Montana man thought he was acting on President's orders

[struggle4progress]

... Curt Brockway, 39, was released Monday, but that release comes with a list of the following conditions: He is required to wear a GPS, he cannot have any contact with the victim, the victim's' family or witnesses; and he can only leave his parents' home for work, doctor appointments and court appearances.

The mother of the victim said her son is traumatized and is in recovery. The boy was airlifted to a hospital with a concussion and a fractured skull after the attack.

The attorney for Brockway said Wednesday his client is a U.S. Army veteran who believed he was acting on an order from President Donald Trump ...

https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Attorney-Montana-man-thought-he-was-acting-on-Trumps-orders-when-he-assaulted-13-year-old-during-national-anthem-527758831.html

America should do more to keep mentally-ill people from hearing Trump

[Cartaphelius]

1. Thought?

It seems that the very last thing involved in his actions was "thought".

[IADEMO2004]

2. Tattoo NO GUNS EVER on his forehead.

Brain damage or not this person needs supervision. Walking bomb.

[Cartaphelius]

33. I'd stick with a tattoo

that said "Dain Bramaged"

[LiberalFighter]

3. Living with his parents?

[Roland99]

4. Yeah. Saw that too. Economically anxious apparently

[Caliman73]

37. He suffered Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI).

Depending on the area and severity of the damage, that can mean a loss of the ability to function successfully in society. In my line of work I deal with aging related disorders, mental health issues, and TBI. In my opinion, TBI is one of the harder issues to deal with because medications don't really do anything to abate symptoms. You can go through personality changes, impulse control problems, anger management and executive functioning problems, depression, etc... There are also not very many resources out there for people with TBI. I had a guy I was working with who I was trying to find a program for with TBI and substance abuse, the Substance abuse programs would not touch him because of the TBI and the TBI places would not take him because of the SA and lack of funding.

Not excusing what he did but saying that TBI can be debilitating.

[pwb]

5. Veterans don't take orders from anybody.

Trump is cic of the military only. not civilians not veterans. Another t v station reporting lies.

[stillcool]

6. what's the lie?

he "thought" he was acting under Trump's orders?

[pwb]

7. repeating the attorneys lie.

.

[USALiberal]

10. So you think the lawyers are lying, but have no proof? Nt

[pwb]

12. The proof is a veteran does not take orders.

Tone it down with your accusations.

[USALiberal]

13. You have no idea how he reacted. Nt

[pwb]

15. yawn

[USALiberal]

17. This did not go well for you! Nt

[pwb]

19. I am happy. I am a vet. I know. Your guessing.

[USALiberal]

20. Which has nothing to do with how the man reacted. Nt

[stillcool]

16. if the guy had said...

that he was following orders from his dog, could that be reported?

[USALiberal]

18. Apparently vets do not take orders from dogs. Nt

[stillcool]

23. ah...the devil made him do it!

[Mariana]

8. What lie did they report?

The attorney for Brockway said Wednesday his client is a U.S. Army veteran who believed he was acting on an order from President Donald Trump ...

Brockway appears to be delusional. Why would you expect his beliefs to jibe with reality?

[USALiberal]

9. Lie? How do you know that? Making stuff up? Nt

[pwb]

11. Read my post . Veterans don't take orders.You do know what a veteran is right

A person who served in the military and was discharge.

[Caliman73]

24. Do you understand that military people aren't the only people who understand what "orders" are?

Sounds like you may be taking things literally. I am sure that most if not all people on DU understand that Veterans are discharged from service and are no longer in the chain of command. They are not active duty, nor are they reserve. They are not obligated to take orders from anyone within the military structure including the President.

Now, do you understand that "taking orders" is a phrase that many people know and experience outside of the military. My boss tells me to complete an assignment, that means my boss "gave me an order".

Now, specifically, there is a problem for people with psychiatric disorders (I am making an assumption that the perpetrator has some kind of psychiatric problem) where they misinterpret information either sensory (command hallucinations) or in their thought process (delusions). It is possible for people with psychotic symptoms to develop delusions or to experience command hallucination. I have heard many people report hearing voices from the television telling them to do things. I have also worked with people who develop elaborate delusional systems. I had a client who believed that a hacker from Facebook, got into all of their electronics from cell phones, the electrical outlets, cable TV, everything. The person was absolutely convinced and terrorized.

So, basically, people are complicated and may have different experiences, some of which do not track well to the shared experience that most of us agree upon and call reality.

You could be absolutely right and he may be lying to save his skin. However, he may also be experiencing psychiatric problems and acted upon faulty thought processes for which he needs to be treated.

[pwb]

27. The article said he was a U S army veteran?

The lawyers defense is he thought he was taking orders from trump. Again Veterans after discharge do not take orders from trump. Thanks for the write up but i know what i mean and so do all veterans.

[Cartoonist]

28. I bet he takes orders from his mommy

You are not a spokesperson for all veterans.

[stopdiggin]

30. what you apparently mean

is that you read the post .. and came away with almost no perception of what the discussion was about. but thanks.

[pwb]

31. Wow you nailed me. not

.

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. We're in a really bad place when the "Trump made me do it" defense is a thing.

Goes without saying, I know, but be prepared for more of this.

[Caliman73]

25. That isn't a defense. Not a good one at least.

How did that work out for "The Family"? They all got long prison terms. The defense will likely be that the man has a psychiatric disorders and was not fully in control of his thought processes. He already has a 10 year suspended sentence hanging over his head so it will likely not be too successful either.

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. I am in no way suggesting legitimacy.

Just that assholes will float that balloon to see how high it rises.

[Caliman73]

34. They've always done that.

Remember Hinkley shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster. It won't rise very far. I mean Trump is definitely contributing to the climate that allows idiots like this to act out their fantasies or delusions. There should be some responsibility on Trump's part, but we know that will never happen legally. Similarly, none of these guys will be cleared or have their crimes diminished for claiming they were "following orders".

[Pacifist Patriot]

35. Of course they won't.

Maybe I should have included an eye rolling emoji in my post?

[Caliman73]

36. No need. We aren't arguing.

Just fleshing out the topic.

[Pacifist Patriot]

41. Thanks. I was starting to get confused.

I thought we were essentially saying the same thing.

[MineralMan]

21. He's clearly a man with problems with emotional control and anger control.

He's been in trouble over that before. But, a 13-year-old kid? That goes way over the line. A violent assault for failing to remove a hat? Shocking lapse of judgment.

[Caliman73]

40. Traumatic Brain Injury.

If the TBI was to the frontal cortex then "Shocking lapse of judgement" would be exactly the case. He may have suffered a serious TBI which impairs impulse control and emotional regulation.

The article said that he went "completed neurological and psychological therapy and takes medications". I am not sure what "neurological therapy" is, I know that depending on the severity and area of damage, traditional psychotherapy is not going to have a significant effect, and I am not sure which medications other than major tranquilizers, would work for TBI (and they'd likely leave him zoned out to have a therapeutic effect).

[barbtries]

22. i don't believe it.

it's a defense, and it's a weak one. apparently there is lots of evidence and witnesses to what the guy did.

[Joe941]

26. Did they take his guns away?

[uponit7771]

38. +1

[lunasun]

29. Oh ok did trump tell him to be violent the other times ????

Brockway please this is lame with your history
try again asshole

Brockway, who is charged with felony assault on a minor, is a registered violent offender after being convicted of a 2010 charge of assault with a weapon

[MustLoveBeagles]

39. In a just world this asshole would still be in jail