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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAt least 2 different people approved taking Epstein off suicide watch only 6 days after an attempt.
The psychologist who was the suicide prevention coordinator -- and the Warden.
And when this happened, they moved him out of the suicide unit and back to the unit where he had first attempted suicide. Did they tell his attorneys about this move?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prison-experts-are-stunned-angry-jeffrey-epstein-was-taken-suicide-n1041121
But Epsteins status was changed sometime in the last two weeks for reasons that remain unknown, officials told NBC News. The decision would normally have to have been authorized by the jails suicide prevention program coordinator, who is ordinarily the institutions chief psychologist, and approved by the warden.
Once an inmate has been placed on watch, the watch may not be terminated, under any circumstance, without the program coordinator or designee performing a face-to-face evaluation, according to the federal Bureau of Prison official guidelines issued in 2007.
SunSeeker
(51,630 posts)brewens
(13,615 posts)stinks doesn't mean it was anybody murdering him.
A guy I went to school with asphyxiated himself in jail. He was out on parole after serving about 30 years of his adult life in prison. Gets out, gets a job, gets married, gets two DUI's within a couple weeks of each other and then kills himself. They do it if they can sometimes. Some of these elite types would kill themselves for just being ruined financially.
Goering evidently got a guard to retrieve a cyanide capsule from his personal effects to avoid being hanged. Can't say I blame him. Epstein should have been put in the position of having to make that call the first time if he didn't want to be behind bars for the rest of his life.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)the suicide watch on a guy who'd tried to kill himself 6 days earlier.
The JD regulations clearly set out the conditions for taking someone off suicide watch and I can't imagine how he met them. His life wasn't getting better -- he was looking at life imprisonment.
Just these two people had made that decision? WTF. Something smells . . . .
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)erronis
(15,324 posts)Or maybe they'll also be found fed to the alligators.
(Putin doesn't trust dump with stuff like polonium.)
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)1.Even before his first suspected suicide try last month, Jeffrey Epstein, by all accounts, the kind of inmate that should have been under the closest possible supervision.
2.Instead, Epstein was taken off suicide watch in the days before he took his own life, officials told NBC News, a decision that baffled former wardens and veterans of the federal prison system
3.Its too early to say what I think should happen, but if this did occur as we believe that it did, some staff are going to have some hard questions to answer, Im afraid, said Lindsay, who served as warden at the nearby Metropolitan Detention Center from 2007 to 2009. SOME STAFF will be blamed -
4.Former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein also weighed in. Detained pedophiles require special attention, he tweeted. Stopping people from harming themselves is difficult...PABLUM
5.Jack Donson, a former longtime federal Bureau of Prisons case manager, told NBC News that suicide watch in federal lockup "usually only lasts a few days to week" due to the amount of manpower the 24-hour surveillance entails. MORE BS
Folk's, will we ever know..
triron
(22,011 posts)Look at the photo. Does that indicate unconsciousness?
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)monmouth4
(9,709 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,939 posts)And the pervs at the top of the heap will skate. Again.
Buckeye Barney
(4 posts)I remember when Ariel Castro, the guy who abducted a few women and kept them captive in his home near Cleveland, was found with a belt around his neck shortly after being arrested. I new someone close to the situation who when I asked how could this happen, I was told, some people get the help they need. I shouldn't ask any more questions. So I didn't.
I am sure there are plenty of people who are sleeping very well tonight. What is sad is that they will continue to prey on the young and innocent because that is what they do, they are predators.
torius
(1,652 posts)Maybe he asked for some privacy so he could do his business...
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Forget the "someone killed Epstein..." conspiracies. This is where the truth lies. Epstein killed Epstein.
The deep suspicion has to be that Epstein paid someone on the outside to get the ban lifted. Now we just need to get the evidence before it is washed down the memory hole.
triron
(22,011 posts)What planet were the Warden and psychologist living on?