What I think is really weird about the Twit?

[leftyladyfrommo]

He just doesn't care. Doesn't care about the environment. Doesn't care about people. Doesn't care about the country. Doesn't care about the people he hurts.

He does care about revenge. He really gets off on sadistic revenge.

How does someone just turn out empty?

[Vinca]

1. The guy is a stew of psychiatric disorders - all he cares about is himself.

[Marie Marie]

81. "The guy is a stew of psychiatric disorders"

Love it and so true.

[Ilsa]

2. He turned out "empty" because his parents

didn't show him love. They were probably very critical of him and didn't like him. He's an emotional black hole. Trauma like that becomes toxic and permanent, like what he is doing to immigrant children.

[PJMcK]

4. Who cares?

When you turn 21, your life is your responsibility.

I don't give a damn about Trump's upbringing.

I don't give a damn about his relationship with his parents.

Fuck him.

He's an idiot.

[Ilsa]

5. I don't either. The OP asked Why? nt

[Scarsdale]

9. I could not agree more.

He is an empty shell. The only person he cares about is himself. Maybe Iwanka, too, who knows. He is so full of himself, there is no room for anyone else. Plus, he is REPULSIVE in EVERY way. Of course, he is a perfect republican, the gop recognized that as soon as the rubles started flowing into their coffers. Unfortunately, he has spawned kids who share his lack of values. Take care of #1 is the tRump family motto.

[Ilsa]

25. I don't care either, but the OP asked "why?"

And tragically, his emotional state has wrought havoc on the rest of us. I was just attempting to explain why.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. 18. You can vote and kill in wars. But do not lower the voting age to 16. . . . nt

[True Blue American]

17. I agree!

There are many of us who did not have great childhoods. But that is no excuse for Trump or anyone else! A person is responsible for their own actions.

Trump has no understanding of anything except self gratification.

Did anyone see smiling faces behind Trump at the Truck plant?

They were angry because they had to stay past their 3 PM clock out time.

[NewJeffCT]

21. Your childhood had no effect on what you became as an adult?

some people overcome their difficulties and traumas, others do not. Donny obviously did not. And, even if you overcome the difficulties, it still shapes who you are as an adult.

[Doreen]

52. I was abused by my father in every way a

person can be abused and I chose not to be like him or any other abuser. It is a choice to continue or stop the cycle. I am extremely sure there are others just on this sight alone who have done the same as me. It IS a choice.

[JI7]

55. trump's father gave him millions and bailed him out

of his failures.

he was not abused.

[Doreen]

56. True, on the spoiled part.

I suspect there was other types of abuse and his father tried to buy his love. I doubt trump ever loved his father.....or anyone else. I must also admit that I truly believe that trump is just evil.

[JI7]

57. yeah, most people would have ended up in prison

but becsuse of the money and fame he was able to continue getting away with things.

[TryLogic]

60. It is not always money and fame. Whatever... it is extremely important that people get caught

and experience appropriate consequences when they do bad or illegal things. I think jails have many residents who thought they were to good to get caught, or something similar. They did worse and worse more serious crimes until they did get caught. Trump will most likely be in jail some day.

[MyOwnPeace]

77. I agree.........

and I'm sure that others on this site will concur.
We DO have choices.
Getting help is a good thing.
Our government should be one that helps, not crushes.

[whathehell]

78. I think the overriding point is: Don't put such such a person in public office

The rest is a matter for the psychiatrists.

[MyOwnPeace]

80. ABSOLUTELY!!!!

And what should we do with the number of people that ignored ALL of the warning signs and put such a person in the public office anyhow?
It was the "perfect storm:" - and he rode the tidal wave into the White House and we've been suffering since.
We need to be sure that this will not happen again.

GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!

[whathehell]

89. Yes, thank you..

[dawg day]

84. Yes... you chose to care

That takes strength and love, and you grew those yourself.
Trump has chosen to be cruel and unloving.

[OldBaldy1701E]

87. wow...

As a gay male, that last bit of your statement just made me shiver. Mainly because I have heard that same thing from those who would tell me my sexuality is a 'choice'. I guess being from a family with a long history of mental issues has nothing to do with my mental state either. I am glad things worked out for you, but they don't for everyone, and it isn't always just 'a choice' for it not to. (Side note, I also chose not to be like my father or mother. Didn't stop the breakdowns from happening.)

[Doreen]

88. I apologize if I offended you.

I did not mean to make it sound like having mental issues is a choice. I am saying it is a choice if you start harming people. Yes, I do have my mental issues from all of the crap I went through but I choose to work through it without hurting others.

I know people who have had a chance to get help and people who were not able to get help. The ones I know who have not been able to get help still choose to not abuse others.

I fully realize that I am lucky to have a good support system behind me to help me work through my issues while others do not. Working with the homeless opens your eyes to that.

I think it is absolute bullshit when people say that sexuality is a choice. It has nothing to do with being or not being abused or waking up one day and deciding what your sexuality is going to be. That's like telling me that being born with my disabilities was my choice or that I act like I have one because I want to get out of doing things. Yes, I have had the last one told to me.

[OldBaldy1701E]

93. Thank you but no apology necessary...

I re-read the post and decided that I had probably over-reacted to what you said. You are correct in that a person can choose not to hurt others. And, it is obvious that child in the WH chooses to behave the way he does and act the way he does. Also, I too have been told those same things about my issues. Of course, sometimes you have to remember that most people are about as health-savvy as that pasty blob in the Oval Office. What is the old saying, "If he is not bleeding from the ears, he is fine."? Hell, even now, with several major health problems that have basically destroyed my life, I get that crap. Mainly because my issues are not visible. After so many years of seeing and dealing with this lunacy, I sometimes wish my back would erupt out of my body, and fly over a crowd of people, spraying them with all my innards. Then, maybe... maybe... about 10% might believe me about what I go through each day. The same is regrettably true of the MAGAts... they won't see what a disaster they have wrought until it rips their doors open and rains horror all over them. And even then, some would prefer to be Nero than hero.

[Doreen]

95. Having unseen disabilities suck.

Not that I want them obvious but unseen disabilities have their own crutch to bare.

Sadly, most of his base do not realize that they are the ones he shot on 5th Avenue.

[rickyhall]

94. Narcissistic Sociopath drifting into Dementia IMHO

[llmart]

7. Spot on analysis.

A child isn't born a malignant narcissist.

[demigoddess]

69. look at how babies react to Pres. Obama. They all smile and are happy. Now, if a baby

looks at a cruel and hateful parent maybe they somehow decide to emulate that parent. Especially if that parent is almost the only person that child sees. Doesn't get out and see other parents and other children. My mother was a horror, but at an early age I spent a year with my aunt who was nice. I remember thinking as I was being returned to my family, these people are mean!

[pangaia]

19. ++++++++++

[PunkinPi]

27. Yep...here's an article from 2016

snip (bolding mine for emphasis):

From early childhood, Hurt wrote, Fred used to tell his boys “you are a killer … you are a king … you are a killer … you are a king…” As a result, he wrote, Donald came to believe that “he cannot be one without the other. As his father has pointed out over and over again, most people are weaklings. Only the strong survive. You have to be a killer if you want to be a king.”

At first Fred assumed that the king — and the heir to his business — would be his eldest son and namesake, Fred Jr., known as Freddy. But it became increasingly clear to everyone that Freddy was neither killer nor king. Instead, Blair wrote, he was a “sweet lightweight … loveable loser.” He tried his best, but his frantic scramble to please only seemed to infuriate his father. Mistakes — such as ordering new windows for a building when existing ones were still salvageable — earned him public tongue-lashings from his father. When Fred did something well, on the other hand, his sister Maryanne has said, his father pointedly said nothing at all.

Donald observed all this, and the message was to never be vulnerable. “He was the first Trump boy out there and I subconsciously watched his moves,” he said of his brother in a Playboy interview years later. “I saw people really taking advantage of Fred, and the lesson I learned was always to keep up my guard 100 percent.”

More here --> https://www.yahoo.com/news/killer-king-education-donald-trump-000000711.html

[ProfessorPlum]

51. Amazing that Donald wasn't the Fredo in that family

[Pacifist Patriot]

35. I think it's a perfect storm of a sociopathic brain and negligent parenting.

In other words, I think he'd still have an abnormal brain and a personality disorder. His parents just made it many times worse.

[Ilsa]

48. That's probably the best answer.

And yes, I have to concede there might be genetic psychopathy.

[TryLogic]

61. It sounds as if the parenting was much worse than negligent.

I believe his observation of the reported treatment of his older brother would have been a very powerful factor.

[Pacifist Patriot]

66. I'll admit I have not researched much about his upbringing at all.

So all I've heard are stories that indicate distance and disinterest from his parents - an absence of nurture and affirmation. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn they were all manner of abusive, not just absent of affection.

[smirkymonkey]

68. I completely agree with this. I have said it before, but I think he was born bad.

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Some kind of screwed up wiring and his parents' upbringing just created the perfect storm. Remember, he used to throw rocks at the baby next door in his playpen when he was a young boy. As far as I know, he was not physically abused, but he seems to have been born with a propensity toward cruelty or a sadistic streak.

I don't really care how "loved" he was or wasn't or if his daddy was mean to him, it's no excuse for his behavior as an adult. There are millions of people in the world who have had much worse childhoods than Donald Trump and almost all of them have turned out to be better people. He is just weak, self-absorbed and narcissistic in the extreme and that is why he is such a clusterfuck of horrible personality traits.

[JI7]

54. many people are abused and don't turn out as shitty as him

[Ilsa]

59. Yep. I think he must have been genetically primed to

be a cruel asshole.

[tclambert]

75. I suspect a Mexican maid once told him "NO" during his childhood.

Maybe for trying to touch her inappropriately. Of course, he had his daddy fire her, but he still holds a grudge against Mexicans to this day.

[FM123]

3. "How does someone just turn out empty?

His mother did not seem to know either.
That year, according to Vanity Fair, Mary Trump asked Ivana Trump, her soon-to-be-ex-daughter-in-law, a pointed question. “What kind of son have I created?”


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/03/mary-macleod-trump-donald-trump-mother-biography-mom-immigrant-scotland-215779

[llmart]

10. I'm not buying her "excuse".

Lot of bad parenting is conveniently "forgotten" once the child is an adult. I've seen people I'm very close to revise their parenting history even though they know I remember the awful things they did as a parent.

His mother didn't want to take any responsibility for how her kid turned out.

[Pepsidog]

6. He cares about only one thing, himself.

[jcgoldie]

8. Its called narcissism

There's one thing he cares about.

[pandr32]

12. He is a psychopath

Why people want to pretend he is all kinds of other things, but not quite a psychopath--I don't get it. Read Dr. Robert Hare's checklist and you will see for yourself that not only does he check off the boxes, but he scores highly. The sooner we come to terms with this the sooner we will stop asking the stupid "why does he" questions and stop saying things like "he has struck a new low."

[KY_EnviroGuy]

31. K&R. Agree and thanks for that reference.

Purely as an amateur, I've been saying that for a long time - particularly after watching his performances during the 2015/2016 campaign with his long list of lies and deceptions. Hardly anyone but a psychopath could have pulled that off, but only with the help of a number of others of his type. I suspect his father's nature and wealth (along with his youth spent in isolation) added the nasty layer of narcissism.

The frightening thing is that both the GOP and corporate world attract these characters and they have massive resources behind them, both financial power and brain power in the form of think tanks. At least Trump's psychopathy is in plain view, but it's the thousands of them that work behind the scenes and mostly in positions of power that we should worry about.

I'm now curious if Dr. Hare's book "Snakes in Suits" would be a good read or just a depressing review of the obvious. I see he has a second edition coming out this month.

KY.........

[pandr32]

63. I would read it

It would be a good read and the point of his books is to educate us about psychopathy because they walk among us and many gravitate to positions of opportunism and power. Not all of them become mass killers. Dr. Hare wants people to be able to understand how psychopaths can use charm and other skills to gain trust and advantage in order for us to identify them before we allow them to devastate our lives.

Dr. Hare distinguishes between sociopaths and psychopaths as being born, socialized, or both. In the case of Trump he was clearly born a psychopath and had the advantage of wealth and power. His parents did struggle with him, though, and we have evidence of early conduct disorder. Narcissism is often a characteristic of psychopaths and it seems too many got snagged over that obvious facet of Trump's personality even though he is much, much more than just a narcissist.

Too late for us with Trump, though. Like you said he revealed himself during the campaign and with the help of others (lots of snakes in suits) gained the office of POTUS. The extent of cheating, hacking, intimidation, coercion, and other methods of manipulation (including criminal) are still actively engaged even as we are learning about the extent of what the hell happened.

We need to cut these parasites away before the devastation they cause does us all in. This must be our number one concern, We can't accomplish anything else until we rid ourselves of the major blood-suckers.

[liberal N proud]

13. trump is the most extreme narcissists that ever was

Everything has to be about him or he will try to destroy it

[Timmygoat]

14. The thing about Trump that really riles me

The only way he speaks to reporters is to yell over the noise of the hellicopter, is this w2hat passes for a daily briefing?
I despise his voice, and his yelling makes me turn off the TV.

[FakeNoose]

22. That's Chump's strategy for ignoring unwanted questions

Did you ever notice when a reporter asks a question that he WANTS to answer, he yaks away for several minutes. When the same reporter (or another one) asks something he doesn't want to answer, he cups his hand on his ear and pretends he didn't hear it. With the helicopter in the background it's the perfect excuse. "Whoops, times up, gotta go!"

Chump will do anything to avoid answering direct questions from the media.

[TommyCelt]

72. Yup

Reagan pulled that shit too.

[CousinIT]

15. sociopaths and/or psychopaths can't empathy - have NO conscience.

In the former case, the behavior is taught/learned and in the latter it is inherited genetically. With Trump I suspect a bit of both, though only an fMRI of what there is of his "brain" would tell for sure.

In either case, he has NO conscience and cannot feel empathy.

He is mentally ill. His brain does not function normally. It's not fixable. It's pathological and permanent.

Many CxOs and Wall St financiers are psychopaths. Because they lack empathy or a conscience. They do WHATEVER it takes to make a buck or millions of them without an iota of remorse, empathy or conscience. This makes THEM "winners". This is the world Don the Con occupies.

Religious people just call it "evil".

[pangaia]

20. didn't know that psychopathy is inherited genetically.

thanks

[leftyladyfrommo]

24. But most CEOs know to keep their ugly side hidden.

Trump doesn't bother .

I don't think it bothers him one bit that people think he is despicable.

[Chakaconcarne]

16. he's satan.

[Blue Owl]

79. Beelzeblob

[bucolic_frolic]

18. Spoiled

He can never have enough. When he doesn't get what he wants, he turns to vengence. This could end in a very dark place of unknown dimensions.

[leftyladyfrommo]

33. In Buddhism these people are called hungry ghosts.

Constantly starving and unable to ever feel filled up.

[SharonAnn]

70. Great term for his "bottomless need for adulation".

[3catwoman3]

83. Hungry ghosts is a perfect description.

He is a bottomless blackhole of neediness.

The presidency of the US would be the ultimate prize/affirmation for pretty much anyone. Not him. Nothing is ever enough.

[uponit7771]

92. +1, I pray I'm never that empty anywhere in my life

[leftyladyfrommo]

23. I grew up with a narcissistic mother.

It was empty and lonely but it didn't destroy me. Any child of a narcissist is broken but that doesn't mean you can't figure it out and undo a lot if the damage.

I am a very broken person when it comes to relationships but I was able to fix a lot of the damage. Growing up with almost no affection does a lot of damage but I certainly am not anything like Trump.

He just blows my mind.

Don't under estimate him. He is not an idiot. He just doesn't care about anything. He has no curiosity at all.

[TryLogic]

64. Thank you for being a survivor. Survivors are my heros.

[Turbineguy]

26. He may yet get his revenge.

[So_Blue]

28. I remember reading this article before the election

in which Richard Branson depicts a lunch he had with 45.

http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-branson-on-meeting-donald-trump-2016-10

Branson said their encounter took place years ago, when Trump had invited him to a one-on-one lunch in his Manhattan apartment.

"Even before the starters arrived he began telling me about how he had asked a number of people for help after his latest bankruptcy and how five of them were unwilling to help," Branson wrote, although he didn't identify the five people.

"He told me he was going to spend the rest of his life destroying these five people."

Later in the article Branson describes a meeting he had with Hillary Clinton:

Branson then compared the interaction with a lunch he had with Hillary Clinton, during which the two discussed issues such as women's rights and education reform. Clinton was a "good listener" and "eloquent speaker," and offered a stark contrast to her Republican opponent, Branson wrote.

"As she understands well, the president of the United States needs to understand and be engaged with wider world issues, rather than be consumed by petty personal quarrels," he said.

As usual, we were warned.

[world wide wally]

29. All of the above

[DetlefK]

30. He doesn't even care enough about others to bother with speaking coherently.

To him, the world does not consist of other people he can communicate to. To him, the world is a canvas onto which he can project himself.

[rampartc]

32. don't blame his parents

1%ers do not raise their own children. little Donald probably was such a little reptile that fred couldn't pay anyone to pretend to like him. finally military school, the last resort for undisciplinable boys. Donald coulds not make it there either.

i'm going out on a limb here, but maybe trump had too much tv as a child. trump sees himself as the cute child star of a bad 50s satiation comedy. or even more likely, as the billy mummy character in that twilight zone episode ……….

[Heartstrings]

34. If only we could send him to the cornfield.......nt

[rampartc]

46. he is a very bad man.

[Demonaut]

36. his mushroom shaped dick, it does not allow for much introspection...none at all actually

[C_U_L8R]

37. The guy can't even see his toes... much less the rest of the world

He has no concept of the common good. Just gluttonous self-dealing and preening.

[42bambi]

38. Good question. Possibly people

without a soul operate without consciousness. Trump fits into that mindset.

[patphil]

39. I don't think we will ever know why, but Trump seems to be incapable of love.

Except for himself...totally self absorbed.

[dalton99a]

40. Putin gave us a good one - a Caligula

[marieo1]

41. He is not a leader, he is a taker!!

I really do not care what made him the ignoramus he is today - I just know I hate every single thing about him!! I can't even stand to look at him and change the channel if he comes on. I look at all of his supporters and I can't believe it - apparently, they are all just like him otherwise they would be as disgusted as we all are. It is sad and scary there are so many that are just like him. How can the rest of us survive them?

[Rabrrrrrr]

42. Why? His brain isn't wired right, and then his parents fucked up what was already fucked up

instead of trying to find a way to fix him.

But in a family of shitty morality and ethics, that's not surprising.

[UTUSN]

43. "Weird"? More like clinically criminal.

[TryLogic]

65. Clinically criminal is an interesting term, and concept. Sounds very accurate.

[TommyCelt]

44. He's a classic narcissist...

trump care about trump.

[FiveGoodMen]

45. He's the leader of a 100,000,000-strong pack

They ALL have those characteristics.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

47. The question is: How do we get this sick fuck out of office?

If he has done this much damage to the country -- both domestically and internationally -- in just two and a half years, what else can he destroy in the months or God forbid years that he remains in office?

I think we can agree that if he loses the 2020 election -- both popular vote and electoral college -- he's not going to go peacefully. Remember his constant repetition of "rigged election" during the 2016 campaign, and saying he'd only accept the results if he won? I predict that if loses he'll contest the result of the election in the courts, eventually ending up in the most politicized SCOTUS in history.

Another prediction: He will not debate the Democratic nominee. Ever.

[LanternWaste]

49. "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men."

~ Frederick Douglas ~

I don't think he was raised in a very kind environment, and I certainly don't think he will ever choose to engage in self-reflection to repair what was broken.

He is a man of greed, a man of self, and man of petulance... and I think he's completely satisfied with that being the apex of who he is and who he will be.

[Doc_Technical]

50. "Take my word, please beware

of a man that just don't give a care"

[redstatebluegirl]

53. A mental health researcher could write books on this wacko.

[Demovictory9]

73. dissertations will be written about his behavior

[BlueStater]

58. He's a sociopath and he's been that way his entire life.

His upbringing is part of the reason for this (constantly being bailed out of trouble by his father and never having to suffer any true consequences for his actions), but not all of it. He was like this even as a kid.

I once read an article about his childhood and how he behaved back then. One time, he and another group of boys tormented a younger boy by throwing rocks at him. Another thing he frequently did supposedly was he would claim something as a statement of fact and insist that it was true even after being provided evidence to the contrary. That TOTALLY sounds like how he is today 60 years later. His body has gotten older, wrinklier, and fatter, but, personality-wise, he's still the same person he was as a child.

[TryLogic]

67. Same as he was as a sick and damaged child.

[UCmeNdc]

62. Trump really is a sadist in his heart. His actions prove it.

[Maru Kitteh]

71. Revenge is about HIM. I can't understand why people don't get it.

HE is literally the ONLY THING. Not just the only thing that matters - he is THE ONLY THING. All else are props. Rocks. Objects.

[YOHABLO]

74. Remember the ''Bad Seed'' 1956, with Patty McCormack?

You remember the ending? We can only hope.

[democratisphere]

76. The f'er is a certifiable psychopath with absolutely no remorse

for anything horrendous and horrible that he does. This monster will also never change.

[SCVDem]

82. He calls it revenge, we call it justice!

The second the next president is sworn I want to see Donnie in cuffs!

If he would read, he would see that in the last chapter, justice prevails.

That's when we get OUR revenge!

[BigmanPigman]

85. Read this...it is very good and makes sense...

Profile of the Sociopath. It is a behavior disorder and is difficult to cure, even when the person who has wants to get help. The fucking moron does NOT want help...which is also part of the behavior disorder to start with.

https://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

[MustLoveBeagles]

90. That is trump to a t

Bookmarking

[BigmanPigman]

91. Yep, every word of it!

[Democat13]

86. A Human Stew

Frankly, I think that Trump is a human stew. By that, I mean that he is a sort of Frankenstein monster, created by the compilation of dysfunctional people who voted for him: the ignorant; the greedy; the bigoted; the self-righteous; the fanatical; the paranoid; etc. Thus, he is an empty shell that contains all the negativity of those groups, and he is unleashing all of their horror upon all of us.