976 posts)And it is a serious concern. If a free and fair election is even feasible anymore, this should be Issue Number One.
<snip>Even today, after a two-and-a-half-year investigation, the committee conceded that Russian intentions regarding U.S. election infrastructure remain unclear. Moscows intelligence agencies chiefly the G.R.U., Russias main military intelligence unit may have intended to exploit vulnerabilities in the election infrastructure during the 2016 elections and, for unknown reasons, decided not to execute those options.
But more ominously, the report suggested that it might have been cataloging options for use at a later date a possibility that officials of the National Security Agency, the Department of Homeland Security and the F.B.I. said was their biggest worry. <snip>
triron
(22,006 posts)Russias main military intelligence unit may have intended to exploit vulnerabilities in the election infrastructure during the 2016 elections and, for unknown reasons, decided not to execute those options.
VOX
(22,976 posts)And Republicans make ZERO effort to even discuss this dire issue.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)Go into the voter registration databases and selectively deregister Democrats.
triron
(22,006 posts)That's why it was not obvious they altered the election results.
Putin is probably smiling about this.
triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)yardwork
(61,649 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)Seriously.
yardwork
(61,649 posts)I wish the Democrats in Congress were focused on this. Forget impeachment.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)to otherwise give the state to HRC.
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)...but those have nothing to do with voting machines and tallies.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)I Hacked an Election. So Can the Russians.
By J. Alex Halderman
April 5, 2018
triron
(22,006 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)As many as possible need to be exposed to this discussion.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)ck4829
(35,077 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Christ.
triron
(22,006 posts)Probably highly classified. Just like contact with ET. Our society would be traumatized (or so 'they' think)
I already know the content of your reply but you will anyway. I agree with you on many things
but we are not even on the same planet on this.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)COULD HAPPEN.
Gotta admit "It's too classified for even Democratic Senators on the Intelligence Committee to admit votes were changed" is a unique explanation for no evidence in the article, in the Intel Committee Report, or anywhere else.
Seriously, I do have a problem with summarizing articles with outright fabrications, to try to make a point.
triron
(22,006 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Baltimike
(4,146 posts)take a break. self care is important. And then get back in the fight. REAL patriots know that an information war is afoot, and you are a fucking LEGEND. Never forget this.