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THE MOST IMPORTANT THING is to take back the senate!!! (Original Post) LAS14 Aug 2019 OP
right!! samnsara Aug 2019 #1
No Polybius Aug 2019 #2
Agreed. onenote Aug 2019 #18
Not slow the confirmation...don't confirm period...I want it all but Trump must go. that is my Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #38
Mitching Nasruddin Aug 2019 #21
But that's not who it will be Polybius Aug 2019 #23
I agree. nt. Andy823 Aug 2019 #39
Yes. As important as the presidency. Buckeyeblue Aug 2019 #3
Unfortunately zipplewrath Aug 2019 #4
Yes! That's why 2020 Senate so important. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #10
A little zipplewrath Aug 2019 #13
DC makes a big big difference. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #31
There is more than States that could be added standingtall Aug 2019 #41
DC will never be a state Falcata Aug 2019 #29
This is a rightwing talking point. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #30
Get back to me when either happens... Falcata Aug 2019 #42
I will agree that it is very important that we take the Senate TomSlick Aug 2019 #5
We need the country! world wide wally Aug 2019 #6
The country needs us, too. dchill Aug 2019 #7
I came to that very conclusion randr Aug 2019 #8
Yes! Then abolish the filibuster. sharedvalues Aug 2019 #9
Write a new amendment to abolish the Electoral College. BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #15
It will never get the necessary approval from the states. onenote Aug 2019 #19
None of those things will happen if we don't also win the white house. onenote Aug 2019 #17
If we have all of Congress we can do the same as what they did to... El Supremo Aug 2019 #11
He can use EO's with a friendly SCOTUS...no Trump must go. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #36
No. Holding the House and taking the Senate are two important things abqtommy Aug 2019 #12
You can't gerrymander a statewide senate race, so there's that. elocs Aug 2019 #14
But Wyoming and the Dakotas were made states to pack the Senate sharedvalues Aug 2019 #24
Yes! Removing Moscow Mitch bitterross Aug 2019 #16
Trump has a veto pen and the nuclear codes...there is nothing more important than getting him out. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #35
I disagree. KentuckyWoman Aug 2019 #20
Yes and yes. Both sharedvalues Aug 2019 #25
presidency, senate, keep the house, take back state houses Demovictory9 Aug 2019 #22
No. SCOTUS is more important. catbyte Aug 2019 #26
We can stop the GOP SCOTUS picks with the presidency but without the Senate, we get no picks of our Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #34
True, but if a Democrat is not president, there may be enough spineless Democrats in the Senate to catbyte Aug 2019 #37
More important than the White House? FBaggins Aug 2019 #27
I disagree jcgoldie Aug 2019 #28
My problem is FoxNewsSucks Aug 2019 #32
No, you have to win the white house and take the Senate... it is mathematically impossible to Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #33
Yes, this is extremely important, but the presidency is for our basic survival. lark Aug 2019 #40

onenote

(42,704 posts)
18. Agreed.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 11:45 PM
Aug 2019

While winning the Senate but not the presidency would allow us to slow the confirmation of more Trumpian judges, it won't allow us to do much else since Trump could veto most of our legislative agenda.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
38. Not slow the confirmation...don't confirm period...I want it all but Trump must go. that is my
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:52 AM
Aug 2019

priority. The Senate is a real long shot too.

Nasruddin

(754 posts)
21. Mitching
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 11:50 PM
Aug 2019

Have we learned nothing? The Senate majority leader has the president by the ... you fill in here. He turns the HoR into a useless talking shop. She controls who gets appointed to cabinet offices and the judiciary. No bill makes its way to the president unless the majority leader has allowed it to come to a vote.

A charismatic, publicity-seeking Senate majority leader would now be very dangerous. We need to fix this broken system but that's what's developed.

The majority leader lacks military and prosecutorial power, but those are (supposedly) limited in the president's hands anyway.

I'd kinda like to see Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren as majority leader. Could be fun.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
23. But that's not who it will be
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 12:04 AM
Aug 2019

If we win the Senate, it will most certainly be Majority Leader Schumer. Sure, he'll stall Trump judges, and pass some good bills with Pelosi, but Trump would veto them. Plus even if you have (let's say) President Biden and Mitch, no more awful executive orders and being the world's embarrassment.

So if I can have one and only one, I'd prefer the presidency.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
4. Unfortunately
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:50 PM
Aug 2019

30% of the population elects more than 50% of the senate. I'm not sure how achievable this is. Worse, by 2040 70% of the population is predicted to live in just 15 states. Which means that 70% of the senate will be elected by 30% of the population. That doesn't bode well for the "people" to take control of the senate.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
10. Yes! That's why 2020 Senate so important.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:28 PM
Aug 2019

Win the Senate in 2020
Make DC and PR states (if they want it); that helps a lot.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
13. A little
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:55 PM
Aug 2019

30% of the senate isn't going to change much by adding 2 states to the Union. It is the fatal flaw of the constitution. It is our doom.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
31. DC makes a big big difference.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:09 AM
Aug 2019

What I really want is to merge all the red states with few people admitted in the 1880s to pack the Senate. N and S Dakota were admitted as two states to pack the Senate.

On second thought, maybe we should do that with DC. Two states?!

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
41. There is more than States that could be added
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 11:05 AM
Aug 2019

There is the Virgin Islands,Guam,American Somoa and the Northern Mariana Islands. Add all of those territories in addition to Puerto Rico and it will make a huge difference in the Senate.

Falcata

(156 posts)
29. DC will never be a state
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 08:47 AM
Aug 2019

cuz that's the way it was set up. They didn't want the capital to be controlled by any state. As for PR they can't get enough turnout to decide one way or another.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
30. This is a rightwing talking point.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 09:06 AM
Aug 2019

You’re telling Democrats that it’s not possible to make DC a state and PR a state. That’s not only false, it’s what the right says because they’re afraid of making DC a state.

DC’s govt has answered your question.
And PR could do it now if they wanted.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
5. I will agree that it is very important that we take the Senate
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:59 PM
Aug 2019

It is almost as important as winning the presidency. If the Democrats control the House and Senate but not the presidency, the result is gridlock but with Trump continuing to alienate the world AND Trump will continue to appoint federal judges - and may be a SCOTUS justice. If a Democrat is President but the Repubs hold the Senate, the result is gridlock but we can rebuild respect in the world. While I suspect Moscow Mitch would refuse to confirm federal judges for four years, at least there would be no more Trump appointees.

Fortunately, we do not have to choose. We need to win both.

randr

(12,412 posts)
8. I came to that very conclusion
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:21 PM
Aug 2019

this past weekend.
We hold both houses and Trump, if by some miracle, wins, we broil him on a spot for 4 years.
When I saw that he has lost the Sturgis crowd, truckers, farmers, educated white guys, and women across demographics I realized we have him down. When you have em down it is time to start kicking.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
9. Yes! Then abolish the filibuster.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:27 PM
Aug 2019

Then pass real change:
Make DC a state
Confirm many judges
Reshape the courts
Wealth tax
Legislative fix for Cit U
Fix Fox and Limbaugh and rightwing propaganda

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
15. Write a new amendment to abolish the Electoral College.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 11:35 PM
Aug 2019

It is outdated and not appropriate for today's America. It can be done (prohibition is one example).

onenote

(42,704 posts)
17. None of those things will happen if we don't also win the white house.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 11:43 PM
Aug 2019

Merely winning the Senate won't give us the votes needed to override Trump's vetoes of that legislation.

And how do you propose to constitutionally "fix" Fox or fix CU legislatively?

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
11. If we have all of Congress we can do the same as what they did to...
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:30 PM
Aug 2019

Obama.

But think positive. We can have the Executive too.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
12. No. Holding the House and taking the Senate are two important things
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 09:54 PM
Aug 2019

but providing election security and a fair election is THE important thing!

elocs

(22,578 posts)
14. You can't gerrymander a statewide senate race, so there's that.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 10:12 PM
Aug 2019

This election is going to be about turnout and if the Left is not motivated to turn out and vote with no excuses in 2020, they never will.
Republicans tend to vote like it's their duty.
We need to get out and vote like the future of the country is at stake because it is.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
34. We can stop the GOP SCOTUS picks with the presidency but without the Senate, we get no picks of our
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:46 AM
Aug 2019

own confirmed. McConnell has made it so no party that does not hold both the presidency and the senate will get a justice.

catbyte

(34,393 posts)
37. True, but if a Democrat is not president, there may be enough spineless Democrats in the Senate to
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:52 AM
Aug 2019

confirm the nominee. They're both vital. It's difficult to choose. Both arguments are compelling.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
28. I disagree
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 08:23 AM
Aug 2019

I feel the presidency is most important provided we hold the House. But this is just an academic question. The Senate seems to be such a further reach at this point with Trump's perpetually low polling and the number of traditionally pink red states you'd have to win to take control of the senate... if we do get the senate that means we got a big blue wave election and Trump is toast anyway. I don't think the opposite is necessarily true... we can beat Trump just with a few thousand votes more in the upper midwest.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
32. My problem is
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:23 AM
Aug 2019

with so many "most important things", all being crucial, deciding which is truly the most important "most important thing".

It changes every day. Or every hour.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
33. No, you have to win the white house and take the Senate... it is mathematically impossible to
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:43 AM
Aug 2019

get veto proof Senate or even house.

lark

(23,102 posts)
40. Yes, this is extremely important, but the presidency is for our basic survival.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:54 AM
Aug 2019

We perish if we don't take back the presidency from russia.

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