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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 08:02 PM Aug 2019

At least 2 different people approved taking Epstein off suicide watch only 6 days after an attempt.

The psychologist who was the suicide prevention coordinator -- and the Warden.

And when this happened, they moved him out of the suicide unit and back to the unit where he had first attempted suicide. Did they tell his attorneys about this move?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prison-experts-are-stunned-angry-jeffrey-epstein-was-taken-suicide-n1041121

But Epstein’s status was changed sometime in the last two weeks for reasons that remain unknown, officials told NBC News. The decision would normally have to have been authorized by the jail’s suicide prevention program coordinator, who is ordinarily the institution’s chief psychologist, and approved by the warden.

“Once an inmate has been placed on watch, the watch may not be terminated, under any circumstance, without the program coordinator or designee performing a face-to-face evaluation,” according to the federal Bureau of Prison official guidelines issued in 2007.

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brewens

(13,615 posts)
2. Maybe he pulled a Hermann Goering and called in one last favor? Just because something
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 08:13 PM
Aug 2019

stinks doesn't mean it was anybody murdering him.

A guy I went to school with asphyxiated himself in jail. He was out on parole after serving about 30 years of his adult life in prison. Gets out, gets a job, gets married, gets two DUI's within a couple weeks of each other and then kills himself. They do it if they can sometimes. Some of these elite types would kill themselves for just being ruined financially.

Goering evidently got a guard to retrieve a cyanide capsule from his personal effects to avoid being hanged. Can't say I blame him. Epstein should have been put in the position of having to make that call the first time if he didn't want to be behind bars for the rest of his life.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
4. I'm not suggesting they murdered him. But they effectively signed his death warrant when they ended
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 08:17 PM
Aug 2019

the suicide watch on a guy who'd tried to kill himself 6 days earlier.

The JD regulations clearly set out the conditions for taking someone off suicide watch and I can't imagine how he met them. His life wasn't getting better -- he was looking at life imprisonment.

erronis

(15,324 posts)
7. Silly. They'll be rewarded. Maybe a stay at Merdelargo and a golf lesson.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:13 PM
Aug 2019

Or maybe they'll also be found fed to the alligators.

(Putin doesn't trust dump with stuff like polonium.)

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
6. And the coverup begins..here is why i think that..
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 08:22 PM
Aug 2019

1.Even before his first suspected suicide try last month, Jeffrey Epstein, by all accounts, the kind of inmate that should have been under the closest possible supervision.

2.Instead, Epstein was taken off suicide watch in the days before he took his own life, officials told NBC News, a decision that baffled former wardens and veterans of the federal prison system

3.“It’s too early to say what I think should happen, but if this did occur as we believe that it did, some staff are going to have some hard questions to answer, I’m afraid,” said Lindsay, who served as warden at the nearby Metropolitan Detention Center from 2007 to 2009. SOME STAFF will be blamed -

4.Former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein also weighed in. “Detained pedophiles require special attention,” he tweeted. “Stopping people from harming themselves is difficult.”..PABLUM

5.Jack Donson, a former longtime federal Bureau of Prisons case manager, told NBC News that suicide watch in federal lockup "usually only lasts a few days to week" due to the amount of manpower the 24-hour surveillance entails. MORE BS

Folk's, will we ever know..

triron

(22,011 posts)
13. Why would Epstein's fists be clinched and his left forearm raised as he entered the hospital?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:04 PM
Aug 2019

Look at the photo. Does that indicate unconsciousness?

Kid Berwyn

(14,939 posts)
10. The old chalk it up to "Clerical Error" play
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:37 PM
Aug 2019

And the pervs at the top of the heap will skate. Again.

Buckeye Barney

(4 posts)
11. Ariel Castro
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 10:34 PM
Aug 2019

I remember when Ariel Castro, the guy who abducted a few women and kept them captive in his home near Cleveland, was found with a belt around his neck shortly after being arrested. I new someone close to the situation who when I asked how could this happen, I was told, some people get the help they need. I shouldn't ask any more questions. So I didn't.
I am sure there are plenty of people who are sleeping very well tonight. What is sad is that they will continue to prey on the young and innocent because that is what they do, they are predators.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
14. THIS is worth investigating
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:07 PM
Aug 2019

Forget the "someone killed Epstein..." conspiracies. This is where the truth lies. Epstein killed Epstein.

The deep suspicion has to be that Epstein paid someone on the outside to get the ban lifted. Now we just need to get the evidence before it is washed down the memory hole.

triron

(22,011 posts)
15. WTF!? Why in the world would such a high profile witness be taken off??
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:10 PM
Aug 2019

What planet were the Warden and psychologist living on?

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