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(10,252 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)Reality ruined her vacation.
skylucy
(3,739 posts)dalton99a
(81,543 posts)peggysue2
(10,836 posts)The Gone with the Wind version of plantation life, Scarlett O' Hara and mint juleps.
History can be so-o-o disappointing.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)From culinary historian Michael W. Twitty. Kinda says it all..
[link:https://afroculinaria.com/2019/08/09/dear-disgruntled-white-plantation-visitors-sit-down/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1NrPR9jOGTx-DibDAHskzuVUsNhcfx7SZ6ntkms_dFRRU0mvHgoiN6qz8|
and thanks for posting
kp
FM123
(10,054 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)hunter
(38,322 posts)I recommend this essay, and the book.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)makes me wonder...if it weren't for slavery who would we, as a country be?
PunkinPi
(4,875 posts)malaise
(269,103 posts)A truly appropriate and magnificent response
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Thank you for posting
CrispyQ
(36,487 posts)The most valuable commodity in Antebellum America during the years of exponential growth was not wheat, corn, tobacco, rice or even cotton. The most important commodity of the mid 19th century in America, was the Black child, and behind the children, the body of the Black woman.
BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts)This was powerful and an amazing read. I agree that this could have been a thread all its own. Articulate , well said and humbling to me.
Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)Thanks for sharing this.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Townsends is a YouTube channel focused on exploring the 18th Century lifestyle for people interested in "living history": Mostly cooking, but other things from the era too.
Michael Twitty was on in 2017 about barbecue and its origins as enslaved Africans mixed their own cooking traditions with Native American and European styles and ingredients, all over a period-accurate (within limitations) barbecue session.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)and human being. Im a huge fan, but hadnt seen this. Thanks for posting!
JHB
(37,161 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)still Americans so ignorant of its history.
unblock
(52,277 posts)Yet they seem somehow strongly drawn to the white, slaveowning, blissfully ignorant happy side of it.
Not racist? Really, it's pretty damn racist to go to a place built and farmed and repaired and cleaned by salves and where the slaveowners were entertained and fed and raised by slaves and to then take offense at the perspective of those slaves.
Hey, why not go to a concentration camp and complain about how they talk too much about Jews suffering and getting killed and all that, I mean, why not just focus on the perspective of the nazis, right?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)"None of my ancestors owned slaves". What they fail to understand is that it didn't matter that their ancestors didn't own slaves, their being White or being able to pass for White gave them enormous advantages during slavery and through to this very day.
unblock
(52,277 posts)Some of my family were even slaves in the concentration camps.
And yet I can't deny that many things are just plain easier for me here and now due to my skin color.
But yeah, plenty of white people refuse to take any ownership or recognize that they've reaped rewards from the system.
jcgoldie
(11,635 posts)...not about how the entire way of life was based on the subjugation of black people!
struggle4progress
(118,319 posts)albacore
(2,399 posts)struggle4progress
(118,319 posts)Sugarcoated
(7,726 posts)albacore
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sinkingfeeling
(51,468 posts)has ever visited the Nazi concentration camps in Poland or Germany.
Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)Where they tell you how the slaves on the plantations were treated like family??
Why would anyone be offended by learning about the horrors of slavery while touring a freaking plantation? That's kinda part of the package...you're not just touring some pretty house!
tblue37
(65,457 posts)jmbar2
(4,902 posts)I think you'd be mightily disappointed.
BamaRefugee
(3,484 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)while touring Dachau?
debsy
(530 posts)tone deaf doesn't even come close to describing the lack of sympathy and sense of entitlement. STFU you spoiled-rotten brat.
Quixote1818
(28,955 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)the best is I don't know of any other country which fought a civil war to free slaves.
The worst is many (but not all) US born whites think they are somehow superior.
magicarpet
(14,157 posts)... pecan pies. We don't care to hear about the mistreatment and the plight of the black southern slaves.
We came to learn the history of the beautiful southern plantations, not to hear about human suffering while on our vacation holiday.
LakeArenal
(28,829 posts)Who meticulously stitched those petticoats.
Or built those beautiful plantations.
Eff them all.
Sarcasm thingie.
SharonAnn
(13,777 posts)Without that, they wouldnt be so grand.
gibraltar72
(7,508 posts)skypilot
(8,854 posts)...from one of those Russian troll farms trying to stir up shit. Either that or The Onion.
LakeArenal
(28,829 posts)So taking the tour of Auschwitz,should we focus on the economy and luxury Arians experienced at that time?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,868 posts)I'd visit. And yeah, my ancestors came to this country long after the Civil War, so I have no slave-owner personal ancestors. But the entire history of this country is also my history.
blaze
(6,367 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,868 posts)raging moderate
(4,307 posts)This plantation tour sounds great! Where is it?
marlakay
(11,480 posts)I am in Ireland for the summer and up north visited the Famine Village. They didn't hold any punches about how people starved while England demanded their last bit of food as tax and when they didn't pay burnt their houses down.
Then many died on way to America.
I learned a lot I never did in school. About the troubles.
That lady is why we have people like Trump in office. They want to live their happy lives and pretend nothing is wrong.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)and was really upset that they ruined my vacation by constantly droning on and on about how the Jews were slaughtered there. I came to admire the pretty architecture and not have my beautiful mind ruined by such unpleasantness.
Celerity
(43,461 posts)https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g54171-d8036493-r667047914-McLeod_Plantation_Historic_Site-Charleston_South_Carolina.html
gatormotherof2
TripAdvisor member since 2010
Woman from Washington DC, District of Columbia
Review of McLeod Plantation Historic Site
Reviewed April 16, 2019 via mobile
A government run and operated facility w/a disturbing political tone/delivery/edge
I had not read any reviews prior to my visit. A mistake on my part and hopefully my last. I have found through previous disappointments that examination of those that place a poor rating though very well written review w/constructive criticism are more often than not the most reliable - I said most, not "All". In this case, there is a clear, common and very disturbing thread that exists amongst all of them and should therefore be noted. I echo most of the negative reviews w/compliments to several which have captured without fail the disturbing theme.
I was hoping for a gentle stroll through the historic grounds of McLeod Plantation w/an accurate depiction of the events and moreover the history of the McLeod family, their immigration to the colony of South Carolina, their economic contribution and all that encompassed the plantation inclusive of slave labor. My expectation was met with nothing short of 45 minutes of condescending lecturing by none other than a millennial guide aimed to stifle, embarrass and provide no room for furthering discussion or engagement with those of us present. Her historic reference had been clearly tainted by the new version of revisionist and popular history. "Enslavement" vs that of "slavery", "Emancipation" vs "escape" to name a few forms of a "nouveau" and more popularized view and terminology for a horrific treatment of humans that has unfortunately existed since the dawn of times. However one was made to feel that this plantation in particular was the epicenter of slavery - I felt for the young children present and the ensuing brainwashing. It became clear that there was a political edge, as noted in previous and less than stellar reviews, and such commentary should not be overlooked.
Asking those of us present to respond to "how the slaves might have felt" was like expecting a response from a newly diagnosed cancer patient. Utter nonsense.
Save your money! There are far better plantations to see and visit in the surrounding areas.Show less
Date of experience: April 2019
New Breed Leader
(625 posts)Celerity
(43,461 posts)New Breed Leader
(625 posts)Why? When will this country acknowledge it?
I'm so tired.