Active Shooter at Cielo Vista Mall area in El Paso

[cannabis_flower]

No details. Just heard it now on MSNBC. They said it was at a Walmart that is next to the mall.

[Leghorn21]

1. Link:

EL PASO, Texas (KTSM) —

UPDATE: KTSM can confirm that 18 people were shot inside the Walmart. The extent of their injuries is unknown at this time.

El Paso Police and multiple other law enforcement agencies are responding to a shooting at the Walmart an active shooter situation.

Details are limited at this time. KTSM has a crew in route to the scene.


https://www.ktsm.com/news/breaking-possible-active-shooter-at-walmart-near-cielo-vista-mall/

[malaise]

2. Breaking on M$NBComcast

Active

[tblue37]

3. Amazon.com is going to grow even bigger as people become too afraid to go anywhere

where people congregate. And face-to-face social interaction will become even more supplanted by online interaction, for safety's sake.

Yeah, I know that's an overwrought extrapolation, but sometimes I do imagine us hiding away from all public spaces for fear of our pervasive, violent gun culture.

[Frustratedlady]

7. I'm pretty well doing that now....stay out of crowds, aka, targets.

I cringe every time I see a stadium filled. Not so much for active shooter situations, but for terrorism. If I can watch it on TV, so be it.

[tblue37]

12. I have never been fond of crowds or of events that draw crowds, but if I were, I would

probably hesitate sometimes about participating in potential target situations.

[Blue_true]

75. You are no too far off.

This morning while I was grocery shopping, a frustrated shopper yelled near the entrance, I immediately thought shooter. Normally I am pretty calm, but I was looking all over the place until I saw nothing and calmed down.

[PSPS]

4. 18 people shot

[dalton99a]

5. 18 people shot

Link to tweet

[malaise]

15. Multiple reports of multiple shooters

Damn

[dalton99a]

18. "A very large area"

Link to tweet

[malaise]

20. Open carry won't help here

They must be shooting at one another - let's see how many men with guns get shot.

[Blue_true]

78. That is what having lots of guns in the hands of yahoos does.

If something starts going down, the gunners just want to shoot something, few of them understand how to properly assess targets because they have no training in that.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

6. Ahh, yes. Only in America.

Another day, another shooting.

[dweller]

11. i've lost count

is this one as day this week?
starting last sunday?
😡

✌🏼

[malaise]

39. Third mass shooting this week

Madness

[Blue_true]

82. The second this week, third if last Sunday is included. nt

[Blue_true]

81. My concern?

Is a trend forming of some angry, armed nut shooting up popular grocery stores, Walmarts? Grocery shopping is really going to suck if I am walking past security people in Tactgear carrying long rifles.

[TheBlackAdder]

8. A Texas mall? There must be several hundred "Good Guys with Guns" who can stop him before the PD.

[raccoon]

13. If there isn't a good guy with a gun who can stop him there

Last edited Sat Aug 3, 2019, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)

If there isn’t a good guy with a gun who can stop him there, Then there ain’t a cow in Texas! 🐄

I should have added.

[malaise]

21. Heard one speaking - military and black

cops took his gun - he was trying to save some kids. What a fucking mess

[Blue_true]

83. On the bright side, at least he is alive after being a Black man

with a gun that police came upon. Or maybe he was just lucky enough that the police that came upon his didn't automatically fear a legally armed Black man.

[Initech]

9. God damn it. Fuck the fucking NRA.

[doc03]

10. On January 20, 2017 the orange dumbass

said "This American Carnage Stops Right Here Right Now"

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

14. Oddly enough, none of the local El Paso stations

have gone to live streaming or even, so far as I can tell, actual ongoing coverage of this.

Perhaps that's as it should be. This is a local story. All malls are not dangerous places to go to. Just as all public schools are not dangerous, and for all the coverage given to the genuine terrible events that have occurred, the vast majority of students will never be involved in a school shooting, and I keep on reading things that say that the "active-shooter drills" do more harm than good and simply instill unwarranted terror in children and teachers.

[Generic Other]

16. Reporting multiple shooters now

Yikes.

[Blue_true]

84. Likely a few good guys with guns blasting at anything that moves,

or as Malaise theorized, are shooting it out with eachother and not the killer.

[Oneironaut]

17. As soon as we get a Democrat in the Presidency, it's time to put an end to this madness.

I'm talking about instituting a hefty bullet tax and tax on owning guns. You can keep them, but prepare to pay. Either that, or sell them to a buyback program. We can tax most Americans' guns out of existence. If you want to own a gun that isn't heavily taxed, it has to have a magazine of 4 bullets or less. Breaking these laws would be a Federal offense, and you would be banned from owning guns ever again.

It's way past time to end this.

[nolabear]

19. A-Fucking-Men.

You want to hunt? Check one out. With a tracking device and half a dozen ten dollar bullets.

I am sick and tired of this shit!

[malaise]

22. State Senator on M$NBComcast says several killed

and the crowd is because of the back to school tax free shopping - looks like assault rifles again.

[nolabear]

29. They want gun control? They should get gun control. Total fucking gun control.

I have lost all sympathy. Every damn bit.

[brewens]

35. "Assault rifles"? You'd get the NRA babbling points for posting that elsewhere, maybe even here.

It's not actually an assault rifle if.... And you aren't allowed an opinion on guns if you can't identify an AR-15 hammer spring blindfolded!

[AncientGeezer]

36. Tax a Constitutional right? How does that pass SCOTUS review?

Talk about a regressive tax...the poor would be taxed out of owning a firearm.
Just saying.....SCOTUS would kill this 9-0(should)...a tax on a right in the Bill of Rights.

[Oneironaut]

96. You have a Constitutional right to guns, not assault rifles, cheap bullets, or high capacity

magazines.

"The poor would be taxed out of owning a firearm" - That is the idea. I would like owning a gun to be expensive and out of reach for most people except for serious hobbyists and hunters.

[Crunchy Frog]

97. Alcohol is a Constitutional right, and they tax that. And that's pretty damn regressive.

Just because an activity is protected by the Constitution, doesn't mean that you won't have to spend money to engage in that activity. Nobody's giving away printing presses, or TV stations either.

The taxes should be used to pay medical expenses for victims of random gun violence. I would imagine poor people are especially hard hit by those regressive costs.

[Crunchy Frog]

101. 18th Amendment established alcohol prohibition.

21st Amendment repealed it.

[kcr]

98. Taxes aren't unconstitutional

Not sure why you think SCOTUS would kill it.

[AncientGeezer]

100. Taxes aren't .....but taxing a Consitutional right is

Are we going to charge money to vote? Florida is trying to make felons pay off their fines court cost before they can vote...is that cool?
Pay to not be searched without a warrant.
Have to spend money to write a Letter to the Editor...

SCOTUS would kill it ...and rightfully so

[JPK]

38. YES! this....

Make it so expensive if you want a gun, you have to pay and also carry mandatory liability insurance. If your gun is stolen because of your lack of security then you are liable for a huge fine and civil suit by the injured parties.

[cannabis_flower]

89. To your point..

and at the risk of someone saying we shouldn't joke about tragedy..

[malaise]

23. Holy Fuck - State Senator says 18 dead

and several injured

[eleny]

24. State Sen. Jose Rodriguez

His staffer told him that.

[malaise]

27. From you see ATF, FBI get all get there this quickly

We know this was and is a huge slaughter

[eleny]

28. It's a horror

[blogslut]

25. KTSM live stream

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https://www.ktsm.com/9-stream-ktsm/

Three suspects taken into custody according to the mayor

Scene still active

18 injured one fatality

UPDATE: Police press conference - One suspect in custody. Multiple fatalities.

UPDATE #2 KTSM claims police confirmed 18 people killed

UPDATE #3 Police spokesperson press conference - One shooter. Suspect in custody. Multiple fatalities, no official number

UPDATE #4 Sigh. Some asshole just called into the live broadcast, claiming to be a witness. People suck so much.

[cannabis_flower]

26. CNN is now reporting that Mayor's Chief of Staff says..

suspects are in custody.

[malaise]

31. Multiple scenes

not just the Walmart - one person in custody and multiple fatalities

[Takket]

30. we'll find out soon enough what the race of the persons are, which will dictate the media response

and whether or not we are supposed to "care".

[Generic Other]

32. Trump will use it to defend his wall

I can see him ramping up the fear among his base.

[maryellen99]

33. Even if it's a white person targeting Hispanics?

El Paso is majority Hispanic.

[Generic Other]

34. He would find a way

If this was a gang thing you can bet he'll milk it. Be ready.

He is very predictable.

[pwb]

49. Putins AK-47s

Again?

[MacDombles]

54. Sad

More people drooling to hear it was a xxxxx male or a republican than posting an offer of condolence. Just saying..





To anyone connected to the victims. May your loved ones energy release back into the world and seed love and compassion.

God help us all.

[irisblue]

56. Welcome to DU MacDombles

So who is 'drooling' at the idea of idea of a shooter that matches their stereotype

[ChubbyStar]

57. Nobody is drooling over ANYTHING

What a callous, cheap, crass thing to say.

[kcr]

71. Well then, I can see why you were attracted to this place

[Blue_true]

88. No one is drooling.

The two killers so far this week have been young, angry rightwing White men. One witness has indicated that the current shooter was White and one witness inside said that he was full of rage.

Maybe YOU should instead ask why is this happening.

Also, what God will help us, the one controlling the hands of the shooter, or is it some other God?

[Blue_true]

85. One woman who saw it start says a White man in black clothing. nt

[malaise]

37. 21 Year old male is the suspect

according to the Lt. Gov

[lunasun]

40. Manifesto possible but unconfirmed

The FBI is examining a manifesto that referenced the Christchurch shooting and indicated the “attack is a response to the
Hispanic invasion of Texas.” It was not immediately confirmed the manifesto belonged to the shooter
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/active-shooter-el-paso-walmart-cielo-vista/
Police scanner chatter indicated a suspect was in custody at about 12 p.m. Three people were in custody. A suspect was driving a dark grey vehicle. A weapon and vehicle were both recovered by police. Scanner chatter said two suspects were seen changing clothes. It was not immediately known if those people were involved

“El Paso Mayor saying “multiple fatalities” and eyewitness tells of shooter in parking lot, then walking into store, shooting,” Reporter Bruce St. James wrote on Twitter.

[OneGrassRoot]

41. Dang, Heavy.com...

has really staked out a place in this fucked up world. They seem to be the first ones to curate information in the face of tragedies, especially mass shootings.

I need to remember to check their site more often. Thanks for the post.

[Generic Other]

42. Oh god!

Not another one.

[Blue_true]

91. There will be more. That is certain.

And republicans will say "it's too early to talk about gun control. Thoughts and prayers".

[triron]

43. Trump caused.

[Corgigal]

70. Exactly.

Shooter put out his stupid manifesto on 8 chan, right before the first emergency call.

He also gave himself up by lying down with all his weapons placed on the ground.

[Blue_true]

92. That is rather clear. He has legitimized hatred of "others". nt

[demmiblue]

44. JJ MacNab: FWIW, I have the El Paso shooter's purported manifesto. It's ugly, but...

FWIW, I have the El Paso shooter's purported manifesto. It's ugly, but I'm not going to be posting it.

Link to tweet

[OneGrassRoot]

45. I'm torn about this...

I get not posting about the shooter -- name, specifics, etc.

But the contents of these manifestos feel important to share, to show people how so many others in their midst truly think.

[demmiblue]

48. I think it is important to make sure that it is legit before posting it.

If you go to the comments, you will see where is is rumored to come from.

People just need to be patient, imo. Too much false info gets spread before info is verified.

[OneGrassRoot]

72. Certainly. n/t

[WhiskeyGrinder]

50. If we don't know how others "truly think" by now, reading *another* manifesto isn't going to get us

there.

[OneGrassRoot]

73. I still think there are many with their heads in the sand...

about racism, white supremacy and all types of violent bigotry. They don't believe white supremacists exist beyond the KKK and David Duke.

You're right -- maybe they'll never get it.

[dalton99a]

51. It's boring white supremacist stuff

Summary: I'm a hero trying to save the white race - Don't blame Trump.

"I'm not going to surrender even if I run out of ammo" - wonder what happened to that one

[lunasun]

74. Not boring to a lot of us . Scary as hell how many copy cats now?

[superpatriotman]

46. From the 'manifesto' first paragraph

"Actually the Hispanic community was not my target before I read The Great Replacement. "

Take it for what it's worth.

[lunasun]

67. Mentions they will turn the TX state away from republicans and vote as democrats

The ultimate voter suppression used in past US history

[uponit7771]

55. More right wing terrorism underreported by the msm

[triron]

58. Didn't Trump recently give one of his hate-filled rallies there?

[uponit7771]

59. +1,

[Blue_true]

93. Yes. nt

[Indygram]

47. Looks like another young white guy

Link to tweet

[blogslut]

64. That tweet was deleted

There's a lot of deliberate effort from bots and assholes to insert misinformation into this incident. Even the poor folks at KTSM have been punked by it. That photo may not have been real. It may have been taken down for law enforcement reasons.

[triron]

66. Is twitter covering something up?

[blitzen]

52. Another "radicalized" Trump terroist kills in America n/t

[triron]

61. And Americans keep sleeping and legitimizing this monster.

Something has really dulled the public.

[malaise]

63. What's scary is the media pussyfooting over this slaughter

They know way more than they are telling the public - 21 year old white male with ahate manifesto

[triron]

68. You are probably spot on. Some will call us conspiracy theorists.

[pwb]

76. They report this shit with a smile. Like its nothing, normal, fuck all media and their

$$$$$

[Generic Other]

87. Has any mainstream news organization reported this yet?

I keep waiting to hear it stated.

[Ponietz]

53. 'Mass murderer' not 'active shooter'

‘Active shooter’ is a euphemism

[raccoon]

90. +1000. nt

[Groundhawg]

60. Thoughts and prayers for everyone involved.

[MoonRiver]

62. OK, but how about responsible gun control.

[MyNameGoesHere]

65. For the murderer also? That's odd.

Why would you send "Thoughts and prayers" to everyone involved? That's very strange.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

69. Seriously?

[Lars39]

79. That's done jack shit.

[Codeine]

80. I hope you're just being ironic

because thoughts and prayers are some useless-ass bullshit.

[pwb]

77. Trump will bail him out. He loves killers.

Putin, Un, Prince who the fuck?

[kentuck]

86. Somewhere in the back of the mind...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire


<snip>
The Reichstag fire (German: Reichstagsbrand, About this soundlisten (help·info)) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building, home of the German parliament in Berlin, on Monday 27 February 1933, precisely four weeks after Adolf Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany. Hitler's government stated that Marinus van der Lubbe, a Dutch council communist, was found near the building, and they attributed the fire to communist agitators in general—though a German court decided later that year that Van der Lubbe had acted alone, as he claimed. After the fire, the Reichstag Fire Decree was passed. The Nazi Party used the fire as a pretext that communists were plotting against the German government, and the event is considered pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany. The term "Reichstag fire" has come to refer to false flag actions facilitated by an authority to promote their own interests through popular approval of retribution or retraction of civil rights.

[DashOneBravo]

94. What a horrible thing

[malaise]

95. Three Mexicans were killed

ad several others injured