Voted for Obama and Trump bullshit.

[edhopper]

Obama got 65,915,000 votes in 2012, Hillary got 65,853,00 in 2016.

Romney got 60,915,000 and Trump 62,984,000

So we see Hilary got around the same amount of votes as Obama, but more people came out for Trump than Romney.

There are probably a handful of fools that voted for Obama and then Trump, but the numbers show that was a tine fraction and not what swung the election.

The narrative is pure bullshit that Trump somehow appealed to enough Obama voters to win.

My guess is he got an extra 2 million racist assholes who didn't like Romney and stayed home in 2012 because they certainly wouldn't have voted for the Black Guy. And the Russians, Comey and suppression kept just enough would be Clinton voters home.

The Obama/Trump voter may not be a complete myth, but it is a meaningless tale spun by a media that likes stories over facts.

[tazkcmo]

1. My guess

Voter purges, uncounted ballots, Russian vote invasion and GOPee malfeasance.

[edhopper]

5. All that

Not because Trump is a political genius.

[NewJeffCT]

11. It was the perfect shit storm

Russian interference
GOP voter suppression
more people voting Green and Libertarian

[Ninga]

2. Love this, you nailed it! I'm quoting you! Nt

[edhopper]

3. Thanks

[StarfishSaver]

4. That's my take

The fact that some people voted for Obama and then some people voted for Trump doesn't mean those are the same people.

And anyone who did vote for Obama and then Trump shouldn't be courted or catered to because they're too confused to be trusted any further than they can be thrown.

[edhopper]

6. I have seen these people several times on TV

they seem to seek them out as if it was a real phenomenon. Not just a rare purple unicorn.

[Trumpocalypse]

7. No, the facts prove you wrong

There are several studies that confirm it is not a myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Trump_voters

[Celerity]

9. +1

[Celerity]

8. sorry, but your are wrong, millions voted for Obama then voted for Rump

The Obama-Trump Voters Are Real. Here’s What They Think.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html

The story of the 2016 presidential election is simple. Donald J. Trump made huge gains among white voters without a college degree. His gains were large enough to cancel out considerable losses among well-educated white voters and a decade of demographic shifts.

There are questions and details still up for debate: whether Democrats can win back these voters, and how to think about and frame the decline in black turnout. But postelection surveys, pre-election surveys, voter file data and the actual results all support the main story: The voters who switched from President Obama to Mr. Trump were decisive.

Yet some still remain skeptical. A recent article in The Washington Post by Dana Milbank, “There’s No Such Thing as a Trump Democrat,” is the latest example. It argues, based on data from the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group, that there wasn’t an unusual defection of Democratic voters in 2016. The study found that 9.2 percent of Obama voters flipped to support Mr. Trump — a hair lower than the estimates from other surveys.

But the study also supports the conclusion about the pivotal nature of the Obama-Trump vote.

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Regretful Trump Voters: 'I Don’t Understand How It Could Be Worse'

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvjke5/regretful-trump-voters-i-dont-understand-how-it-could-be-worse

snip

Gayop, the son of Haitian immigrants, grew up in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn and is part of a key block of voters: people who cast ballots for Obama before going for Trump last year. According to the American National Election Study, 13 percent of voters who cast ballots for Trump also voted for for Obama in 2012, while only 4 percent of Hillary Clinton's support came from 2012 Mitt Romney voters. Obviously, many of these voters have views that do not neatly fit into the boxes of left and right or Democrat and Republican. Why else would someone support both the country's first black president man who sought to undermine him through the absurd birther conspiracy?

These swing voters have been analyzed extensively by journalists and pollsters after their presence in swing states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin likely swung the election. I interviewed many of them myself in November. One of the intriguing things about them is that they present an opportunity for Democrats: If Obama got their vote, potentially so could another liberal candidate. A survey from earlier this year found that Obama-Trump voters were more likely than other Trump supporters to regret their vote and disapprove of Trump.

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[Trumpocalypse]

10. +1 nt

[StarfishSaver]

12. If you are right, leave them over there with Trump

and focus on GOTVing people who aren't idiots, racist or both.

Because if you voted for Obama and then turned around and voted for Trump, you're too volatile and unpredictable to be trusted. And we don't need to waste time, effort, and resources trying to court people who'll then turn back into a Trump supporter when they go into the voting booth. Let's not do the GOP's GOTV for them.

[Celerity]

18. I am not arguing that pulling some back should be our main focus (although our frontrunner atm

is using that as a major (if not the main) selling point ie, 'I can win back the Midwest, partially winning back the white working class to a degree' <<<< paraphrasing) but we certainly can walk and chew gum at the same time. I see both expanding our base, turnout, and pulling in non-voters to be not at all exclusionary to also flipping some Obama to Rump switchers back.

There are literally many, many reasons we 'lost' in 2016 (Russia, Comey, voter suppression, poor campaigning at a geographical level, etc. etc. etc.), and running what was perceived by many to be a status quo candidate in what was indeed a change election was a piece to the puzzle. Ironically, the change has been so horrific that a 'return a pre-Rump to status quo' may just work this time, although I think it is playing with fire to simply offer a 'pre-Rump world' as the main draw. Not saying that is what is going on, but at deep current levels it could become a dominant meme, and that MAY potentially hurt with pulling in new voters. I think we can, with skilful framing, avoid that being allowed to become a component of the 2020 story.

That all said, Rump is so horrific that it may not matter, simply removing him will probably be enough of a draw, regardless of all the primary jostling. Time will tell. Where it WILL matter is once we have won back the POTUS, especially if we also hold the House and then,against the odds, win back the Senate. IF that all also happens, we had better hope we do, at that point, offer future-forward legislation and movement that addresses the fundamentally problematic underpinnings that currently plague our collective societal superstructure.

We will have an 'out card' if we only win the POTUS and hold the House, but do not take back the Senate, as Moscow Mitch will try and completely kneecap ALL Democratic legislation and all federal judiciary (including SCOTUS) appointments. That will set up the 2022 Senate elections as a truly massive battleground.

In 2022, none of our seats should be in true danger (CO (Bennet), NV (Cortez-Masto), and NH (Hassan) being the only potential non-locks)

There is one wild card. Arizona, as the 2020 winner (McSally v Mark Kelly) has to run again. That seat is crazy. It potentially could, in only 4 years and 5 months, have FIVE different people in it between August 25, 2018 (McCain's death) and 2022 (technically Jan 3rd, 2023.) McCain, Kyl, McSally, and then potentially Kelly and then it may (please NO! if Kelly wins in 2020) flip back in 2022.

The Rethugs will have to defend

FL (Rubio)
GA (it may be Abrams running if she doesn't run this time and is not chosen as VP, unless she tries again for Governor)
IN (Todd Young, which may be a reach, that state has turned so damn red, grrr)
IA (Grassley would be 95 at terms end if he runs and wins again!)
MO (Roy Blunt)
NC (Open, as Burr is retiring)
OH (Portman, a real reach)
PA (Toomey, this asshole needs to finally go!)
WI (Johnson, another asshole who should be flushed down the shitter)

possibly Arizona (see above)

[former9thward]

13. Its not a "meaningless tale"

It is true. There were plenty of Republicans who voted for Clinton because they were "never Trumpers". The Obama-Trump voters may not have been in the tens of millions but were enough to swing the swing states.

[uponit7771]

14. K&R, Technically the 3rd parties waaaaaaaaaaay over performed in Red States with Voter Suppresion

[zaj]

15. You need to look at the data in states that mattered

No one cares about running up the score in California or New York.

[Hortensis]

16. Irrelevant. EVERY individual who did not vote against Republicans

helped turn this nation over to what they've become.

That goes for people of all skin colors and backgrounds. Skin color is irrelevant. Faction identification is irrelevant. What other people did or did not do is no excuse at all. Nor do any of the other excuses the guilty feed themselves undo what they've done. All voters and able nonvoters are equally guilty.

(Btw, just for general info, black male turnout in Georgia for Stacey Abrams was significantly lower than black female and significantly lower than for Obama. Considering that 1/3 Georgia's electorate is AA, that added up to a good number of votes not cast against fascistic Brian Kemp which, again, helped the White Male Supremacy Party steal that election too.)

[radius777]

17. Obama and Trump were both media sensations

Obama and Trump are political opposites, but what they have in common is media excitement, and that attracts a certain type voter who likes to get on the excitement bandwagon.

2012 is also a world away from 2016 - there were many racial/police incidents during time, more people on social media stewing in RW and Russian propaganda - whereby many whites (including conservative white Dems who may've voted for Obama) drifted in a racist/xenophobic direction that Trump capitalized on.

[Bradical79]

19. They're real, but healthcare is a good message for them

From the study link posted further up thread:

Data from the CCES indicate that 75% of Obama-Trump voters supported repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.[3]

Unfortunately, they are also mostly anti-establishment social conservatives (aka bigots). Kind of a mixed bag. We really need a 24/7 assault on social issues after elections, trying to persuade people rather than cater to them.

Also need to find a way to diversify and revitalize the rural areas of our country without further wrecking the enviroment. I remember Sanders issued a plan, though I don't recall the details. Having such massive ammounts of U.S. land controlled by racist white people while we overcrowding cities isn't good.

[Johonny]

20. It's exactly what the Russian hacking was supposed to do

They targeted people that were likely to like their narrative, but were generally non-voters. At the same time they targeted people likely to like the Jill Stein narrative and target them with anti-Hillary.

If you add the GOP lead voter suppression in key states that suppressed the turn out and you get closer to the truth.