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Trump's America brings out the racist, gun toting assholes (Original Post) nmgaucho Aug 2019 OP
Please tell me he was arrested. marble falls Aug 2019 #1
Apparently they got his license plate number....more info Historic NY Aug 2019 #2
He is a terrorist. nt SunSeeker Aug 2019 #3
No. He's just an asshole. Straw Man Aug 2019 #15
He appears armed, and is hurling racist slurs to intimidate people of color. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #17
He "appears armed"? That was not the report. Straw Man Aug 2019 #19
This is why open carry is an unbelievably stupid thing Downtown Hound Aug 2019 #4
PO employee: " I was standing my ground" uponit7771 Aug 2019 #10
He should have been arrested mauserk98 Aug 2019 #5
+1. It's 18 U.S.C. 930 dalton99a Aug 2019 #7
The reason he will not be arrested sarisataka Aug 2019 #11
Not sure where you're going with the exemptions. Straw Man Aug 2019 #14
The point in question is sarisataka Aug 2019 #16
OK, I've heard the same argument ... Straw Man Aug 2019 #18
Another Trump gun hick. Kingofalldems Aug 2019 #6
The Postal Inspectors don't mess around. He will be arrested GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #8
At least he's well dressed. kacekwl Aug 2019 #9
This sub-human, hate-filled display should END this asshole's ability to carry a deadly weapon. VOX Aug 2019 #12
Pretty sure that's a cellphone on his hip. Straw Man Aug 2019 #13
That racist terrorist should have been arrested rockfordfile Aug 2019 #20

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
17. He appears armed, and is hurling racist slurs to intimidate people of color.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:45 PM
Aug 2019

It is not clear what that thing on his hip is, but the report was he was armed. You weren't there.

If you want to downplay this as "just" assholery, that is your right, Straw Man, and I have the right to make my assessment.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
4. This is why open carry is an unbelievably stupid thing
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:35 PM
Aug 2019

Look at what happens when we allow people to openly carry guns. Militia protecting terrorists in Charlottesville. Militia in Oregon threatening state representatives. Racist assholes in the post office being abusive.

An armed society is not a polite society. It's a recipe for fascism, racism, crime, and tyranny.

mauserk98

(8 posts)
5. He should have been arrested
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:26 PM
Aug 2019

It's against the law to carry a firearm into a post office. It is posted inside.

dalton99a

(81,492 posts)
7. +1. It's 18 U.S.C. 930
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:44 PM
Aug 2019
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
18 U.S. Code § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
...
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
11. The reason he will not be arrested
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 05:10 PM
Aug 2019

is the subsection (d) in the law you cited.

It is at odds with the posted notice of no firearms may be carried, yet I am not aware of anyone ever having been arrested for ignoring the posted notice. I believe that is due to the subsection (d) exception to prohibition on carry.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
14. Not sure where you're going with the exemptions.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:30 AM
Aug 2019
(d)Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

--https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

Subsection (d)(1) is for law enforcement; (d)(2) is for military or other armed Feds; (d)(3) refers to hunting on Federal land. Are you suggesting that any one of those applies here? On what evidence?

sarisataka

(18,655 posts)
16. The point in question is
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:41 PM
Aug 2019

Subsection (d) 3

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. 


I have seen the argument put forth that legal carry falls under "other lawful purpose" and is an exception to the prohibition on firearms in a Post Office.

That said, I am not aware of any court rulings on the issue. People I know who carry leave their firearms outside when doing business at the Post Office. No one wants to be the test case.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
18. OK, I've heard the same argument ...
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:19 PM
Aug 2019

... about "lawful purposes," but as you've said, no one wants to be the test case. It does seem somewhat illogical to create a prohibition that only applies to something that is already illegal, i.e. carrying for an "unlawful" purpose. The fact that hunting is specifically listed seems to suggest that this exemption was intended for Federal wilderness lands and not the Post Office.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. The Postal Inspectors don't mess around. He will be arrested
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 03:09 PM
Aug 2019

And hopefully convicted of the felony he committed.

And then will no longer legally be able to own a gun!

Not only racist but dumb as a box of rocks.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
12. This sub-human, hate-filled display should END this asshole's ability to carry a deadly weapon.
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 06:32 PM
Aug 2019

It won’t, of course. But WTF ever happened to common fucking sense? Why is this clearly unbalanced individual granted the “right” to carry a death-dealing weapon IN PUBLIC, where he will have repeated encounters with others who will enrage his crazed redneck “sensibilities”?

I read where this cretin had an earlier, similar altercation. He’s going to keep doing this. At some point, simply because it’s there, that weapon will be used when he hits peak rage. Then Republicans will pivot to a “mental illness problem, rather than a gun problem.”

But here’s the thing: guns and crazy go together like Velcro and loose thread. They attract one another. The public deserves UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS at the very least.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
13. Pretty sure that's a cellphone on his hip.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:25 AM
Aug 2019

When he turns at 0:14, you can see that it's uniformly square. If that's a handgun grip, it's the widest one I've ever seen.

The Post Office is one place that's absolutely off limits for carry. Everyone knows it, and they're all well posted. The man is an abusive, racist asshole, but he's not armed -- at least not openly.

The news link in Post #2 makes no mention of a weapon. Apparently none of the eyewitnesses saw one. I'd trust their perceptions more than I'd trust what random people think they see on an online video.

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