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Read and weep (Original Post) kpete Aug 2019 OP
Ignorance is bliss vlyons Aug 2019 #1
Poor dear. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2019 #2
Oh brother. skylucy Aug 2019 #3
"Why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" dalton99a Aug 2019 #4
Guess they were expecting . . . peggysue2 Aug 2019 #5
I posted this reply on another thread. luvs2sing Aug 2019 #6
WOW! kpete Aug 2019 #7
Wow. Every one should read this. FM123 Aug 2019 #9
Wonderful. WOW GeorgeGist Aug 2019 #10
Excellent! hunter Aug 2019 #12
thank you.. stillcool Aug 2019 #13
Excellent addition to the thread. nt PunkinPi Aug 2019 #15
This needs its own thread malaise Aug 2019 #16
Agreed, this is a fantastic piece. n/t MicaelS Aug 2019 #19
Powerful UpInArms Aug 2019 #17
That is worth the time to read. CrispyQ Aug 2019 #33
Wow indeed. BigOleDummy Aug 2019 #34
Wow. His book is on iTunes. Downloading it now Clash City Rocker Aug 2019 #40
Watch the man in action. A maestro of his multiple crafts. JHB Aug 2019 #55
He is an incredible talent.. luvs2sing Aug 2019 #56
Glad to share. More of his appearances on that channel... JHB Aug 2019 #57
It's hard to believe that there are ... GeorgeGist Aug 2019 #8
Citing their non-slaveowning ancestry to distance themselves from the ugly side of it unblock Aug 2019 #11
I hear that from a lot of Whites. Blue_true Aug 2019 #45
Indeed. I am white and all my ancestors came here after the civil war. unblock Aug 2019 #51
But I just wanted to hear about Rhett and Scarlett... jcgoldie Aug 2019 #14
"But aside from that, weren't you happier being a slave than stuck in Africa?" struggle4progress Aug 2019 #18
Thanks.. I just made a meme with that horrible pic and your comment. FB needs it. nt albacore Aug 2019 #22
+ struggle4progress Aug 2019 #46
Would you post it here? Sugarcoated Aug 2019 #58
Here... albacore Aug 2019 #59
Please, not all white people think like that. Wonder if this couple sinkingfeeling Aug 2019 #20
"I'll go back to Louisiana" Docreed2003 Aug 2019 #21
The very definition of white fragility. nt tblue37 Aug 2019 #23
Suggestion: Never take a tour of Auschwitz jmbar2 Aug 2019 #24
she says she "came to get this history", then whines about getting the history? BamaRefugee Aug 2019 #25
Would they whine if they were told of Jews randr Aug 2019 #26
so utterly disgusting... debsy Aug 2019 #27
Seriously, fuck people like this! I wish the twitter account had shown the name. nt Quixote1818 Aug 2019 #28
Reality has a liberal bias. muntrv Aug 2019 #29
As a "non-white" immigrant to USA, the best and worst things about USA are.. at140 Aug 2019 #30
Came to hear about the beautiful southern plantations, the beautiful petticoats, and the delicious.. magicarpet Aug 2019 #31
Eff those who grew the pecans and made the pies. LakeArenal Aug 2019 #37
Unfortunately, the history is that these plantations were based on slavery. SharonAnn Aug 2019 #43
She even has black friends. gibraltar72 Aug 2019 #32
This has GOT to be... skypilot Aug 2019 #35
So nice. Germans were as bad. But. 🤷🏼‍♀️ LakeArenal Aug 2019 #36
Where is this plantation? PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #38
Whitney Plantation in Louisiana (From the link in REPLY #6) nt blaze Aug 2019 #42
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2019 #53
; raging moderate Aug 2019 #39
People need to hear the cold hard truth marlakay Aug 2019 #41
I went to Aushwitz on my vacation Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #44
here is another I just randomly found on TA, it reeks of white fragility Celerity Aug 2019 #47
gatormotherof2 can go f** herself New Breed Leader Aug 2019 #49
+10000 Celerity Aug 2019 #54
This country refuses to acknowledge black suffering. New Breed Leader Aug 2019 #48
What on earth does slavery have to do with plantation history. eShirl Aug 2019 #50
Bless her heart! mfcorey1 Aug 2019 #52

peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
5. Guess they were expecting . . .
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 12:37 PM
Aug 2019

The Gone with the Wind version of plantation life, Scarlett O' Hara and mint juleps.

History can be so-o-o disappointing.

CrispyQ

(36,487 posts)
33. That is worth the time to read.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:18 PM
Aug 2019
The most valuable “commodity” in Antebellum America during the years of exponential growth was not wheat, corn, tobacco, rice or even cotton. The most important commodity of the mid 19th century in America, was the Black child, and behind the children, the body of the Black woman.



BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
34. Wow indeed.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:21 PM
Aug 2019

This was powerful and an amazing read. I agree that this could have been a thread all its own. Articulate , well said and humbling to me.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
55. Watch the man in action. A maestro of his multiple crafts.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 08:29 PM
Aug 2019

Townsends is a YouTube channel focused on exploring the 18th Century lifestyle for people interested in "living history": Mostly cooking, but other things from the era too.

Michael Twitty was on in 2017 about barbecue and its origins as enslaved Africans mixed their own cooking traditions with Native American and European styles and ingredients, all over a period-accurate (within limitations) barbecue session.

luvs2sing

(2,220 posts)
56. He is an incredible talent..
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 08:33 PM
Aug 2019

and human being. I’m a huge fan, but hadn’t seen this. Thanks for posting!

unblock

(52,277 posts)
11. Citing their non-slaveowning ancestry to distance themselves from the ugly side of it
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 01:08 PM
Aug 2019

Yet they seem somehow strongly drawn to the white, slaveowning, blissfully ignorant happy side of it.

Not racist? Really, it's pretty damn racist to go to a place built and farmed and repaired and cleaned by salves and where the slaveowners were entertained and fed and raised by slaves and to then take offense at the perspective of those slaves.

Hey, why not go to a concentration camp and complain about how they talk too much about Jews suffering and getting killed and all that, I mean, why not just focus on the perspective of the nazis, right?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
45. I hear that from a lot of Whites.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 05:31 PM
Aug 2019

"None of my ancestors owned slaves". What they fail to understand is that it didn't matter that their ancestors didn't own slaves, their being White or being able to pass for White gave them enormous advantages during slavery and through to this very day.

unblock

(52,277 posts)
51. Indeed. I am white and all my ancestors came here after the civil war.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 06:52 PM
Aug 2019

Some of my family were even slaves in the concentration camps.

And yet I can't deny that many things are just plain easier for me here and now due to my skin color.

But yeah, plenty of white people refuse to take any ownership or recognize that they've reaped rewards from the system.

jcgoldie

(11,635 posts)
14. But I just wanted to hear about Rhett and Scarlett...
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 02:03 PM
Aug 2019

...not about how the entire way of life was based on the subjugation of black people!

sinkingfeeling

(51,468 posts)
20. Please, not all white people think like that. Wonder if this couple
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 02:36 PM
Aug 2019

has ever visited the Nazi concentration camps in Poland or Germany.

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
21. "I'll go back to Louisiana"
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 02:39 PM
Aug 2019

Where they tell you how the slaves on the plantations were treated like family??

Why would anyone be offended by learning about the horrors of slavery while touring a freaking plantation? That's kinda part of the package...you're not just touring some pretty house!

debsy

(530 posts)
27. so utterly disgusting...
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:05 PM
Aug 2019

tone deaf doesn't even come close to describing the lack of sympathy and sense of entitlement. STFU you spoiled-rotten brat.

at140

(6,110 posts)
30. As a "non-white" immigrant to USA, the best and worst things about USA are..
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:13 PM
Aug 2019

the best is I don't know of any other country which fought a civil war to free slaves.

The worst is many (but not all) US born whites think they are somehow superior.

magicarpet

(14,157 posts)
31. Came to hear about the beautiful southern plantations, the beautiful petticoats, and the delicious..
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:16 PM
Aug 2019

... pecan pies. We don't care to hear about the mistreatment and the plight of the black southern slaves.

We came to learn the history of the beautiful southern plantations, not to hear about human suffering while on our vacation holiday.

LakeArenal

(28,829 posts)
37. Eff those who grew the pecans and made the pies.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:27 PM
Aug 2019

Who meticulously stitched those petticoats.
Or built those beautiful plantations.

Eff them all.

Sarcasm thingie.

SharonAnn

(13,777 posts)
43. Unfortunately, the history is that these plantations were based on slavery.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 04:29 PM
Aug 2019

Without that, they wouldn’t be so “grand”.

skypilot

(8,854 posts)
35. This has GOT to be...
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:21 PM
Aug 2019

...from one of those Russian troll farms trying to stir up shit. Either that or The Onion.

LakeArenal

(28,829 posts)
36. So nice. Germans were as bad. But. 🤷🏼‍♀️
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:24 PM
Aug 2019

So taking the tour of Auschwitz,should we focus on the economy and luxury Arians experienced at that time?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,868 posts)
38. Where is this plantation?
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:34 PM
Aug 2019

I'd visit. And yeah, my ancestors came to this country long after the Civil War, so I have no slave-owner personal ancestors. But the entire history of this country is also my history.

marlakay

(11,480 posts)
41. People need to hear the cold hard truth
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 03:57 PM
Aug 2019

I am in Ireland for the summer and up north visited the Famine Village. They didn't hold any punches about how people starved while England demanded their last bit of food as tax and when they didn't pay burnt their houses down.

Then many died on way to America.

I learned a lot I never did in school. About the troubles.

That lady is why we have people like Trump in office. They want to live their happy lives and pretend nothing is wrong.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
44. I went to Aushwitz on my vacation
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 05:19 PM
Aug 2019

and was really upset that they ruined my vacation by constantly droning on and on about how the Jews were slaughtered there. I came to admire the pretty architecture and not have my beautiful mind ruined by such unpleasantness.

Celerity

(43,461 posts)
47. here is another I just randomly found on TA, it reeks of white fragility
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 05:56 PM
Aug 2019


https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g54171-d8036493-r667047914-McLeod_Plantation_Historic_Site-Charleston_South_Carolina.html

gatormotherof2

TripAdvisor member since 2010
Woman from Washington DC, District of Columbia

Review of McLeod Plantation Historic Site

Reviewed April 16, 2019 via mobile

A government run and operated facility w/a disturbing political tone/delivery/edge

I had not read any reviews prior to my visit. A mistake on my part and hopefully my last. I have found through previous disappointments that examination of those that place a poor rating though very well written review w/constructive criticism are more often than not the most reliable - I said most, not "All". In this case, there is a clear, common and very disturbing thread that exists amongst all of them and should therefore be noted. I echo most of the negative reviews w/compliments to several which have captured without fail the disturbing theme.

I was hoping for a gentle stroll through the historic grounds of McLeod Plantation w/an accurate depiction of the events and moreover the history of the McLeod family, their immigration to the colony of South Carolina, their economic contribution and all that encompassed the plantation inclusive of slave labor. My expectation was met with nothing short of 45 minutes of condescending lecturing by none other than a millennial guide aimed to stifle, embarrass and provide no room for furthering discussion or engagement with those of us present. Her historic reference had been clearly tainted by the new version of revisionist and popular history. "Enslavement" vs that of "slavery", "Emancipation" vs "escape" to name a few forms of a "nouveau" and more popularized view and terminology for a horrific treatment of humans that has unfortunately existed since the dawn of times. However one was made to feel that this plantation in particular was the epicenter of slavery - I felt for the young children present and the ensuing brainwashing. It became clear that there was a political edge, as noted in previous and less than stellar reviews, and such commentary should not be overlooked.

Asking those of us present to respond to "how the slaves might have felt" was like expecting a response from a newly diagnosed cancer patient. Utter nonsense.

Save your money! There are far better plantations to see and visit in the surrounding areas.Show less
Date of experience: April 2019

New Breed Leader

(625 posts)
48. This country refuses to acknowledge black suffering.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 06:13 PM
Aug 2019

Why? When will this country acknowledge it?

I'm so tired.

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