LA Times breaking news: Trump must release taxes to be on ballot.

[sinkingfeeling]

No story yet.

[TruckFump]

1. Ah, yes, my home state!

Although the orange asshole will never win it...slamming the door in this fat face feels sooooo good.

Question: Can there be write ins for him?

[wryter2000]

24. It's the primary ballot

So he can’t get votes in the CA Republican primary.

Edit. He has no primary challengers

[Vinca]

2. Here's a link to the story.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-07-30/trump-tax-returns-california-ballot-gavin-newsom-law

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. So it will just be our Dem and Wells? And any oddball

Parties?

This will have a huge impact on the popular vote huh. Maybe most all CA repuke votes? So if worst happens and he wins EC the Dem will definitely have more pop votes huh.

[onenote]

32. This only impacts the primary, not the general election

He'll be on the ballot for the general election.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. How if he can't win primary

[onenote]

40. Under state law, the winner of the nomination automatically has a place on the ballot

Whether or not someone wins, loses or even runs in a state's primary has no impact on whether they are on the ballot once they've won the nomination.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. Thanks for explaining! Kind of a thorn but not a big deal?

[dalton99a]

4. All presidential candidates to submit five years of income tax filings

President Trump will be ineligible for California’s primary ballot next year unless he discloses his tax returns under a state law that immediately took effect Tuesday, an unprecedented mandate that is almost certain to spark a high-profile court fight and might encourage other states to adopt their own unconventional rules for presidential candidates.

The law, signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom on his final day to take action and passed on a strict party-line vote in the Legislature, requires all presidential candidates to submit five years of income tax filings. They must do so by late November in order to secure a spot on California’s presidential primary ballot in March. State elections officials will post the financial documents online, although certain private information must first be redacted.

[onetexan]

20. Woohoo!!!

[Takket]

5. He has no chance there anyway. He'll just leave himself off

[customerserviceguy]

14. This is for the primary ballot only

He will tell his supporters to write him in. It's better than having them mess up our primary.

[highplainsdem]

6. SF Chronicle tweet and story:

Link to tweet

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-to-Trump-Release-your-taxes-or-14259906.php

[Ohiogal]

7. Have any other states signed this into law yet?

[Danascot]

18. Here's what's happening in New York

Cuomo Signs a Bill to Allow Release of Trump’s State Tax Returns

As the battle over President Trump’s federal taxes intensifies in Washington, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York signed a bill on Monday to allow congressional committees to access the president’s state tax returns.

The new law requires state tax officials to release the president’s state returns for any “specified and legitimate legislative purpose” on the request of the chair of one of three congressional committees: the House Ways and Means Committee, the Senate Finance Committee and the Joint Committee on Taxation.

It is effective immediately, though it is unclear whether it will face a legal challenge from the Trump administration; on Monday, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Jay Sekulow, called the new law “more presidential harassment.”

It was also uncertain if the committee leaders would test the new law; some Democrats on Capitol Hill have viewed New York’s effort warily, fearing it could complicate or even damage their quest to secure Mr. Trump’s federal returns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/nyregion/trump-ny-taxes-cuomo.html

[UTUSN]

8. & since the SCotUS has said it can't butt in with voting in the states, ...

[lagomorph777]

23. Oops! Moscow Mitch says that too! They maybe should've thought that one through...

[panader0]

9. tRump got 4,483,810 votes in California in 2016.

This story, if it real, makes my week.
If he releases his taxes, he'll lose many more votes that that.

[FakeNoose]

16. Chump still gets on the general election ballot, this is for the primary only

I doubt he'll get anywhere near 4 million votes from California in 2020. But he will be on the ballot because the state law can't keep him off.

[edhopper]

10. It's for the Primary

not the General election.

And since he will be the nominee, it doesn't matter.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. But if he's not on the ballot in enough states for the primaries

Couldn’t Weld, Kasich, etc “steal” the nomination from Trump? Couldn’t they get enough delegates to deny Trump the nomination?

That’s why this IS a big deal.

[onenote]

25. No its not a big deal.

The Republican primaries are frontloaded with red states, none of which are remotely likely to pass legislation requiring a candidate to make their tax returns public as a condition of getting on the primary ballot. Trump needed 1237 delegates to get the Republican nomination -- he won 1725 and had the nomination wrapped up before the California primary even was held. His nearest competitor in terms of delegates had 484.

There simply aren't enough delegates in states that might pass such legislation to deny him the nomination and certainly no chance any other candidate gets anywhere near a majority. Even in the highly unlikely event that Trump fell short of a majority because he couldn't get delegates from a few states (and assuming further that the republican party in those states doesn't switch from a primary to a caucus or state convention to get around the ballot issue), Trump will come to the convention with far more delegates than the other candidates and after the first ballot, those delegates will simply support Trump.

[Fiendish Thingy]

37. According Wikipedia he won 1441, just 200 delegates over the threshold to win the nomination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries

18 states are considering similar laws to California's, including Washington, New York and Illinois.

If these laws had been in place in 2016, Trump would not have been the nominee, as not being on the ballot in just California (172 delegates) and Washington(44 delegates) (both winner take all delegates states),along with New York (89 delegates to Trump), he would have fallen short of the threshold to clinch the nomination, which would at least have forced a contested convention with no clear nominee, unless voters voted for their second choice, in which case another candidate would have won the nomination.

As Joe would say, this is potentially a BIG fuckin' deal.

[tritsofme]

44. This is not necessarily true. States don't decide how parties choose delegates.

If a major candidate was being held off a primary ballot, delegates could be chosen through caucuses or conventions, the party could even require it those states.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

45. then let the Repukes jump through hoops and shit to keep hiding taxes

[edhopper]

30. How many other State are doing this?

Besides th repukes will just change the rules to make sure he gets the nomination..

It should be not on the General election ballot.

[onenote]

31. None of the red states

And he can all but sew up the nomination with just red states.

[Fiendish Thingy]

36. 18 states are considering similar laws, including NY and Illinois

Probably enough to deny Trump the nomination, or force the GOP to forcibly remove the power from the voters and select their nominee strictly through delegates at the convention. If they choose the latter, it could certainly be spun as another step toward tyranny and away from democratic process, and might suppress GOP turnout in the general.

[Johnny2X2X]

11. This has to happen in a Swing State

This will just muddy the waters IMO, Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million in 2016, that is a big talking point. If CA hadn't been counted he would have lost by 7 or 8 million votes and it would have not been a story because CA doesn't count.

[AlexSFCA]

21. it's still useful and may supress gop vote

for other measures and candidates that are often lumped into primary election.

[onenote]

26. What other measures are lumped into primary elections?

[redstatebluegirl]

12. Will this stand a court challenge?

You know he will roll out the lawyers.

[AncientGeezer]

35. Unlikely....

[Johnny2X2X]

13. Down ticket implications could be huge

No Trump on the ticket and it will crush Republicans down ticket.

[onenote]

29. It's only for the primary. It's a symbolic gesture

that won't have any significant impact on anything.

[renate]

15. I don't think California is under any illusion that this will matter--it's the principle

And maybe it will spread. If legislation like this could be made to apply in time for the general election and not just the primaries, it would only take a few like Pennsylvania or Ohio for this to really matter.

[onenote]

28. Don't bet on PA or Ohio.

The Republicans control the Ohio state senate by a 24-9 margin and the Ohio state house by a 61-38 margin. They aren't passing any legislation that would require Trump to give up his tax returns (and DeWine would veto it if they did).

The margins are closer in Pennsylvania, but the Republicans still control both the state senate and the state house.

[malaise]

19. Yes

Oh Yes!

[lunatica]

22. Waiting for Trump's tweetstorm

[dlk]

27. Trump, Who Like Many Republicans, Loves to Sue, Will No Doubt File a Lawsuit

However, it is highly unlikely he will prevail. I wish more states would pass similar laws.

[former9thward]

41. Everyone likes to sue.

And Trump is very likely to prevail. The Supreme Court ruled against Arkansas in 1828 when they tried to tinker with ballot qualifications for federal office. And courts have been knocking down attempts ever since. If it gets to the SC they will rule 9-0 for Trump.

[dlk]

43. It's Ironic How Much Those In the Party of Tort Reform Love Filing Lawsuits

Recent SCOTUS rulings show they prefer to avoid getting involved in state election matters. Some things have changed since 1828. We will see what happens.

[PoliticAverse]

33. U.S. Term Limits v. Thornton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Term_Limits%2C_Inc._v._Thornton

[MichMan]

34. Should also apply to every single state and local elected office as well

People have a right to know the finances of their county commissioners, state legislators, mayors, prosecutors, and judges too.

[Gothmog]

38. This is great news